Bill Gates helps fund mass circumcision programme

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  1. clear

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    Not a bad idea at all. Circumcision is supposed to reduce HIV transmission rates, and Africa needs all the help it can get.
     
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    It didn't seem to in circumcised USA, did it?

    You want to help Africa, don't fund ignorance. Get a condom on your knob, fuckers.
     
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    QFT.
    Ignorance is bliss until they're HIV+.
     
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    It seems stupid to me. Are they going to circumcise the women too? HIV is a big hetero problem there because there are other STDs that people have that make HIV transmission easier.

    I think that things might get worse with people thinking (and being told) that being cut prevents HIV. :rolleyes:
     
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    Very true. I'm very worried men will go off and have unprotected sex thinking they're protected when they're not. It's almost like they want more Africans to get HIV. It's revolting and dangerous. I can't imagine being told, "OK, now that you're circumcised don't forget you STILL need to ALWAYS use a condom!" How many men will think, 'WTF?? Why did I go through this?' and get angry and resentful at yet more western attempts to patronize Africa as if it was still the white man's burden?
     
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    The man/organization has more money than sense.Will the US ever get over its obsession with circumcision?!...
     
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    Nope.

    Nor on treating Africans as nothing more than guinea pigs that are only good for throwing money (instead of training and manpower) at.
     
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    Why don't you take your concerns to the World Health Organization based in Switzerland since THEY are the ones making the recommendation?


    WHO and UNAIDS announce recommendations from expert consultation on male circumcision for HIV prevention
     
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    Sargon20: Yeah, I can just imagine the bulk of posters here (since the political flavor is overwhelmingly left of center) saying something critical of a UN organization. That's not going to happen. It would be heresy.
     
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    Why don't you suggest to your Commander-in-chief to declare war on Zimbabwe and liberate so many blacks from poverty?

    If circumcision was so effective at reducing HIV/AIDS, then why is there a population of infected in the USA?
     
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    And you do have a 10 inch dick! :p
    The UN is great at shouting bullshit and really bad at action. Yeah, lets have members talk to each other, and lead to abolutely nothing. Take Swine flu as an example. It didn't come out of nowhere and rare as heck, but now it's at pandemic level? Shit, remind me not to ever catch a normal flu!
     
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    I would address both but it's clear you lack the most basic of reasoning skills. Both your points are shockingly clueless.
     
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    Get off your high horse already. This isn't the politics sub-forum and I don't feel a need to start writing another essay on either the differences in antigen variability between h1n1 vs h2n2 and the danger of hybridisation (what apparently happened in the Spanish flu pandemic post WWII I believe) or whether a scenario in which all men in Africa were circumcised would prevent women from passing on the disease through child birth as well as men through anal sex or other dangerous blood-sharing activities.

     
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    Clean water would do them more good than genital cutting. I feel ashamed of the U.S.A. sometimes.
     
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    It's good to see he's still got his money and didn't lose it to Bernie Madoff.

    At any rate, it's nice to see he's doing something with his money other than just expanding his evil empire. Then again maybe this will be the new prerequisite for having microsoft programs-either be circumcised or married/partnered to a circumcised man.
     
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    I think The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation has done a lot of good in the world, especially in the fight against AIDS in Africa.

    I also know that circumcision has been shown to curb AIDS transmission by more than half. I know, the anti-circumcision crowd here will jump all over me for stating scientific facts, but they're out there.

    Male Circumcision and Risk for HIV Transmission: Implications for the United States | Factsheets | CDC HIV/AIDS

    I also think it's incredibly ignorant and shortsighted to act as if condoms are the ultimate solution to AIDS in Africa. If circumcisions will help reduce the amount of AIDS transmission there, and it has been proven that it they will, it is a worthwhile endeavor.

    I think Africa in general needs all the help it can get in stopping the AIDS epidemic there, and given that numerous studies have shown circumcision to reduce AIDS transmission in Africa, it is a great idea for them to fund it.
     
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    Contradictory findings. The whole circ/HIV thing is going to implode eventually, but apparently not until a lot of men are harmed in the meantime. Then the question is how to get guys to wear condoms consistently after part of their sensation [manhood] has been permanently ablated?

    BBC NEWS | Health | HIV circumcision study ends early

    Circumcising men who already have HIV does not protect their female partners from the virus, a study in Uganda has found.

    Circumcision is known to protect men from acquiring HIV.

    But the research, from the Lancet, showed no benefit in those who already had the virus and was stopped early because of the continued risk to women.

    Experts say HIV-positive men should still be offered circumcision, but also warned to use condoms.

    The US researchers, from Johns Hopkins School of Public Health in Baltimore, say not offering the procedure to men with HIV would stigmatise them.

    Other experts say it could become a "sign" of whether a man was HIV positive or not.

    Healing

    Previous research had suggested women could be protected from HIV if their partner was circumcised.

    In this study, 922 uncircumcised, HIV-infected, asymptomatic men aged 15-49 years with HIV were enrolled in the Rakai district of Uganda.

    Men were then selected to have immediate circumcision (474 men) or to be given circumcision after two years (448 men).

    Almost 170 uninfected female partners of the men were also enrolled, and followed up at six, 12, and 24 months.

    However, the trial was ended early because of what the researchers called the "futility" of carrying on, and the second group were not circumcised.

    Only 92 couples in the immediate circumcision group and 67 in the control group were included in the final analysis.

    It was found that a higher proportion of women were infected with HIV in the intervention group (18%) versus the control group (12%).

    The researchers suggest the higher transmission rate could have been due to couples resuming their sex lives before the circumcision would have properly healed.

    Abstinence

    Writing in the Lancet, the team led by Dr Maria Wawer said: "Circumcision of HIV-infected men did not reduce HIV transmission to female partners over 24 months; longer-term effects could not be assessed."

    They said it was not sensible to recommend men with HIV should not be circumcised, or that there should be any down-scaling of circumcision programmes, because of the overall benefits to both uninfected men and to women.

    But they added: "It's inevitable that men who are infected with HIV will also require to be circumcised, partly to avoid stigmatisation.

    "The findings suggest that strict adherence to sexual abstinence during wound healing, and continuous condom use thereafter must be strongly promoted when HIV-infected men receive circumcision."

    They suggest a solution would be to circumcise as early as possible.

    "Circumcising infants and young boys before their sexual debut would mitigate the challenge of male circumcision in HIV-infected men.

    "However, this strategy would require careful consideration of issues relating to parental consent and the minor's consent."

    In an editorial in the journal, a team from the University of Washington in Seattle, led by Dr Jared Baeten said the findings should not "hinder" the use of circumcision in HIV prevention programmes.

    Victoria Sheard of the UK's Terrence Higgins Trust, said: "Circumcision is most often used as an HIV prevention tool in the developing world, where it can be difficult to get hold of condoms.

    "However, it shouldn't be seen as a stand-alone strategy.

    "Women are disproportionately affected by HIV in sub-Saharan Africa, and - as this study shows - will still be at risk whether their partners are circumcised or not.

    "The best way to guard against HIV is by always using a condom, so more work is needed to ensure adequate protection is available for those who need it the most."
     
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    HA! I guess all you anti-circs using PCs right now (and I bet the majority of you shmoes are using one) aren't feeling so pretty right now.

    And BTW, I'm a Mac user. Think Different, bitches! :rolleyes:
     
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