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Bi-sexuality IS a fucking legitimate choice.

"WE" don't HAVE to make a fucking choice because bi-sexuality IS our fucking choice.
"WE" don't have to choose one sex over the other.
"WE" don't have to return to a binary state to be normal or to have relationships or to be happy!
"WE" Bi people have a legitimate sexual preference which is every bit as legitimate as being straight or gay.

I refuse to be talked down to and I refused to have people who have no clue what it is like to actually be Bi to tell me what my sexuality is about.
I refuse to accept a layman's definition of what it means to be a Bi person or how to conduct the business of being Bi!


Right on, D....thanks.....WELL SAID!

However, with regards to being BI, it was never a "choice" for me...BI WAS ME from the very begining and I have never known anything else...and would not change it if I could.

And yes...we don't have to "return" to anything to be our normal selves....and BI certainly is a "Legitimate Sexual State" and we BIs know it...

Thanks again...
 

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Its simple. There is still a social disadvantage to being seen as "gay"... primarily, in how other men who are uncomfortable with homosexuality might respond to you in ways that can affect your career, social standing, etc.

The 10% of the population that identify as "gay" have a political agenda to try and eliminate that bias thru activism, and making being "gay" seem more ordinary and less threatening to those who still have issues with it.


Ergo... bisexual men tend to present themselves as straight, simply because it works out better for them socially and in their careers...

And Gay people prefer to tally as many men as possible on Their side of the issue as possible. This Gay assumption that any man professing bisexuality as being in denial, is simply another pressure on men with bisexual interests to self identify as straight...
because of the social bias in favor of straight, if forced to be seen as one or the other, they will naturally choose the one that is more accepted and simply conceal their other interests or activities.


Another reason o the Gay bias against bisexuality is this:
A majority of gay men, today, due to social pressures, tried to live straight lives and deny their deeper feelings, only to pass thru a period where they increasingly experimented with homosexual activities before committing themselves fully to a gay identity and gay lifestyle.

As a result, they tend to view all other men engaging occasionally in homosexuality as being like them, and being simply on the arc to fully realizing their gay preferences.


One of the hardest things for people, in general, to do is to understand that other people do not see or respond to the world the same way they do, for the same reasons.


In any event... the evidence has already been collected, from both history, surveys, and modern scientific experiments that do not rely on reportage but use a device for measuring actual arousal when exposed to different kinds of porn...

Sorry all you folks who think otherwise... but proof is proof and unsupported opinion is just belief.

In fact... all evidence shows that human males run a spectrum from fully homosexual, thru bisexuality of different degrees, all the way to fully heterosexual.
Approximately 8% of males are totally homosexual, approximately 12 percent of males are totally heterosexual, with the other 80% distributed on a curve that is biased toward the more heterosexual side.

the majority of human males Prefer relationship and sex with females... but are more than capable of enjoying sex with males as an occasional diversion, or when females are not available.

But all real evidence agrees...
Human males are predominantly hetero-preferring bisexual.

It is real... and it Seldom results in a man continuing on toward being fully gay.

It does not matter what people claim. The first thing you learn in anthropology is that people lie both to and about themselves...and about their cultures, too.

What matters is what they DO.

Anonymous polls get more truth than attributed ones... and a plesmograph will tell you for certain whether a man finds homosexual imagery arousing.

Bisexuality in human males is real.
 

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Because it doesn't fit straight or gay people's criteria.

Jon, I think gay people are more accepting than the str8 population because knowing that we are different ourselves, why couldn't there be true bisexuals?

The few bi's that I know tend to lean one way or the other but that doesn't take away from their bisexuality. I am not trying to tell them they are gay anymore than they are str8. They are who they are, the same as I am who I am.

I do know in the gay population the old stereotype comes out "those are gays sitting on the fence" (speaking of bi's). I don't believe that.

I don't think you should lump us all into one category yourself; not all gay people don't believe bi's exist and not all str8 people don't believe that bi's exist.

