Bill Clinton - Favorability Rating

[cocktaste]

I don't care that Clinton got a blowjob from an intern and I'm not aghast that he lied about it, though that he did so deliberately and repeatedly on national television doesn't sit well with me. But I'm not aghast. Still, when does committing or not committing perjury have anything at all to do with whether or not you think the quetsion should have been asked? It's been proven Clinton was a liar, and did so under oath, which means perjury Zora whether you like it or not. The defintion has absolutely nothing at all to do with what is being lied about. Bush is probably a liar. I don't think it's really been proven at this point, though the evidence is quite substantial. Were his lies more egregious and damaging to the country? Without question. Does that mean Clinton isn't a liar or that he failed to commit perjury? No.

It was nobody's fucking business. The initial reason they spent all the taxpayer money on going after Bill Clinton was because of the rhetoric put forth by the likes of Jerry Falwell claiming that Clintons were murderers, look it up, it's beyond hilarious, Whitewater, which the Clintons were exonorated from twice by two different commissions, and even that Clinton was a convicted felon draft dodger, which he wasn't. They expected to find all this and more that were fantasies made up in their Right wing small brains. What did they find? An affair. Having nothing else, they needed to blow this up in order to feel as though they were justified in their actions. Every single account that was no one's business, was brought up to pump up their next to non-existant case. Look at the quotes of Mark Foley, Newt Gingrich and the rest of the lot on Bill Clinton while their were diddling young boys, and leaving their cancer ridden wives on their death beds to go with their mistresses.

George Bush has broken every law known to mankind and his attorneys even know it telling him specifically that at any time they could be tried for war crimes. Want a flat out lie, refer to Yellow Cake Uranium. Bush was told specifically that this was not true and he used it anyway to trump up going to war with Iraq. The man is a scumbag like the rest of his party. Let's not forget wiretapping, oh yea, and outting the CIA, listening Mr. Cheney? Cherry picking intelligence to get the war that you want that has killed tons of people has to be the most treasonist act ever seen in the US.

 

[cocktaste]

One of the largest problems we have in this country is an electorate that doesn't hold the government fully accountable. The Congress continues spending as usual, the executive branch continues to put us in wars without a declaration of war, and the judicial branch has usurped the powers of both the legislative and executive branches.
People go vote, don't do anything else but bitch for the next 2 years, and wonder why the country is so screwed up. Not even half the eligible voters turn out to vote for president.

The same idiots that supplied intelligence to this fool are the ones that gave lyndon johnson his info on Vietnam. We all know how that turned out.

And for everyone who hasn't read her bio, Hillary was head of the republican student org at Wellesley. Her youth minister at Wellesley took them to hear Saul D. Alinsky. He was a well known leftist who used his intellect and charisma to persuade rising young adults to get involved in making radical changes by upsetting the current system. She wrote a large part of her thesis on him. She even elevated him to equal status with Martin Luther King. The Clinton White House called Wellesley and got it sealed for 8 years. Now, you can see it but you can't copy all of it.

For those of you in favor of socialized medicine, I have a friend in Scotland who is now crippled because it takes so long to get the care you need. He needed an mri and immediate surgery on his neck. It took over a year for the government to approve the mri. When they did his surgery, 2 years had passed, and the damage had been done. A lady in her 70s badly needed shoulder surgery and 7 months later, she still hadn't had it. It's just too cost prohibitive. The new senior drug program this F pres got, is costing the United States so much money it threatens to bankrupt the country.

I say put them all out of business and vote new peeps into office.

Pecker for President! Naughty, you can be the new speaker of the house.

Wow so much bullshit is hysterical. Tell that to the millions of Americans who have no health coverage, businesses sending their work overseas to Japan where they have health care like every other industrialized country because businesses do not want to be in the health care industry. The crisis with their health care industry itself which will HAVE to be fixed anyway. It is costing us too much with tons of people uninsured running to emergency rooms. What has been proposed is allowing people to keep their current coverage but if you are not covered you would now be put into a plan and would have to be covered by law. This will help the population, businesses, and cutting the cost to taxpayers.

