Then I'll change the name of the thread until I can post a ruler pic. And you're right, it is only 8.3 with the ruler pressed hard into my pubic bone and the curve straightened out... and even then it was only once. So I guess that's reaching a bit. Usually it's at 8 (still pressed and with the curve straightened)
Edit: it seems I can't change the name? Probably should have checked before I said I would. Oops.