Biden Denied Holy Communion

[Industrialsize]

He does it every time he says that he catholic and then says he’s for abortion. If he were to make the distinction between personal beliefs with what he believes is a greater good for everyone then he would have been fine. He has never made the distinction. I get were you’re coming from but he needs to make it clear. Most of the country had issues and worries with JFK becoming president because they believed the Church was going to run the country through him, so he had to make the distinction between his personal beliefs and what was best for the nation as a whole.

Pro-choice ≠ Pro-abortion

 

[anthagiox]

And I hope you understand that politics didn’t apply here as well. This was between a Catholic that strayed from his religious beliefs, then broadcasted it publicly. So when he walked into a church that Priest checked him and denied him communion because he forsook his beliefs. There is a difference between “yes I’m a Catholic but I’m pro abortion” and “yes I’m a Catholic and while abortion is against my own personal religious beliefs as your government representative I do understand that not everyone shares my beliefs and that some may feel it’s necessary for them”. Biden did the first and got his ass checked if he would have done the 2nd option he would have been fine.

Except, nobody is "pro-abortion" lmao; pro-choice is not pro-abortion. We all wish we lived in a world where abortion wasn't something that needed to be done, but we don't live in a utopian society and things happen where abortion is necessary. Spare me the details, because this is the same religion that spent decades hiding pedophiles within their own ranks, but seemingly draw the line at abortion.

 

[3HandsfulofDick]

I’m not pivoting on anything, you’re making it very personal because something bad happened to poor biden, going as far as to say that the Catholic Church not only condones child molestation but also encourages and makes it happen is kind of grotesque. Has it happened yes unfortunately but those were individuals and they were punished both legally and excommunicated by the church. It’s never been condoned or facilitated by the church at all. If you think the Catholic Church authorizes that then you are grossly mistaken. You however broadened the spectrum when you brought advocating for women’s rights into the mix. So I brought up the Muslim faith and how representatives of that faith say it’s ok and expected for the men of a family to stone to death a woman for something the men believe was shameful. The men have now committed an religious sanction murder and not legally punished for it. I figured that since you brought up religion impeding on women’s rights then we could talk about the Muslims as well. Or is this really because biden was personally affected and has nothing to do about women’s rights.

Hint: Roe v. Wade is about women reproductive rights.. In all honesty I’m not focused on Biden although he is the subject of this discussion. I am focused on a sinner trying to force his opinion on amother and denying him for having different point of view ... In addition you are citing mans opinion over God’s teaching . Point blank

 

[fireman1294]

Hint: Roe v. Wade is about women reproductive rights.. In all honesty I’m not focused on Biden although he is the subject of this discussion. I am focused on a sinner trying to force his opinion on amother and denying him for having different point of view ... In addition you are citing mans opinion over God’s teaching . Point blank

How do you know he is a sinner in the first place? You don’t honestly know, you’re just assuming because biden sinned that everyone else has sinned. That’s a big assumption to make as a whole.

 

[Industrialsize]

How do you know he is a sinner in the first place? You don’t honestly know, you’re just assuming because biden sinned that everyone else has sinned. That’s a big assumption to make as a whole.

Lapsed Catholic here, but I'm old enough to remember being taught that we are ALL sinners.......

 

[3HandsfulofDick]

Hint: Roe v. Wade is about women reproductive rights

How do you know he is a sinner in the first place? You don’t honestly know, you’re just assuming because biden sinned that everyone else has sinned. That’s a big assumption to make as a whole.

There was only perfect being who ever walked this Earth and he died over 2000 years ago...You mean the Catholic Church didn’t teach u that?

 

[fireman1294]

Lapsed Catholic here, but I'm old enough to remember being taught that we are ALL sinners.......

There was only perfect being who ever walked this Earth and he died over 2000 years ago...You mean the Catholic Church didn’t teach u that?

Seeing as your one track minds are for Biden here’s a track to think about. It doesn’t matter if you like the rules or not. There are rules, Biden broke them and the Priest using his authority checked him on him breaking them. If you don’t like those rules then join the church become a cardinal and help change them. If Biden is a devout as he says he is or acts like then he should have known better.

 

[Industrialsize]

Seeing as your one track minds are for Biden here’s a track to think about. It doesn’t matter if you like the rules or not. There are rules, Biden broke them and the Priest using his authority checked him on him breaking them. If you don’t like those rules then join the church become a cardinal and help change them. If Biden is a devout as he says he is or acts like then he should have known better.

I think you aren't understanding the concept that we are ALL sinners. That would include the priest denying a parishioner sacraments. The priest is a sinner as well.

But I left the Catholic Church years ago. I've taken Buddhist Renunciation and Bodhisattva vows with Lama Surya Das.

 

[malakos]

For the record, the Catholic Church DID NOT write the New Testament...I will explain ..

Where?

 

[LQC]

Don’t Pivot .. This discussion is about a Catholic priest invoking his opinion on another and denying him communion ...If Biden decides to become a Muslim then we can address it...

Ha. It’s a valid analogy that reveals hypocrisy.

 

[3HandsfulofDick]

Ha. It’s a valid analogy that reveals hypocrisy.

I think u need to follow the conversation before u out your 2 cents in...

 

[malakos]

Pro-choice ≠ Pro-abortion

For the purposes of discussing President Biden's standing as a Catholic who is also an outspokenly pro-choice politician, this is an irrelevant distinction. The Church treats pro-choice policy as condoning abortion, and therefore effectively pro-abortion.

