This is actually a linguistics post, but will no doubt be regarded as political. A recent poll that I submitted was correctly attacked as poorly constructed (and I totally agree), but the criticism that surprised me was that my use of the word "whole" to describe a penis with foreskin was regarded as divisive and politically charged. I've noticed some more comments on terminology, and I hoped to centralise comments and debate on terminology, and hopefully separate them from the discussion (duck for cover now) on circumcision in general, and RIC in particular. *THIS IS NOT A THREAD TO DISCUSS RIC - IT IS TO DISCUSS TERMINOLOGY THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR SUCH DISCUSSIONS WITHOUT ACCUSATIONS OF POLITICAL BIAS*. (If that is possible). So we have cut/circumcised/mutilated/normal/funny looking/helmet vs uncut/uncircumcised/natural or whole/funny looking/normal/anteater. Circumcised and cut seem to be free of any emotions. Mutilated and funny-looking carry awful connotations, normal is geographically biased (and contains an inherent bias). And then there is helmet (as in motorcycle). Uncut and Uncircumcised are criticised because they "un" a natural state - how appropriate/common are the terms unamputated/unbleached/unshaved/untonsellectomied/unmuscled/unappendixed/un-made-up. I'll mention unshaved since it is also a totally unnatural state (has anyone seen a shaved baboon or bear), yet shaved has become a normal state of the western male face, and thus "unshaved" represents a judgment on non-conformity in a shaving society. Natural and whole are what they are, but they carry negative connotations for the circumcised, who are presumably unnatural or unwhole (revealing why uncut and uncircumcised are offensive to the other side). Funny looking and normal have the geographic bias the other way, when viewed from Europe or Asia. Helmet vs anteater were common in fratboy culture in an early 90s South Africa when we were about 50-50 between the two, and they don't carry any political baggage. I'm probably going to go for helmet/anteater for the foreseeable future. I think I like cut/uncut (circ/uncirc) as short simple, and only offensive to uncut guys who really really think about it (ie the cock-obsessed boys in the US, of which I am one). Whole/natural seems closest to correct and more appropriate, but it carries connotations in debate that draw attention create division. I would propose helmet/anteater, and maybe I can talk you into this being the standard terminology for this site as a means of avoiding these tirades into whether people like or don't like circumcision. Since I doubt this terminology will stick, then I propose that the uncut suck it up for a few more years, and try to stop upsetting the people who like being circumcised. Let them get on with their lives, and get on with yours.