Str8's are how they are and gays are how they are. Why question another sexuality? I don't and to be honest, I don't really care what someone is. If they treat me right as a friend, you could be bright pink in color and it wouldn't matter to me. What matters to me is who you are as a person, which doesn't necessarily include your sexuality.
 
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Curb Your Enthusiasm just had a great show about a bisexual woman.

Larry David and Rosie O'Donnell fought over the attention of a bisexual woman. There was no moral to the story (mostly because stories with morals don't tow the HBO line - and god bless them for it). The only thing i took away from the episode is that this woman had sex with both Larry David and Rosie O'Donnell. I'd say her eyesight is more worrysome than her bisexuality.
 

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Because I believe in the idea of a relationship that lasts. I believe in the staying power of two people in a committed relationship. Because I think bisexuality is a trend, especially amongst members of my generation and because I think at some point everyone finds someone...

I don't discount bi-sexuality as something illegitimate, I really don't. I think, however, at the end of the search (which I think is something all people are on whether they know it or not) people reach a binary state; you find a male or a female that exemplifies what it is you've been striving for in a partner. Once you do your orientation is confirmed assuming you, like me, are perhaps niaeve enough to think that one true love per life time is probably more than anyone should hope to attain.

Some people are just more... "open" in their search and don't discount based on gender and that sort of freedom is not only something I respect but something I envy and have, in the past, learned from. That being said I stand behind the idea that at the end we all reach a binary state; a male, a female, or like Mark Twain (crazy, alone, in a cabin in the woods.) Are their exceptions? Of course. Futanari wasn't a word that came up in sex-ed but I'm sure as hell aware of it now.

For me, however, I think of bisexuality as an open minded attitude toward that exploration of sexuality beyond the capacities of most (myself included) that will ultimately lead to the same place; a stable, secure relationship with someone and, if we're to believe what biology has told us, that will be with either a male or a female.


Maybe that's not as "new age" as it should be... but that's how I feel about it.


The response to that was this:


Bi-sexuality IS a fucking legitimate choice.

"WE" don't HAVE to make a fucking choice because bi-sexuality IS our fucking choice.
"WE" don't have to choose one sex over the other.
"WE" don't have to return to a binary state to be normal or to have relationships or to be happy!
"WE" Bi people have a legitimate sexual preference which is every bit as legitimate as being straight or gay.

I refuse to be talked down to and I refused to have people who have no clue what it is like to actually be Bi to tell me what my sexuality is about.
I refuse to accept a layman's definition of what it means to be a Bi person or how to conduct the business of being Bi!


Which I think is part of the problem I didn't address; there's a "victim" mentality in almost all of the bisexual people I know (all three of them.) It's almost like they're holding their own little protest in the gay community for tolerance leading to acceptance by being petulant to anyone who isn't bisexual, no matter how open to it said person might be.

The other thing is the omnipresent I'm-better-than-you crap.There's a lingering "I'm superior because my mind is more open than just a straight guy or gay guy" vibe that I find kind of annoying, the same way I find anyone who watches Juno and then claims to be deep or refuses to eat meat and brags about enlightenment, annoying.

You're not persecuted by the community (comparatively speaking, just go ask the T in LGBT) and having sex with both genders doesn't make you the fucking Dali Lama. I think there are legitimately bisexual people and I don't have any problem or mistrust of them but, personally speaking, I hold out the hope everyone winds up with someone. Unless someone with both forms of genitalia, that identifies as both male and female is what all bisexual people are after, it ends with one or the other and that is the individual they've openly searching for the whole time.

At some point it becomes about a relationship, right? I mean people aren't really bi so they can have as much sex as possible are they? I always considered that a terrible stereotype.




JSZ
 

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The response to that was this:





Which I think is part of the problem I didn't address; there's a "victim" mentality in almost all of the bisexual people I know (all three of them.) It's almost like they're holding their own little protest in the gay community for tolerance leading to acceptance by being petulant to anyone who isn't bisexual, no matter how open to it said person might be.

