Best Gayborhoods in USA? around the world?

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  1. matt121matt121

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    What are some of the best cities/gayborhoods, in the United States and around the world?

    A little about me I'm 24, currently looking for a new job so thats not an issue, and I want to relocate to a place where I won't feel like an outsider anymore.

    What I mean by outsider is that for my entire live except when I was away at school, and studying abroad, I've fell totally out of place living in a Midwestern suburb of a larger city (Indianapolis), that is pretty conservative, and doesn't have a very open/accepting general character.

    It would be great to find a place that has gay young adults that are not all about bars and sex, and where there are some social groups, sports clubs, etc. as a means of getting to know people without the use of the internet.
     
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    I am not all that involved in the Phoenix "scene" but I have friends who entertain outside of bars and there are couples that get together.

    Denver is the only city I lived in that had specific gay areas (Capitol Hill and down on Broadway) where you could find gay shops, book stores, restaurants, etc., without passing a bar. In fact, Capitol Hill was like a city within a city in many respects.

    Denver is heavy on sports and if you are into skiing, you are a short drive away from some of the best slopes in the country. All you need to do is stay away from Colorado Springs, the home of the religious right!

    Perhaps like the gay-specific areas in larger cities like San Francisco you can find much the same thing but mostly, it seems, "gayborhoods" are disappearing in favor of gays and gay couples just living right along with non-gays. Like here in the Phoenix area, everyone is spread out in the entire valley. That is a good thing but certainly makes meeting new folks more difficult.

    Bloomington Indiana is pretty liberal, isn't it? That's where the Kinsey sex research institute is, right? Before moving to AZ, I spent a few years in INDY and thought about moving down to Bloomington.

    However, if I remember correctly, INDY had good men's and women's gay choruses, 1 well-attended gay church (and a few others), and Eli Lilly that is one of the most open and affirming employers in the country. I know someone there who was involved in a charitable leather group and a gay skins group outside of work. This person is really not that outgoing but managed to find things to do there and had no trouble meeting people (although, granted, many events require meeting at a bar first). When I worked in Fishers we didn't have a gay club like Lilly but it seemed that I knew at least 1 gay person in each department with which I had interaction.
    Other than at election time I really did not feel that area to be all that conservative although maybe the rural areas are. If you want conservative, come here!

    If you are not a bar person you will initially have a problem in any city until you can find people with whom you share other interests. You have to pick up the local "rags" to look for sports teams, etc., and the Internet is of course, a great source to finding those rags before you move.

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    Within the USA?

    Hmmm . . . well, the Castro district of San Francisco ain't the same Castro district of my younger years, but it's still considered a solid gay community. However, during the day it appears more young heterosexual couples with children have moved in since it was long ago gentrified by us design-conscious men and women with impeccable taste.

    The Russian River 90 or so miles north of San Franciso, 30 miles west of Santa Clara, in a little place named Guerneyville (sp? anyone) is a plesantly mixed communitiy of gay and straight folks. The locals have and do see everything during the summer, because this is where many city men and boyze from SF go to party and relax. Camping (in the literal sense as in tent and sleeping bag) is a popular activity. I won't bank my retirement on it, but I believe there are more gay bed and breakfast retreats along the Russian River than in PTown. (I'm just made that up.) But you're close to Bodega Bay (which would be a great place to open a small seasonal business or cyber commute) even though it has change a great deal since Hitchcock flimed The Birds there around 1960. And there are enough wineries hiding among the hills of Sonoma County to keep you blitzed for a year of weekend tours. Very pretty and green.

    Greenwich Village on the lower east side of Manhattan is still predominantly gay. However, once gay men and women reach a certain level of economic income (and middle age) most seem to move "up" to Tribeca or worse -- Greenwich, Conn, or somewhere in Westchester County, NY. The Chelsea area a bit further north of Greenwich Village seems to be a wall-to-wall gay neighborhood. However, it depends in which direction you are looking. The Meat Packing district was high on the list of the artistically inclined part of the gay community. But I think it's been downgraded to just another place where straight and gay professionals are looking for less expensive housing. Maybe not. It's been a while since I was willing to visit NYC.

    West Hollywood is the de facto gay city in the Los Angeles area. And from my last visit it seemed one had to be gay to qualify for a home mortgage in that area. The city council is predominantly gay. Again, it's not the prettiest part of El Lay, but it has been transformed over the last two or three decades by a gay community serious about nesting and DYI home projects. Businesses, too. There's that one book about Hollywood with Locust in the title? Night of the Locust? Day of the Locust. My Best Friends are Locust? -- anyway, find a copy and read it before you venture into West Hollywood. If you just want a nice place with nice homes and nice gay neighbors who will leave you alone, check out the Silver Lake area.