 

[LQC]

There was only perfect being who ever walked this Earth and he died over 2000 years ago...You mean the Catholic Church didn’t teach u that?

Wasn’t Jesus a homosexual? Just asking.

 

[malakos]

And this is the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church.
What happened to “Forgiveness”?

Forgiveness and reconciliation are not the same thing. The former may be a necessary condition of the latter, but it's not sufficient. In the Catholic faith, one has to be reconciled to Christ by repentance to be in a state to receive Holy Communion rightly.

 

[malakos]

Mmmm I think they are the same. It’s not real Christian like either way is it?

They're definitely not. I can forgive someone I've been wronged by morally without that being sufficient for the two of us to be reconciled. In other words, forgiveness can be merely one-way, a change of the disposition of the offended towards the offender, whereas reconciliation has to be effected by the cooperation of the offender and the offended.

The point is that in the Catholic tradition, the Church is seen as mediating reconciliation of the faithful to Christ. If someone is staying attached to his/her sins, and is refusing to renounce them, then though God may forgive that person, and though the Church may forgive that person, he/she cannot be reconciled. What refusing to renounce one's sins really is is taking an oppositional stance against fellowship with Christ. Thus, it is impossible for such a person to benefit from receiving Holy Communion, and it is the responsibility of the ministers of the Church to bar that person from partaking, lest he/she "eateth and drinketh judgment" (1 Cor 11:29).

 

[Freddie53]

Lapsed Catholic here, but I'm old enough to remember being taught that we are ALL sinners.......

Yep! Saint Paul wrote that, "All fall short of the glory of God" The Bible makes it quite clear. Only one human has lived a perfect life, free from sin. That be Jesus, the only being that was and is fully human and fully God. Being fully God, Jesus rose from the dead.

One major fact is being ignored. This denial of communion for Biden has little if any relationship to the Bible, the church, or God.

It is all about politics. How is it that the press found about about this? It is doubtful that Biden told the press. In the Sundays before this happened and the Sundays since this happened, Biden has been receiving communion at the church where he is a member. That be a church in Deleware.

Biden was denied communion in the South. I am protestant. However, I have been made aware that in the Catholic Church the priest does not list all the people who came forward were denied communion for sin committed. A list provided with names and specific acts of sin that put each person on the do not serve communion to!

It appears to me that the priest involved committed much more sin because he used the Sacrament of Holy Communion for political gain. This is what got Pontius Pilot in a heap of trouble. Pilot signed Jesus' execution for political purposes, getting the Sandhibrin off his back.

This denial of communion was a political act, not a religious act. Proof: Biden is not denied communion in the town where Biden lives!

I am a member of a protestant church. Each person is to examine themselves as to whether they should take communion. I believe that the church only provides the liturgy and the sacraments for communion, not decide who should or should not receive communion. That is reserved for God to decide.

 

[twoton]

So no forgiveness like I said

That’s not correct.
In the most basic, fundamental sense it goes like this:
“I’m sorry.”

“You’re forgiven, but you have to change your ways.”

“I promise not to do it again.”

“Alrighty, then.”

 

[Freddie53]

So no forgiveness like I said

This depends on who did the bad deed that needed forgiving.

If a bad person does the deed and refuses to accept responsibility for his sin, is he forgiven?

If the good person has a bad deed done to them and forgives the person who did the bad deed refuses to admit to the bad deed and be sorry that he did it, is the bad person forgiven? Depending on your moral code the answer can be either, both or neither.

According to Christian theology, Jesus died on a cross for the sins of the entire world, past, present and future and is called the Atonement.

There is more to gong to heaven than the Atonement. God invites to his heaven and to his table at communion everyone.

Christian theology holds it that some refuse to accept to accept God's forgiveness of sin because to do that includes a promise to try to live a life lke Jesus lived. None of us can do it. We do need to "try to live a live like Jesus as we understand it to be."

One does not get into heaven by spewing hatred towards heaven or refusing to even try to get on the bus to heaven.

I'm using simplistic analogies trying to make the point that yes forgiveness does take place if only one side does the forgiving. If only one side does the forgiving then the communication between two becomes quite problematic.

Even though communication may still be totally blocked that does not negate the good of the forgiveness that one side gave.

If this was not so, then God would be the worst creature of all time because there are people who choose not to accept the gift of forgiveness. That would make God to be as bas a creature as the one creature who did all the sinning in the first place.

If creature A did some sinning and refused to accept forgiveness by creature B, that does not mean the the sins by creature A jump off creature A's back and jump on Creature B's back causing creature B to become sinful.

We are each responsible for our own sins. When the Judgement comes we will only have to answer for our own sins. Not the sins of others!

It is true that the wages of all sinners fall on everyone in this life. That does not mean the we are all held accountable. Only the ones that are guilty of a sin are held accountable by God for that sin.

Note: There are many different denominations. There will be differences among the different denominations on many subjects that we will not agree on this thread.

Even two members of the same denomination or church often disagree on these age old questions!

If a Protestant, Catholic and a Muslim answer a question, they will likely disagree if they answer the question with their religious' group's official answer.

I happen to believe that Jesus is the son of God and man. I also believe that God in some way comes to everyone and everyone is given a chance to get forgiveness and a chance to follow God regardless of what religion he or she understands.

I've read where the Pope has said that there will be Muslims, Jews, Christians, and Buddhists (and all others) in heaven. I'm liberal Protestant, but agree with the Pope who is Catholic!

 

[Freddie53]

very well put

Thanks!

 

[twoton]

nope

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