The other thing is the omnipresent I'm-better-than-you crap.There's a lingering "I'm superior because my mind is more open than just a straight guy or gay guy" vibe that I find kind of annoying, the same way I find anyone who watches Juno and then claims to be deep or refuses to eat meat and brags about enlightenment, annoying.

You're not persecuted by the community (comparatively speaking, just go ask the T in LGBT) and having sex with both genders doesn't make you the fucking Dali Lama. I think there are legitimately bisexual people and I don't have any problem or mistrust of them but, personally speaking, I hold out the hope everyone winds up with someone. Unless someone with both forms of genitalia, that identifies as both male and female is what all bisexual people are after, it ends with one or the other and that is the individual they've openly searching for the whole time.

At some point it becomes about a relationship, right? I mean people aren't really bi so they can have as much sex as possible are they? I always considered that a terrible stereotype.




JSZ

I'm not sure where to start, because I find so many places to differ with you. I'm approaching this subject because clearly you've had some negative experiences with some bisexuals, and you may be reaching erroneous conclusions based on that and your own perspective.

First off, ending up in a relationship may be great, but that's not the "goal line" for everyone; look at Bbucko here, for example - or any of a number of people. Relationships are great - but they do not define our sexuality. If they did, anybody who was single would be asexual. And some people end up with multiple loving relationships. Monogamy and polyamory are one thing, sexuality and identity are another.

Persecution. Meh. I'm not interested in playing in the Oppression Olympics. As a multi-racial bisexual man, I'm not always sure what it is that makes some people haters, but there doesn't seem to be any sort of exclusion clause that makes some people perfect and others not. I do think it's hypocritical of *some* gays and lesbians to suggest that bisexuals don't exist, when that is exactly the same sort of discrimination they face from *some* straight people.

Victimhood. Meh twice over. I've seen bi people "cry wolf" too readily - but I've also seen that in other people of all orientations, genders, etc. But why are *you* worked up about it, and specifically among bisexual people? You think they don't have a beef? Or is there some level it has to meet to make it legitimate? I'm not sure where you are coming from, except that it sounds like you don't want to credit what somebody has said to you. I can't judge that because I don't know what they said.

You might find it interesting to read Kenji Yoshino's article about bisexual erasure.

If anything, the issue worth pointing at isn't bisexuality vs. other orientations. It's being closeted vs. being out. I've been out as a bisexual since I was 17, and during that time I've seen the entire range of human reaction to that fact. I'd rather be out than anything else, since not being out would be living a lie. But I hope you would agree with me that it gets a little tiring to hear people say, "oh, bisexuals don't really exist" when you are standing right in front of them. Or "bisexuals can just pass and so they do" when I'm wearing a Pride T-shirt and have my boyfriend on my arm - while we're talking happily about our girlfriend. Or any of a number of things of that sort - but maybe you disagree?
 

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Curb Your Enthusiasm just had a great show about a bisexual woman.

Larry David and Rosie O'Donnell fought over the attention of a bisexual woman. There was no moral to the story (mostly because stories with morals don't tow the HBO line - and god bless them for it). The only thing i took away from the episode is that this woman had sex with both Larry David and Rosie O'Donnell.I'd say her eyesight is more worrysome than her bisexuality.


LMAO!!!! :rofl:
 

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Fascinating discussion. On my phone now, so I Haven't read the story link yet. All I know is I have always been and remain hopelessly in love with women. Their bodies, their minds, it's all good. And yet as I hit middle age, men started looking pretty good too. My explorations of that have been very satisfying but in no way diminish my absolute worship of the adult human female. <drool>

Puckit and Dragon got awfully quiet. Did they get a room somewhere? I wonder who the lucky third was. :)
 

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I'm approaching this subject because clearly you've had some negative experiences with some bisexuals, and you may be reaching erroneous conclusions based on that and your own perspective.