Hillary Clinton was a Goldwater Republican and campaigned immensely for him.

You cannot get a college document sealed. It was the college's property, not the government's, (more Right wing bullshit). A 21 year old's essay is pretty ridiculous. What does this have to do with today? You would have to twist every word and act as though you knew what she was writing about. Time to create some fiction.

 

[B_NineInchCock_160IQ]

It was nobody's fucking business.

so what?

Next time I go to court for a speeding ticket I'm going to hope I get a liberal judge and use the "it's none of your business" defense.

What's your source for Bush being specifically told that the yellow cake uranium story was false before he put it into the state of the union? It was proven fales in March of 2002. The State of the Union address was in January of 2002. There were doubts before that of the intelligence report's authenticity, but nothing I'm aware of has been produced to show that Bush knew for a fact that it was false before March of 2002. He made two references to this intelligence before that. One fairly direct reference during a speech in Ohio, and the more famous and much more vague reference he made in that year's State of the Union.

Provide a source or try again.

 

[amiegrrl]

Are you joking or are we thinking of different white men?

I wasn't joking; I was speaking of white males' contributions to global society over history as a whole. Versus "people of color" (that label makes me laugh ... albinos were the minority last I knew) and females. I'm obviously no history professor (socialist nor otherwise), but you can't tell me that the contributions white men have made to our world, in the entirety of history have been more historically significant than those of "minorities" and women. But... I learned very little about anything but old white guys in school. And very little of what I learned was complete fact.

 

[amiegrrl]

so what?

Next time I go to court for a speeding ticket I'm going to hope I get a liberal judge and use the "it's none of your business" defense.

LOL .. You speeding, in a 2,000-pound automobile on roads where I drive is my business and is a crime.

Now, the next time you get a free blow-job from a consenting adult and are forced to testify about it in court as if it were a crime - let's hope you have a liberal judge. (Let's hope it's not in Bush's Supreme Court)

 

[cocktaste]

Perhaps you could list me the time when over 80 Americans were killed by the ATF/FBI under W's watch.

How about the time when an American Mother holding her baby was shot by an FBI sniper along with the time when a young boy was shot running away from an FBI sniper under W's watch?

How about naming the attack when, after U. S. property and embassies were bombed five times, W. responded with the bombing of an aspirin factory?

Also, what military secrets were sold by W. to gain contributions to the Republican party?

And as I recall, didn't W. serve in the military, while coward Clinton went to Stockholm and Moscow to show his support for the Communists while brave American soldiers were being killed BY THE THOUSANDS in Vietnam to defend the free world?

Liberals can never argue on facts, they always use emotion. The do gooders always want to act on THEIR EMOTIONS with OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. If that's not the definition of a liberty thief, I don't know what is.

AHAHAHA.

Clinton went where? Oops, sorry, you're wrong again. Look up Mr. Cheney.

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Bill Clinton Draft Dodger?

The wingnuts who care what everyone does in their personal lives again feel so inferior that they have to make up total bullshit to support their unfounded claims.

The Anatomy of A Smear:
Anatomy of a Smear | TIME
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,976769,00.html?iid=chix-sphere

 

[B_Think_Kink]

Ooops... I picked unfavorable... thought we were talking about Bush.. shows that I read...

Anyhow favorable, even though he lied about getting a blowjob or something...probably a few other things too... (keeping in mind I'm only 19, and we didn't exactly study US' problems then)

 

[SteveHd]

Having nothing else, they needed to blow this up in order to feel as though they were justified in their actions.

Is that referring to Starr Wars?:smile:

Note: The text in the image is difficult to read. I've reproduced it below.

It is a period of civil lawsuits. A horny President, investigated by a relentless Special Prosecutor, claims "I did not have sex with that woman. Miss Lewinksy."