    Capitol Hill area of Seattle was once a thriving enclave for Washington State's gay community. However, you know how it is. We buy the fixer-uppers, move in, fix them up, endure several years of the constant crime from the fringe neighborhoods, then sell for a major profit to young heterosexual couples wanting to start a family. You're welcome straight young hetersexual couples, as long as you pay handsomely for the right to reinhabit a neighborhood your parents abandoned decades ago. But all is not lost. There are still plenty of seamy places around the Capitol Hill area that are almost exclusively gay. But it will take some time before the crack and heroin crowd finally leaves.

    Miami Beach and interior neighborhoods. Need I say more? An especially trés gay community if you speak Spanish and are willing to adopt the local Cubanized accent. Good food, too.

    Downtown Palm Springs seems to be nothing but retired gay men about my age and older (57 years-old and up), but property is overpriced and you'll find a better deal in Cathedral City or Indian Springs down the road. Still, the best White Parties are foisted in PS. Expensive and more of a retirement community, though.

    Provincetown, MASS. (I forget. Is it Province Town of just P Town?) Probably the most exclusively small gay community in all of New England. We seem to own and run everything. But that doesn't stop a great number of nice straight people (even straight families) from traditionally enjoying their summers at this end-of-the world on Cape Cod. The winters are fucking fierce, though; and not in the Heidi Klum way.

    Sandy Eggo (San Diego) became a major place to relocate if you were gay and didn't have a lot of money (back in the late 70's and early 80's). I forget the name of the particular gay neighborhood, but I do remember that Utah Avenue (or street) runs directly through it. Someone help me out here. Is it Capital Heights? I know that Normal Heights has taken on the overflow that cannot afford to live in the main gay neighborhood. But even that's changing rapidly. Still, an expensive place to live and WAY Republican despite the obvious diversity.

    Pittsburgh has Liberty Avenue. But it's more of a myth.

    Outside the USA? Check out the following rant.
     
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    Remember this is very subjective. Do you speak French, Spanish, German?

    Toronto, Canada. Not sure which neighborhood is THE anchor for the gay community. But the winter weather isn't as bad as one might imagine. Although Toronto has its smudgy areas, if you squeeze your eyes it's sort of like Manhattan in some places, only clean. It's also the most diverse city -- culturally and racially -- in Canada (OK, Canucks and Quebecois may slam me for saying that, but that's my personal opinion.)

    Paris (almost anywhere except the outer slums where the population is mostly Muslim. Not that Muslims are bad people. It's simply that you'll encounter more injustice regardless of who you are in those areas.)

    Madrid. Big gay community strewn throughout the city. But the place is fucking enormous and the winters can be almost as cold as Cape Cod . . . but it's a dry cold.)

    Berlin. Either you like Berlin or you don't. It is, however, the most gay friendly city in all of Germany. It's also the porn center of northern Europe. although Prague is close on its tails. The extremes seem to be the leather/fetish crowd and/or some of the most remarkable drag queens in the world. Personally, I find German kulture to be somewhat kold. But the men are gorgeous and very friendly. Can't say the same thing about the women . . lesbian or straight. But the men are gorgeous. Did I just say that? The men are gorgeous.

    Amsterdam. Yup, there be a big gay community in down town central Amsterdam. But there's a lot of other shit going on as well. It may be an "open" city, but crime is at an all time high, especially if you're a rube without connections who decides to take up roots and replant himself there. If you don't speak Dutch or German you'll quickly realize that you'll always be an outsider, regardless the size of your shoes. Also, sometimes it's a clean city. Sometimes the place is trashier than midtown Manhattan after VJ Day. (Does anyone remember VJ Day?)

    Rome: Just buy a plane ticket and go already! While you're on the plan read the International Damon Gay Guide and take a taxi to a hotel that it recommends. However, pick pockets and small time crime seems to be a popular pass time with everyone. But there are plenty of gay police, although they don't identify themselves as such. Still, you'll most likely get lucky reporting your lost wallet to a stunning city policeman.

    Florence: This is just a beautiful place to visit. You don't have enought money to be gay here. Move along.

    The Italian and French Rivera: It's hard to tell who ISN'T gay or at least bisexual. The workers in the service industries (waiters, bartenders, hotel employees) all seem to have arrived from Africa, Greece, Turkey, and the Middle East to work and fuck in same sex communal peace. Lots of Arab Emirate money (but in the closet). And there are some French, Italians, and Germans, too. But a cohesive gay community is difficult to ferret out.