I think there are legitimately bisexual people and I don't have any problem or mistrust of them

Does the post that preceded yours clear that up? My "negative experiences" paint the picture I went on to describe that you went on to agree with;

Persecution. Meh.

Victimhood. Meh twice over.

The only portion of the preceding where there is even a potentially divergent point of view comes form this;

ending up in a relationship may be great, but that's not the "goal line" for everyone;

where I didn't really raise much of an objection. I'll clarify that I think a majority of people want to end up in a relationship at some point. Obviously, as I pointed out originally, there are exceptions but for the people who want to wind up with someone eventually, a binary state is the end result whether that was the goal or not.


You might find it interesting to read Kenji Yoshino's article about bisexual erasure.

If I get trapped in an elevator with access to wifi...

I hope you would agree with me that it gets a little tiring to hear people say, "oh, bisexuals don't really exist" when you are standing right in front of them. Or "bisexuals can just pass and so they do" when I'm wearing a Pride T-shirt and have my boyfriend on my arm - while we're talking happily about our girlfriend. Or any of a number of things of that sort - but maybe you disagree?

... What? What reasonable person would disagree with that? It's almost like this entire post was an effort to fight with me over something. Who says bisexuals don't exist? I certainly didn't. They do exist. Just like caterpillars and tadpoles exist (if we're talking about the presumed majority in the context I mentioned earlier.) Anyway, I don't know what the point of all that was but I think you're under the impression I care a whole lot more about this than I really do.



JSZ
 

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Because I believe in the idea of a relationship that lasts. I believe in the staying power of two people in a committed relationship. Because I think bisexuality is a trend, especially amongst members of my generation and because I think at some point everyone finds someone...

I don't discount bi-sexuality as something illegitimate, I really don't. I think, however, at the end of the search (which I think is something all people are on whether they know it or not) people reach a binary state; you find a male or a female that exemplifies what it is you've been striving for in a partner. Once you do your orientation is confirmed assuming you, like me, are perhaps niaeve enough to think that one true love per life time is probably more than anyone should hope to attain.

Some people are just more... "open" in their search and don't discount based on gender and that sort of freedom is not only something I respect but something I envy and have, in the past, learned from. That being said I stand behind the idea that at the end we all reach a binary state; a male, a female, or like Mark Twain (crazy, alone, in a cabin in the woods.) Are their exceptions? Of course. Futanari wasn't a word that came up in sex-ed but I'm sure as hell aware of it now.

For me, however, I think of bisexuality as an open minded attitude toward that exploration of sexuality beyond the capacities of most (myself included) that will ultimately lead to the same place; a stable, secure relationship with someone and, if we're to believe what biology has told us, that will be with either a male or a female.


Maybe that's not as "new age" as it should be... but that's how I feel about it.




JSZ

you talk bollocks (gay or straight ones obviously, heaven forbid having Bi-sexual ones...)

I love being Bi-bisexual. You talk about making a choice but we have the most choice. We can fall in love, have sex with, cry over, fantasize about both sexes. I dont know if anyones touched upon this as i havn't read every post but being Bisexual/ gay or straight is the individuals decision and nothing to do with anyone. I myself feel comfortable. If there wasn't a Bisexual...category? Choice?... whatever word you wanted to use i wouldnt fit in anywhere. I like to fit in whilst maintaining being an individual in my own right. I have gay friends and straight friends and bisexual friends. We dont doubt one anothers choices because we aren't that prejudiced. I seriously hope you closed, narrow minded views educate them selves into mature, respectful ones.

BEING BI IS SERIOUSLY THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS
 

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you talk bollocks (gay or straight ones obviously, heaven forbid having Bi-sexual ones...)

We dont doubt one anothers choices because we aren't that prejudiced. I seriously hope you closed, narrow minded views educate them selves into mature, respectful ones.