During the tumultuous legal battle, the evil Special Prosecutor managed to obtain lurid testimony from Miss Lewinsky about the Commander-In-Chief's dark side and THE DEATH CIGAR, a bizarre sexual prop with enough power to destroy an entire Presidency.

Pursued by an ever-vigilant Republican Congress, the embattled President desperately hides behind his lawyers, custodians of the flimsy defense that he hopes can save his political ass...
​

 

[madame_zora]

so what?

Next time I go to court for a speeding ticket I'm going to hope I get a liberal judge and use the "it's none of your business" defense.

I really don't know what's going on with you. Surely you understand the difference between driving in a manner that threatenes the safety of others, and getting head. Next time you go to court accused of something that is not illegal, like eating sushi the previous evening, then you can tell the judge that it's none of his business. If you're really suggesting that everyone who has had or IS having an affair should be forced to reveal the details of such in court, then that's just patently ridiculous.

Sometimes in the attempt to remain impartial, one can become an absurdist. You are getting close.

What's your source for Bush being specifically told that the yellow cake uranium story was false before he put it into the state of the union? It was proven fales in March of 2002. The State of the Union address was in January of 2002. There were doubts before that of the intelligence report's authenticity, but nothing I'm aware of has been produced to show that Bush knew for a fact that it was false before March of 2002. He made two references to this intelligence before that. One fairly direct reference during a speech in Ohio, and the more famous and much more vague reference he made in that year's State of the Union.

Provide a source or try again.

Why provide a source? I provided a prefectly good example, and you dismissed it with a really stupid line of reasoning, or lack thereof. I can't see why anyone else would bother telling you things you've had plenty of opportunity to learn yourself over the last six years. Of course, I believe you do know, and for some reason I can't fathom, are being willfully obtuse.

For mine, bush and his cabinet were read the brief that Osama bin Laden had threatened to blow up the twin towers with planes. I couldn't find the clip on youtube any longer, but it was also in Farenheit 9/11. Before you piss and moan about Michael Moore as you are wont to do, please remember that he had nothing to do with this part of film footage. You can't dismiss everything he touches as untrue just because you don't like him.

Sure, bush could have "forgotten" the brief was discussed, as could Condoleeza, cheney and the rest of the clan, but if all of them are really that clueless about a matter that serious (which I don't believe for one second), then that is equallly if not MORE problematic.

If bush is caught red-faced lying, and you come along and say "maybe he just forgot", then I really can't help you. Maybe he just forgot everything he's lied about, but that's not my problem. He's either a liar, an extreme idiot, or a touch of both, nomatter how you slice it.

 

[B_NineInchCock_160IQ]

LOL .. You speeding, in a 2,000-pound automobile on roads where I drive is my business and is a crime.

I've never gotten a speeding ticket on any road that you were driving on.

 

[need2bfilled]

The Clinton's, collectively, are the most shameful embarassment that this nation has ever endured...

 

[B_NineInchCock_160IQ]

Sometimes in the attempt to remain impartial, one can become an absurdist. You are getting close.

and often in not even attempting to be impartial, one is probably already an absurdist. Whether or not it was anybody's business does not change the fact that Clinton lied under oath. How many times do we really have to go over that?

 

[B_All4show]

Here's a few:

Don't Ask, Don't Tell
Dysfucntional welfare reform
NAFTA support
firing Jocelyn Elders

That is the stuff he did right.

 

[invisibleman]

The Clinton's, collectively, are the most shameful embarassment that this nation has ever endured...

I think that you have forgotten that President Clinton put America into a
surplus from a Republican Presidential Administration left deficit. He WAS elected two terms. Now, we have President Bush, Jr....coming in on a Democratic Presidential Administration surplus and he created an escalating war deficit in the billions. And the American public elected HIM twice?!!! Who is MORE embarrassing the Bushes? Or, the people who exploited a fallable voting system? That is what got Bush, Jr. in there twice.