    Barcelona: Major gay friendly city. L'eixample (le shamp) neghborhood, specifically the south L'eixample is where I live and the gay community is firmly entrenched. Although on any given day you would be hard-pressed to recognize it. For most of us who live in the L'exiample the gay community doesn't exist until after 10:00 PM when the place is transformed from what appears to be a regular heterosexual neighborhood (which it still is) into par-tay central (which it is). And the wealtheir new gay residents are buying what scarce property is available towards the north between L'eixample to Passeig de Gracia (think Left Bank in Paris, but no river). And we have almost as many immigrants from Muslim countries living in peace among us. Go figure. Caution: Stay away from el Borne, a neighborhood south of the City Zoo. It's full of drunken, upper-middle class, mostly straight 'Mericuhn tourists and temporary residents trying to act like the Lost Generation a la Paris 1920's. Ain't pretty. Lots of frat boys and girls puking in the streets.

    Sitges: There is Costa Brava north of Barçelona and Costa del Sol south of Barçelona. Ignore the Costa del Sol because it's rife with straight Brits (I'm actually very fond of Brits) who behave exactly like southern California high school students on the weekends in Tijuana. The UK vacations along the Costa del Sol indulging in sexual mischief they'd never try at hom. Much puking and seeking of lewd behavior (sigh, if it were only just sex) among the heterosexual set happening along the the Costa del Sol until there are no more beaches and you reach Málaga. However, Sitges (only 30 minutes by train from BCN) is still relatively unspoiled and for such a scenic Spanish town terraced from the beaches to the terra firma above, it's a sublime place where there is a great straight community dominated by a much larger gay community -- although it's seasonal. Sitges is the gay destination for all the other Western European countries. It's sort of like a gay Spring Break that lasts from early April to the end of September. If you're young, go there. If you're a dirty old man (like me) go there. It's a bit pricey for 'Mericuhns, but not for Europe. You will find a bar and an enclave of gay subculture to satisfy any taste. Bears are especially prevalent. Bars catering to those between 18 and 30 are the most hedonistic places I've ever been, and I lived through the halcyon years of 1970's gay San Francisco. Not only is Sitges a lovely place, but the food is good, too.

    Australia: Sydney and Melbourne (sp? this is hard of an old 'Mericuhn faggot to write who speaks Spanish 24/7. My ability to spell -- even with a spell checker -- is just a memory). Go to Bondi Beach, the gay part, set up your beach umbrella and just drool. Many heterosexuals also inhabit the gay part of the city beaches, but the gay community has its own gay beach safety patrols in matching Speedos who are not picky -- they'll save anyone from drowning. Melbourne is less spectacular, but worth mentioning because they have an earnest and genuine gay community that is very friendly. Caution: A 12 year-old Australian can out drink the most alcoholic of tourists. He'll also be able to arrange a taxi to haul off your sorry derrier when you passs out. Australians are a swell bunch. They still revel in their right to get drunk. That may be the reason Australia is the only country left where you'll find action in almost every public restroom and truck stop on the continent. Straight truckers and station (ranch) workers seem to be quite at ease having sex with men if the fair sex isn't readily available. They are also famous for beating the shit out of you, too. I have a good friend who turns coin by taking foreign gay tourists with a fetish for glory holes on a 7-day excursion along the by ways of Australia's notorious "cottages." He actually makes a tidy profit pandering to this particular old-fashioned crowd. On the bright side, Australia is very accepting of gays and gay rights. (I'd avoid Perth, but so do most people. It's pretty, but small and very isolated.) The only problem with Australia is that it's at the end of the world (32-hour flights from the USA). But it's a nice end of the world.

    Brazil: Sao Paulo and Rio de Jinero. But first you must learn Portuguese, the language of 4,000 irregular verbs. The language barrier, alone, is why most gay 'Mericuhns find themselves disappointed after vacationing there. 'Mericuhns are famous for expecting for everyone to speak 'Mericuhn before they'll give up their 'Mericuhn dollars. And it is true that for some it might be easier to learn 12th Century Classcal Martian than Portuguese. However, the most beautiful music in the world eminates from this country of beautiful, primarily mixed-race people. The general population is living proof that hybrid vigor and beauty is a solid maxim in human genetics. Other than Italy, where else will you find naturally blonde, green or blue-eyed men and women with supple, flawless shades of brown skin? Remarkable.

    Buenos Aires: Only in the last 15 or so years has BsAS, specifically the Federal Capital (CAPA), has the gay community crept out of the closet and coalesced. This is my Squeeze's home town. Among most South and Central Americans BsAs is famously known as big dick central (¡lo más pijas grandes del mundo!) I blame it on the 10 million southern Italians who immigrated to Argentina from about 1900 to approximately 1966. It seems everyone's mother or father was born in Calabria, Italy. But the gay community is the fastest growing in the Southern Hemisphere. The food sucks, except for the traditional chunk-of-cow a la parilla. From Peña to Malabia along Avenida Santa Fe is where you'll find most gay venues, shops, restaurants and "Taxi boys" (who work Marcelo T. Avelar, the street that parallels Ave. Santa Fe. Parque Rosales livens up at night with the most stunning transvestites working for a Peso anywhere in the world. Berlin has serious competition in this particular area. And the Mayor of Buenos Aires has a gay community ombudsman who helps coordinate international advertising for tours and lodging among the gay-owned, gay-friendly businesses. There are many straight venus who cater specifically to the gay tourist. It's also a nice place to live, once you get used to the lush Rioplatanse dialect. Oddly, I know many lesbians originally from 'Mericuh who have relocated to BsAs and none of them can't stand each other. At first glance, BsAs is a sprawling dump. But once your eyes adjust you begin to realize you are surrounded by nothing but faded elegance.