BEING BI IS SERIOUSLY THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS

@Badger, you see what I mean? You voice anything about bisexuality other than unabashed, unqualified support of it (essentially be bisexual) and there are members of the aforementioned orientation that absolutely cannot handle it and are not receptive to it. The negative experiences we were talking about? This is what I mean. When I said earlier;

The other thing is the omnipresent I'm-better-than-you crap.There's a lingering "I'm superior because my mind is more open than just a straight guy or gay guy" vibe that I find kind of annoying, the same way I find anyone who watches Juno and then claims to be deep or refuses to eat meat and brags about enlightenment, annoying.

You're not persecuted by the community (comparatively speaking, just go ask the T in LGBT) and having sex with both genders doesn't make you the fucking Dali Lama.

this is the tone toward which I was directing the statements. It is hardly uncommon though I will say in the real world (outside of the internet) the sentiment is at least presented in more civil fashion (right up to the point "maturity" and "enlightenment" come into it.)


It just makes me kind of want to roll my eyes especially since, again, I don't really care about this as it doesn't effect me in any meaningful way. I'm not bisexual but I said in my very first post it was something I respected and was maybe even a little envious of- and look what that's gotten me. There are people who don't trust bisexuals, who think of them as fence riders, and who even go so far as to blame them for the proliferation of STDs (in the thinking that bisexuality and promiscuity go hand in hand.) I'm not one of those people but for all the flack I've taken in this thread from the bisexual community, I might as well be. If they're not bisexual, let's attack them? Is that the idea? If there's all this love loss for gay people from bisexual people maybe you guys should get your own damn parade. You can walk on either side of the road rather than straight down the middle. : )



JSZ
 
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(sigh) I've edited this for one reason and one reason only. I'm beginning to understand a bit of your motives here JustSomeZombie. You might think its annoying but just by acting the way you have you've made your own statement true. There are people out there better than you. Is it me? Well i wouldn't say so but your annoyance does. See people with a higher level of intelligence don't get annoyed easily. Why? because they have better things to do with their time. Hence why there wasn't a lightening response to your quips.

Legitimate? So you think there's such a thing as legitimate and ilegitimate Bi-sexuals? Cause you are the all mighty sexual judge right? condescend much?

Individual? So you think that people only choose one partner? Isn't that just another judgement?

And ThreeLegsGood do you even have a job? Like a nine to five.

Seriously if your straight, bi, gay or whatever it is YOUR choice (or you were born that way) the only people questioning anyone else here are the ones unsure of themselves. And thats not me or The Dragon.

Something else that is also funny is that you JustSomeZombie are very very clear in your beliefs but please i beg you. Step outside of yourself and the neighborhood you live in because things are way different in the outside world. People of the community (meaning gay, lesbian and bi) have had to fight just about everyone around them because of who they are.
 
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(sigh) Great. So someone makes a comment saying that people shouldn't be general but then goes an says that everyone ends up with one life mate. There's a difference between what you would like to see happen for everyone in the world and what actually happens. The fact that you make a wide brushing statement that people end up with only one partner speaks volumes.


That's been qualified, three times now. Three times I've clarified that, specifically, for people who want to end up in a long term relationship (with I like to think is a majority of people but have gone on to elaborate can't possibly be everybody as there are exceptions within this very thread), a binary state is the outcome even if that isn't the goal.

But for the sake of having something else to quote, I'll say it a fourth time; I didn't say "people" and I didn't say "everyone" and it isn't "what I'd like" (trying to paint me as some Goodie Threadgood from the 1950's isn't going to work) I said for the people who want to wind up that way, that's where the journey ends.

I also dug through the last page and looked for the word "general" and couldn't even glean where the idea came from. You're right about broad sweeping statements though- had I made any that weren't expressly qualified (several times) you'd have a point. Anything else?