 

[B_NineInchCock_160IQ]

I wasn't joking; I was speaking of white males' contributions to global society over history as a whole. Versus "people of color" (that label makes me laugh ... albinos were the minority last I knew) and females. I'm obviously no history professor (socialist nor otherwise), but you can't tell me that the contributions white men have made to our world, in the entirety of history have been more historically significant than those of "minorities" and women. But... I learned very little about anything but old white guys in school. And very little of what I learned was complete fact.

Well I'll ignore for a second that the entire concept of race is a fallacy, since you are using it in the same exclusionary way against white males as white males would use it against everyone else. For the sake of argument, I'll also use the definition of "white male" that the "fucktards" you referenced earlier are probably using, because I'm sure all of those included in their definition would be people that you learned about in school, which I'm sure also had far more to do with tracing linear history from the dominant cultures of the 20th and 21st centuries (those that benefitted most from the industrial revolution) back to their most logical origins, and far less to do with race or sex, but whatever. By that definition, then white males probably include the Athenians, the Romans, most Jews (maybe even the early Egyptians), the English, the French, the founding fathers of the United States and quite a few other Americans, among others. The short list of their accomplishments include founding Democracy, starting the Industrial Revolution, inventing electricity, landing on the moon, splitting the atom, laying the foundations for some of the most influential religions in history, inventing the automobile and the assembley line, and other cultural, social and scientific contributions far too numerous to list here. I can't even begin to fathom the level of bias and animosity toward "white males" that must be festering in you for whatever reason that would lead you to even attempt to assert something like they hadn't contributed anything to society. I feel like you've got a lot more to back up than I do, so please, if you're so inclined, do share what enormous accomplishments so dwarf and minimize everything I listed and the thousands or millions of things I did not...

 

[B_All4show]

I think that you have forgotten that President Clinton put America into a
surplus from a Republican left deficit. He WAS elected two terms. Now, we have President Bush, Jr....coming in on a Democratic surplus and he created an escalating war deficit in the billions. And the American public elected HIM twice?!!! Who is MORE embarrassing the Bushes? Or, the people who exploited a fallable voting system? That is what got Bush, Jr. in there twice.

By repeating something over and over; does it make it true? Bill Clinton was forced by the first Replublican congress to balance the budget and keep goverment in check. If any one can lay claim to the economy in those years it is Newt and Greenspan.

I would have to look it up for exact numbers, but Clinton was elected both times with less than 50% of the vote. Clinton's popularity is shining example of his greatness?

 

[B_Cocktale]

Anyone who can possibly excuse the excesses and abuses of the existing administration cannot possibly be working with a full deck.

Compared to King George William Jefferson Clinton was a gift from God Himself.

Arguing to the contrary with anyone who defends the idiot in charge right now is an exercise in self-flagellation.

They are blind.

 

[B_All4show]

I wasn't joking; I was speaking of white males' contributions to global society over history as a whole. Versus "people of color" (that label makes me laugh ... albinos were the minority last I knew) and females. I'm obviously no history professor (socialist nor otherwise), but you can't tell me that the contributions white men have made to our world, in the entirety of history have been more historically significant than those of "minorities" and women. But... I learned very little about anything but old white guys in school. And very little of what I learned was complete fact.

Who are you calling white? Name the countries and the eras? Is America White today? Are the Italians 400 years ago white? Were the Spanish and French 400 years ago white, but now "people of color" since they immigrated to Mexico?

 

[B_All4show]

Anyone who can possibly excuse the excesses and abuses of the existing administration cannot possibly be working with a full deck.

Compared to King George William Jefferson Clinton was a gift from God Himself.

Arguing to the contrary with anyone who defends the idiot in charge right now is an exercise in self-flagellation.

They are blind.

Then why post?

 

[B_NineInchCock_160IQ]

I really don't know what's going on with you.

