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Biden's 'fairness' for kids

Discussion in 'Politics' started by B_starinvestor, Oct 15, 2008.

  1. B_starinvestor

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    Biden: Its fair and patriotic to share, kids

    Responsible 12 year-old: That is wonderful.

    Lazy 12 year-old: Yeah. What he said.

    Biden: What grade did you get [Responsible 12 year-old]?

    Resp. 12 yr-old: an A Mr. Biden

    Biden: How about you [Lazy]?

    Lazy: a D-

    Biden: Well, [responsible kid] its patriotic and fair to share your A with [lazy]. You should take a B and he will get a C. That's fair. That is what sharing is all about.

    [responsible 12-year old]: but Mr. Biden I worked really hard for the A, and [lazy] didn't do anything. Why should I share?

    Biden: Because its fair and patriotic.

    [D- student]: yeah. I deserve a C

    Welcome to the Democratic Campaign. Share your 'A' into a 'B''

    Thanks Barry.
     
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    Yes poor people are lazy. Good point, bravo.
     
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    Thats hillarious but true :awink:
     
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    Didn't say that. But thanks for chiming in. You're great at putting words in other people's mouths.
     
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    What was your point? Lets drop the cutesy analogies.

    Maybe if you weren't trying to play silly games I wouldn't have to put words in your mouth.
     
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    But you did say it. The student who received the D- did so because he (she?) was "lazy": that's your word, even though there are plenty of other reasons why students sometimes receive low grades.

    Except that this had nothing to do with actual grades -- Biden's never spoken about any kind of social responsibility involving grade-sharing. So it's completely transparent that sinwin was spot-on and you're lying.
     
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    I know exactly what he meant, he's probably going to ignore this thread now.
     
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    I'm lying? If you walk out of a grocery store, and you get held up at gunpoint - and gunman demands you give $100 to a guy in the parking lot - is that 'sharing?'

    No. That's theft. If you choose to give $100 to the guy - that's sharing. No one, No one gets a D- if they try. Anyone will help someone who wants to help himself. Those that demand help -- undercut those who deserve and need it.
     
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    So yeah, you are saying that poor people are lazy. You're a piece of work.
     
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    You lied when you denied characterizing poor people as lazy. You did indeed make this assertion.
     
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    Not only did he say that, but he ended the tirade about Biden's policy position with the words "Thanks, Barry".

    Apparently Barry Biden shouldn't be teaching 12-year-olds.
     
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    Nope. I maintain this position: Lazy people are lazy. Some poor people are lazy. Some poor people are victims of circumstance. Some need help and deserve help. Some demand and expect help. That's indisputable.

    O'Biden shouldn't be teaching 12-year olds with his version of 'fairness.' Cuz it ain't fairness he's preaching. Its redistribution. It isn't 'fair' to anybody but those recieving the 'redistribution.' Some deserve and need...some don't. But if Joe Schmoe is providing it, Joe Gimme ain't gonna tell him about it. Er, O'Biden is in charge of that.

    I'm for programs that benefit the unfortunate. I'm not for O'Biden telling me how to redistribute the dollars that I earn. I'd like to make the decision myself, thank you.
     
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    And since when is life fair? You're not for Obama taking your dollars, and I'm not for McCain taking mine, someone always gets the short end of the stick. The last 8 years it's been everyone but the wealthy, this next 4, possibly 8, it's going to be the wealthy, deal with it, we did.
     
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    Do you object to redistributing your dollars to satisfy a Halliburton no-bid contract? To redistributing your dollars to bailing out AIG? How about redistributing your dollars to the central banks of foreign countries like China to pay interest on the rapidly growing national debt? Redistributing your dollars to buy nicer body armor for dogs than our troops get?

    Why do you call it "redistribution" only when it's for a noble and generous purpose?
     
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    Life isn't fair. I agree. Someone once told me, 'the only fair you can expect in life...comes to town about once a year..stays about a week..and then heads to the next county.'

    That being said, if you oppose a McCain Admin - I really can't argue with you. But Obama is hammering a small contingency with a big dose of taxes. He is forcing his will on people that are productive and crucial to this nation. How can you argue with that?
     
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    And now Starinvestor backpedals. See, when you make up silly stories, it gives you room to do that.

    I love how the new republican talking point is that progressive taxation is some kind of robin hood scheme. If you don't want the government redistributing your wealth, stop paying taxes altogether.
     
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    Nice loaded language. You're saying that progressive taxation is counterproductive to the economy. That makes you a supply-sider.

    Burden of proof is on you to show this. Once you've proved it, I'll start alerting the media, since I haven't actually seen anyone else do it.
     
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    Honestly, I didn't oppose the McCain admin until 1)he chose Palin, and 2)our financial system almost collapsed. My view on the matter is 95% of the country is more important than that small contingency of 5%, who are already well off and will be well off no matter what the tax situation is. Right now the 5% can afford extra taxes, while most of that 95% can barely afford the rates they have right now. We are not in a traditional situation here, it's time to help those who are struggling. The Bush admin has been forcing their will on that 95% for the last 8 years, it's time for the system to benefit them for a few years. You want things to be fair, that is about as fair as it gets...besides, that 5% of people are NOT the only creators of jobs, small business creates more jobs than big business, and most small business owners do not make over $250,000 a year, whereas all big business owners and executives do. They can afford to give a little more money right now to help this crisis. Why take from the poor and make them suffer even more when we can take from the rich and have it hardly effect them? Where's the patriotism?
     