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@Badger, you see what I mean? You voice anything about bisexuality other than unabashed, unqualified support of it (essentially be bisexual) and there are members of the aforementioned orientation that absolutely cannot handle it and are not receptive to it. The negative experiences we were talking about? This is what I mean. When I said earlier;
JSZ

I also gotta ask, as a gay man have you ever had someone try to tip toe around invalidating your sexuality? If so it boggles the mind that you would do that to anyone in the same situation as you because believe it or not. You should support bi-sexual people. Why? Not only because they are people but...ah hell screw it. Put it like this. I feel sorry for you.
 

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That's been qualified, three times now. Three times I've clarified that, specifically, for people who want to end up in a long term relationship (with I like to think is a majority of people but have gone on to elaborate can't possibly be everybody as there are exceptions within this very thread), a binary state is the outcome even if that isn't the goal.


JSZ

I'm usually a goofy person and this has got to be about what the fourth or fifth time i've said this. Anyway, you sir need to grow up. And fast. The word general means what it means and you spoke about bi-sexuals like helpless crying whiny babies. If thats not a general statement i don't know what is. You also said (if they so choose i guess) that people find "one" partner which is also a general statement. (for a long term relationship) Need i really say anymore?

Do i really need to say anything about people having five, six, seven wives or husbands or whatever?

Oh and one last thing. If you had read a book sometime in your life you'd understand that a condescending tone only works when you have a brain behind it.

Now......anything else to say?:eek:
 

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(sigh) I've edited this for one reason and one reason only. I'm beginning to understand a bit of your motives here JustSomeZombie. You might think its annoying but just by acting the way you have you've made your own statement true. There are people out there better than you. Is it me? Well i wouldn't say so but your annoyance does. See people with a higher level of intelligence don't get annoyed easily. Why? because they have better things to do with their time. Hence why there wasn't a lightening response to your quips.

The ole "us smart folk 've got better things to do with our time" is the best you can do? It's a forum... I'm going to post where there's conversation being had. I think if your capacity for reading comprehension were a bit higher you'd note that my annoyance has been described in detail and isn't directed all bisexuals but ones who act in a particular manner as exists in plenty, evidenced by the post I quoted so as to exemplify the point. See, people with a higher level of intelligence don't need to be spoken to in this fashion since they can read and don't have to have it broken down for them. Some people can set their alarm clocks... other people have to have the guys at Radio Shack explain it to them.

Legitimate? So you think there's such a thing as legitimate and ilegitimate Bi-sexuals? Cause you are the all mighty sexual judge right? condescend much?

Individual? So you think that people only choose one partner? Isn't that just another judgement?

I'm going to post this one more time in the hopes that you'll read it or are able to comprehend it this time. The only places the two things you're bemoaning have come up are to say exactly the opposite of what you're implying was said or to clarify that that was not, in point of fact, what I said or what I meant. Here you go. I've even gone so far as to bold the parts that are in direct contrast to your overzealous bloviation on an issue that is not existent as there isn't a debater here who has advocated either of the things you've taken exception to.

Because I believe in the idea of a relationship that lasts. I believe in the staying power of two people in a committed relationship. Because I think bisexuality is a trend, especially amongst members of my generation and because I think at some point everyone finds someone...

1.) I don't discount bi-sexuality as something illegitimate, I really don't. I think, however, at the end of the search (which I think is something all people are on whether they know it or not) people reach a binary state; you find a male or a female that exemplifies what it is you've been striving for in a partner. 2.) Once you do your orientation is confirmed assuming you, like me, are perhaps niaeve enough to think that one true love per life time is probably more than anyone should hope to attain.

(This went on to be clarified with:
I'll clarify that I think a majority of people want to end up in a relationship at some point. Obviously, as I pointed out originally, there are exceptions but for the people who want to wind up with someone eventually, a binary state is the end result whether that was the goal or not.)

Some people are just more... "open" in their search and don't discount based on gender and that sort of freedom is not only something I respect but something I envy and have, in the past, learned from. That being said I stand behind the idea that at the end we all reach a binary state; a male, a female, or like Mark Twain (crazy, alone, in a cabin in the woods.) Are their exceptions? Of course. Futanari wasn't a word that came up in sex-ed but I'm sure as hell aware of it now.