    And I understand Cape Town, South Africa is nice. But like Australia, it's a Hell of a long way to go just for a blow job.

    Cheers.
     
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    Wow.

    It was worth reading all that just for that last line!
     
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    Fort Lauderdale, Florida. There is a section called Wilton Manors that is gay.

    There is a gay section of Fort Lauderdale beach. The nude beach in Miami, 30 minutes away (Haulover) has many gays. The ocean is beautiful here.

    Key West is also very gay friendly and about a 2.5 hour drive.

    Orland and (Tampa) St. Petersburg are gay friendly.
     
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    New Orleans for sure, with its own Mardi Gras gay masquerade balls, the big costume extravaganza on Mardi Gras Day, Gay Pride celebrations, a number of gay establishments, a very nice clothes optional pool bar and restaurant, and home of the Labor Day weekend Southern Decadence events. All that, jabalaya, and more.

    For more info go:

    Gay New Orleans

    Gay Pride New Orleans

    and

    New Orleans Gay & Lesbian Travel Guide
     
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    Can't believe no one has mentioned Boystown (Halstead Street) in Chicago, which is even marked with official rainbow-colored markers by the city government. I would take Boystown over any place within the USA mentioned by Midlifebear, with the caveat that I have never been to West Hollywood or P-Town. (I've been to the rest of the within USA spots he listed and three of the outside USA spots he mentioned, too.) Sorry, but the Castro is just too exhausted; it was interesting 20 years ago and gets less so with each passing year.
     
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    Great post. And how is the Eixample?

    Not yet mentioned in this thread is English Bay, Vancouver BC.

    (I regretfully have not been so far afield as some)
     
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    Uhhhh.....C.W.E in STL.

    A.K.A the Central West End (or Central Rear End for those hateful Straight folks)

    Beautiful community, with deep roots and history. Right in the heart of historic Dog town. Lots of things to do, good selection of bars and clubs, PRIDE festival main route is cuts right through Tower Grove and and C.W.E. Coffee shops where your everyone's friend, Novak's bar and grill (primarily lesb. but its a fair mix most times) has the best music and damn drink specials around too.

    If your into the city life and still want it kinda cozy, this would be my pick if I were gay.
     
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    this thread should remain a sticky...great info
     
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    If you ever make it to the United Kingdom, come and check out Brighton, our gay capital.
     
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    It's called HILLCREST :) and NORTH PARK has taken on the overflow.
     
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    Hmm, gotta bring some love back to Canada.. Vancouver to be exact. We have a street called Davie Street here, it is the "Gay Street" of Vancouver.. dare I say, all of British Columbia? In fact, everyone in Downtown Vancouver won't even flinch at any homosexual couple walking down the street hand in hand. Just the public displays of affection might catch some people off guard, but you won't get hated for it. Davie Street runs right through the core of Downtown, close to Robson, one of the best shopping districts you could ask for.

    Each year there's a Gay Pride Parade, this year it brought out over 100 000 people, gay and straight both. Of course, being in downtown, you'll also be entertained by the gay-friendly bars and clubs. However, many straight guys are hitting up the gay clubs like Celebrities and Odyssey now to pick up chicks. Nonetheless, a great neighbourhood to live/visit. Plus, it's close to the beach.
     
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    As a former resident myself, I have to nominate Vaseline Valley (a.k.a., Ansley Park neighborhood <Midtown> in Atlanta, GA). Very open, very accepting, next to Piedmont Park, borders Buckhead shopping and nightlife.
     
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    Decatur, just east of Atlanta, is very accepting and gay-friendly, too. Much more settled and family-oriented than Midtown.
     
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    The Russian River 90 or so miles north of San Franciso, 30 miles west of Santa Clara, in a little place named Guerneyville (sp? anyone) is a pleasantly mixed community of gay and straight folks. The locals have and do see


    FYI: It is west of Santa Rosa and the main town is Guerneville--but you don't pronounce the "e" after the "n".
     
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    Got to agree with MEM - have lived in NYC & Palm Springs - now in Ft. Lauderdale - Wilton Manors and it's the most open and gay friendly area I've been to.

    Miami can get a bit rough at times. If you want more info, contact me.
     
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    Midlife bear have you been a travel agent...you do a heckuva job tho. hehe
     
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