::gasp:: because I agreed with Big Dirigible four threads in a row (though I'm still perfectly willing to call him obnoxious, as also evinced in recent threads) and now I'm stating the plain and obvious and simple FACT that Clinton committed perjury... now I'm on your shit list Zora? sad... so incredibly sad...
There is NOTHING going on with me. Take a breath. Take a valium. Throw a blanket over the dartboard in the corner with Georgie Bush's face stuck to it for a second and read my posts. They're as sane and sensible as ever. For as much crap as liberals love to give the Bush administration (and RIGHTLY SO!!!) for never accepting responsibility for anything, for denying wrong doing no matter HOW substantial the evidence stacked against them is, for never admitting a mistake or apologizing, for not owning up to things that are OBVIOUS to everyone else.... say one PERCEIVED-as-negative thing against Bill Clinton, that is indisputable incontrovertible fact.. such as he lied under oath... and there will be hell to pay. I have even said that I felt Bush's crimes had been far worse than Clinton's lie about Monica Lewinsky. what the fuck else do you crazy people want from me? A lie is a lie is a lie. It makes no fucking difference who's business was what. That doesn't change the definition of what "lie" is. Unless you are using some different defintion for the word "is," of course.

Surely you understand the difference between driving in a manner that threatenes the safety of others, and getting head.

Yes, I do. I have never driven in a manner that threatened others and been ticketed for it. Most of my speeding tickets are from 3 in the morning on perfectly straight roads where the nearest car was 500 yards away except for the cop hiding in the bushes on the side of the road. Even then, I wasn't driving at unsafe speeds. I got a ticket because the State likes getting money from me. That's beside the point though. Completely beside the point. If I went to court for a sodomy charge or for soliciting a prostitute... I could say it was none of the judge's business. and it wouldn't be. I'd probably still be found guilty. But Clinton didn't say it wasn't anyone's business. He said "I did not have sex with that woman." Which was a lie. If I were asked about my sexlife in court I may also lie about it. Would that be the right thing to do? I don't fucking care, that's not what I'm talking about and never has been. Would it be a lie if I lied about it? I can't believe I feel like I have to answer that. If I lied under oath to a grand jury would I be committing perjury? Yes, I would be. Would I be as bad a person as George Bush for doing so? Probably not. Is this REALLY SOO DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW?? I feel like I'm at work right now.

If you've forgotten, I teach preschoolers who don't speak English as a first language...

Why provide a source? I provided a prefectly good example, and you dismissed it with a really stupid line of reasoning, or lack thereof.

I fail to see how anything I said was really stupid. Fuck you very much, too. Also, I wasn't asking you for a source. I was asking for a source about the uranium thing, which from EVERY CREDIBLE thing on the internet I can find, even from the purportedly liberal Wikipedia, there is NO evidence that Bush out-and-out lied about this. Obliquely referencing unnamed questionable intelligence reports in a State of the Union address that you may or may not have believed to be true... this equals a bald-face lie? In your book, maybe.

Are you implying that just because we don't like George Bush that anyone ought to be able to say anything they want to about him without backing it up and without being held accountable for their words and it should just be perfectly peachy? I wouldn't be terribly surprised if that was in fact your argument, not if you're going to try and defend that colossal asshat liar Moore. But you do realize you're being a total hypocrite, right? You have no problem jumping in with myself and others on the forum when we hold JQB's or BD's feet to the fire when they make some biased or fallacious claim about some evil liberal agenda. Yet when someone pulls something completely out of their ass, like Bush knew for a fact that Iraq had not sought yellow cake uranium from Africa prior to the 2002 State of the Union, we should just let it slide?

I can't see why anyone else would bother telling you things you've had plenty of opportunity to learn yourself over the last six years.

You mean like why the WTC wasn't an inside job? All I asked for, in a perfectly amicable way, out of plain curiosity with zero malice and no desire to be adversarial... was one example. You said you could provide me a list. I didn't want a list. I just wanted one example. I'm not a Bush apologist. If you don't see that you are completely gone.

Of course, I believe you do know, and for some reason I can't fathom, are being willfully obtuse.

pot. kettle.




The footage about the brief proves absolutely nothing. I gave VERY good very intelligent reasons why that you dismissed as stupid.