For me, however, I think of bisexuality as an open minded attitude toward that exploration of sexuality beyond the capacities of most (myself included) that will ultimately lead to the same place; a stable, secure relationship with someone and, if we're to believe what biology has told us, that will be with either a male or a female.


Maybe that's not as "new age" as it should be... but that's how I feel about it.




JSZ


Something else that is also funny is that you JustSomeZombie are very very clear in your beliefs but please i beg you. Step outside of yourself and the neighborhood you live in because things are way different in the outside world. People of the community (meaning gay, lesbian and bi) have had to fight just about everyone around them because of who they are.

You are going to lecture me on what it's like to be gay? There isn't an emoticon to express how hard my eyes rolled at the very notion. You go on to say that I should support bi-sexual people- I've said I not only respect but even envy them. You go on to say that I've made some effort to invalidate their orientation- I have not. You go on to say you feel sorry for me? Save the energy you waste on pity and direct towards education because a straight guy telling a gay guy the difficulties of being a homosexual has to be the single dumbest thing I've read on this forum to date.




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I'm usually a goofy person and this has got to be about what the fourth or fifth time i've said this.

Is that euphemistic?

Anyway, you sir need to grow up. And fast.

:rolleyes: Really? We've moved from "smart people have better things to do" to "you're a baby?" If you're not going to engage on a level at least slightly above the lowest common demonanator, why are you wasting my time? Seriously, what's next? A knock-knock joke? A poop gag? Anything else from the Nickelodeon School of Debate I should expect?

The word general means what it means and you spoke about bi-sexuals like helpless crying whiny babies.

No Dexter, I didn't. What I did do was quote examples from the thread itself wherein I thought my point was exemplified. Each statement was painstakingly crafted so as to avoid being cited with this very violation.


Oh and one last thing. If you had read a book sometime in your life you'd understand that a condescending tone only works when you have a brain behind it.

Now......anything else to say?:eek:

The whole "you're dumb" bit is cute and all but if you think it lends weight to your argument (whatever that is at this point) you're wrong. You should take your own advice and make sure you're ready for the deep end before you go on a fishing expedition.



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The ole "us smart folk 've got better things to do with our time" is the best you can do? It's a forum... I'm going to post where there's conversation being had. I think if your capacity for reading comprehension were a bit higher you'd note that my annoyance has been described in detail and isn't directed all bisexuals but ones who act in a particular manner as exists in plenty, evidenced by the post I quoted so as to exemplify the point. See, people with a higher level of intelligence don't need to be spoken to in this fashion since they can read and don't have to have it broken down for them. Some people can set their alarm clocks... other people have to have the guys at Radio Shack explain it to them.



I'm going to post this one more time in the hopes that you'll read it or are able to comprehend it this time. The only places the two things you're bemoaning have come up are to say exactly the opposite of what you're implying was said or to clarify that that was not, in point of fact, what I said or what I meant. Here you go. I've even gone so far as to bold the parts that are in direct contrast to your overzealous bloviation on an issue that is not existent as there isn't a debater here who has advocated either of the things you've taken exception to.






You are going to lecture me on what it's like to be gay? There isn't an emoticon to express how hard my eyes rolled at the very notion. You go on to say that I should support bi-sexual people- I've said I not only respect but even envy them. You go on to say that I've made some effort to invalidate their orientation- I have not. You go on to say you feel sorry for me? Save the energy you waste on pity and direct towards education because a straight guy telling a gay guy the difficulties of being a homosexual has to be the single dumbest thing I've read on this forum to date.




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wow...and those are your comebacks? Really? I'm gonna do you a solid and end this convo cause you have no idea. I suggest you find an older gay man. There are many on this site i think but i'm not sure. Then ask them what they've had to go through so you can act like you are right now. I think the best thing i can do for you right now is stop talking. Cause we all know you'll reply and yeah its already been bad enough. Good luck though.