Bill Clinton gets passionate and emboldened discussing DADT and DOMA

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  1. D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse

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    This is Bill Clinton addressing a crowd this weekend -- when blogger/activist Lane Hudson stands up and interrupts him (like those crazy astroturf "grassroots" conservative agitators at recent healthcare townhall meetings) asking, "Mr. President, will you call for a repeal of DOMA and Don't Ask, Don't Tell? Right now?"

    Maybe it's because I'm reading Randy Shilts' book "The Mayor of Castro Street" right now.... and my mind is stuck in the 1960's and '70's regarding gay rights.... but Bill Clinton seems to give a forcefull, passionate (IMPASSIONED!), striking response. I've never heard an american president speak so dynamically about gay rights.


    Change is slow, yes --- but we've come a long, long way since Stonewall and no political power.

    YouTube - Clinton Interrupted at Netroots Nation; answers on DADT & DOMA

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    Also... from today's Politico.com:


    "The {Obama} Justice Department this morning quietly modified its line on same-sex marriage to match Obama's formal statements, walking back earlier briefs that angered gay and lesbian allies, Josh Gerstein reports:

    "This Administration does not support DOMA as a matter of policy, believes that it is discriminatory, and supports its repeal," the new brief from Justice Department lawyer Scott Simpson said. The brief then goes on to explain why DOJ is vigorously defending the measure it opposes."


    And this on Huffington Post, from an Associated Press article:

    Obama Administration: DOMA, Anti-Gay Marriage Law, Unfair

    AP -- The Obama administration filed court papers Monday claiming a federal marriage law discriminates against gays, even as government lawyers continued to defend it.


    Obama Administration: DOMA, Anti-Gay Marriage Law, Unfair

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    The Obama administration seems to be changing it's line on gay marriage (or at least DOMA)... and seems to be arguing that DOMA is now unconstitutional -- even though the Obama DOJ is still forced to support DOMA in some existing cases -- a contradictionary position.
     
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  3. D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse

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    Sorry, VB.

    Got excited when I heard Clinton say this -- and did not check the new politics menu here.



    Notice that the Obama DOJ is changing its tune on DOMA also.


    While hicks and hacks like Trinity and others try to stir discontent by claiming Obama is doing nothing -- or making empty promises -- he seems to be acting behind the scenes, quietly, to put in place a platform for change (DADT will supposedly be repealed by year's end).



    EDIT: If the mods want to move my comments to the existing thread, that's fine by me.
     
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    Nah... no need to delete the thread.
    If the birthers can have multiple threads based on their.... ummmmm, beliefs? Then we can have multiple ones on DOMA.
     
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    Bill Clinton is the American President? Not for quite a while, now.

    He has no more to say about government policy now than Harry Truman or Herbert Hoover did in the decades after their days in the Oval Office.

    Or rather, he can say whatever he wants, but it's of no consequence. Whatever he thought it expedient to do re. "gay rights," he missed his chance - should have done it when he could. Now he's just trying to grab credit for not doing something. Shabby, deceptive, and ... typically Clintonian.
     
  6. Bodaddio

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    Why act behind the scenes and be quiet? Stand up and be either the ban is in place or there will be no ban on gays. I thought this was going to be an open and transparent government?

    Cheers
     
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    There's a difference between "an" and "the". :rolleyes:
     
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    If you think that President Clinton has no influence in the Democratic party, you are Naive. And, fwiw, past Presidents are still correctly referred to as President.

    DADT is a law passed by CONGRESS and needs to be repealed by CONGRESS. President Obama has been very clear that he wants it repealed and has set things in motion. Now it's time for congress to act.
     
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    There have been and will be many Presidents of the United States of America, but Bill Clinton is the American President. God where would this country be without him or is term, I shudder to think.
     
  10. Bodaddio

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    But he was a President and with that deserves the respect the title warrants as well as the title.

    He didn't answer the question, instead he laid blame on everyone else. I am glad he had passion when he was pointing the finger, he should have had passion when he was trying to pass a bill. He should have had a belief in it, either for or against and stand up for it. Not give a wishy washy watered down mess DODT is/was.

    Cheers
     
  11. Bodaddio

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    I don't think President Obama has been clear. He said one thing to the gay community to get the vote then changed. He should stand up say this is what I think, this is what is right and either put the questioning and whatever to end. I want the ban lifted, or the ban will stay in place. Get on one side of the fence and do something.

    Cheers
     
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    That is one of the problems that several people have with Obama. He's trying to stand on the tightrope and pander to both sides while coming to a solution. And more and more, it's becoming clear that the two sides don't want anything to do with one another.
     
  13. Bodaddio

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    You are right there Vinyl! How did we get to this point. You have an R next to your name, you have ilk and are a liar. You have D next to your name and you are a communist, or a socialist. It has gotten to the point where we just worry about the party not the country.
    Sir be the President of the greatest country on the planet. Be a leader, do what is right, not what will get you more votes.

    Cheers
     
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