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    Haha. Help me understand how I am backpedaling.:biggrin1: A joke.

    I expect to pay taxes. I would be more effective with my earnings than Barry or Obiden - and by attacking a small % of the population with outrageous taxes (that would never vote Dem anyway) they are working their constituents perfectly.

    We already have progressive taxes. I've never complained about progressive taxes. Its going to a new level. It isn't Robin Hood, its rape. Funny, 95% of taxpayers are getting a tax cut. Weird thing is, 40% of people don't even pay taxes. They will just get a check, compliments of Barry and Obiden.

    Well, the D- student will get propped up. Thanks, Barry.
     
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    False. It's going to an old level. Specifically, he's proposed repealing Bush's tax cuts from 2001 and 2003, so the tax rates will be back at the level they were at when we last had a balanced federal budget.

    Not a new level.

    The guy who calls women "whores" also thinks paying taxes is comparable to rape. Oink, oink.
     
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    Why can't you understand we aren't experiencing a normal American economic situation right now? A LOT of people who are struggling right now are struggling for reasons beyond their control. They can't help the fact that their money is now worth less than it has been in their entire lives; they can't help the fact that prices for almost every product and service have increased dramatically; they can't help the fact a good portion of their retirement money went down the drain; they can't help the fact that employers won't increase their wages; and they can't help the fact that governmental mismanagement is what lead to all of these problems. Our crisis goes far beyond the burst of the housing bubble. This is a problem the government has created, and now we expect the government to fix it. Thanks Dubya, you've really divided our country and made the lives of the majority of our population a living hell. I expect suicide rates will be on the rise shortly. Again, thanks Dubya.
     
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    I do understand that, Lucky8. But gouging dollars from the small business community isn't the answer. I'm not suggesting that the working class should be targeted, but the working class will be the first to go when businesses are pushed into a corner by Barry/Obiden. Small business owners are already preparing for employee cuts, benefit/holiday cuts and space reductions thanks to the Barry effect.
     
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    The repeal of the Bush tax cuts is only a small part of the new plan. He's raising the ceiling on FICA taxes from 100K to 250K. The FICA burden is 15.3%. For a small business owner - the additional FICA exposure is [15.3% x 150k] = $22k additional...on top of the increased progressive tax table. That's at least 1 employee out of a job for each small business.

    If the small business owner isn't making $250k, he's most likely out of business anyway.

    Fuck it. I hope something works. Right now this whole situation just sucks beyond belief.



    Ah, my bad. Women that are fucking married men deserve a much more respectful term.
     
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    Well, I guess that 5% of people are going to have to rethink the size of their house, and purchase a new one that they can actually afford, you know, live within their means.:wink:

    It is sad that they would rather lay people off than adjust their personal lives, while expecting everyone else to adjust so they can benefit.

    By the way, small businesses who don't offshore their activities will be receiving tax breaks for every new employee hired. This should help to offset those "astronomical" tax hikes that most small businesses WON'T incur since the majority of small business owners DON'T make over $250,000.
     
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    You made this claim yesterday, and were asked to cite it, but haven't done so yet.
     
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    $250k goes quickly in slow economic cycles. Take a car dealership, for example. The owner of the lot pledges personal assets to put inventory on the lot. If it doesn't sell, the owner is on the hook for the unsold inventory.

    Take the convenience store owner. Hurricane Ike shuts down the gas distribution system. The store owner can't sell gas and has no customers. He/she loses food, pays employees and benefits, and has no revenue. Owner is covering everything out of his/her pocket.

    How about restaurant owner? Nobody is going out to eat. He pays rent/mortgage, utils, staff, food costs - little to no revenue coming in. Now he has additional taxes? He's paying for food, chef, servers, etc. etc.

    Life's really not that rosey for this business community. The banks are calling back loans, lines of credit. Its pretty bad, lucky8.
     
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    Thanks for taking me back to my 1st Entrepreneurship class, I know all of these things. You're straying from the point. We're talking about taxes here, not hurricane Ike. I promise you that in most instances, that convience store owner is not making more than $250,000 a year. He may have over $250,000 in sales, but not in profit. Thus, the tax hike will not affect him.

    Same goes for that restaurant owner. He may be making over $250,000 in sales, but probably not over $250,000 in profit. Thus, the tax hike will not affect him either.

    As for the car dealer, well, fuck him, he's making over $250,000 in personal profit, he's already well off. His business is doomed regardless of tax hike or no tax hike, as long as he's trying to sell American cars that is.
     
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    Okay. You got it figured out.
     
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    Obama's Social Security Fine Print - WSJ.com

    I'm headed for bed. Here's one reference (above). Its a right-wing article, but it addresses the FICA issue. I'll find more tomorrow, but this is part of his proposal.
     
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