Biofuel flight 'a publicity stunt'[?]

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Thats not a good thing. At all. Plus, I lack the will to explain it to you as you clearly feel you have just invented the wheel.

Clearly I have not, its clearly something thats then been done for quite some time, while its not the "good" way to do something its an effective way to work over the people until theres a clear consencious by our "officials"

BTW: Stop being such a pompous ass and acting like you know it all. I'm clearly looking for the best way to present an argument to change peoples lifestyles, the phrase Global Warming is in constant turmoil and its a bad choice to present that to the people while arguing for change.
 

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Lol, being a pompous arse, and this from a man looking to work over people, lol.

You can't give planetary death a nice name to pander to stupid people, that's the reason they're stupid.

Spin is not a good thing, it's a vile tool of the weak.
 

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Lol, being a pompous arse, and this from a man looking to work over people, lol.

You can't give planetary death a nice name to pander to stupid people, that's the reason they're stupid.

Spin is not a good thing, it's a vile tool of the weak.

Why wouldent you want to work over the stupid people, they are a huge base thats needs to be a part of the solution as well.
 

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Why wouldent you want to work over the stupid people, they are a huge base thats needs to be a part of the solution as well.

And you think I'm in need of defence.

You're either a troll and shit stiring or uneducated.

Why am I even rising to the bait and arguing with you, you want to give death a spin so people will think it's fluffy and magically change.

You are an arse, stop wasting my time.
 

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And you think I'm in need of defence.

You're either a troll and shit stiring or uneducated.

Why am I even rising to the bait and arguing with you, you want to give death a spin so people will think it's fluffy and magically change.

You are an arse, stop wasting my time.

I'm not either one of those things. You want to argue that people should just accept the Global Warming as it is, well it does not always work that way.

If you want to save all these lives you keep bantering on about your going to need to ram it down their throats, you can make the change easier by not refering to as something they already hate.

Good job with all the name calling too.
 

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Look, there, in the sky. What is that?

Is it a hurtling flaming city sized meteor about to crash into the Earth causing an explosion the like never witnessed by the eyes of man and killing every last living thing in a painful firey death followed by nuclear winter?

Oh, no, it's ok, it's just a extra special sized cosmic pink fluffy marshmallow, sent by God to shower Earth with stick peace and love.

Quick everyone, like they say, duck and cover.
 

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Look, there, in the sky. What is that?

Is it a hurtling flaming city sized meteor about to crash into the Earth causing an explosion the like never witnessed by the eyes of man and killing every last living thing in a painful firey death followed by nuclear winter?

Oh, no, it's ok, it's just a extra special sized cosmic pink fluffy marshmallow, sent by God to shower Earth with stick peace and love.

Quick everyone, like they say, duck and cover.

You're really acting stupid, I really don't think you understand a damn thing I'm saying.
 

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Lol, I know, you're right, lets not call it global warming, that will frighten the idiots.

Let's call it, the never ending summer of death, no, how about, the super summer that even SPF3000 won't keep you safe, no, how about, the CO2 cure for the curse of evil polar bears, no, how about, there's no more ice left, lets all live in the mountains. I think i really like, Venus, the new Earth!

Come on, you try.
 

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Lol, I know, you're right, lets not call it global warming, that will frighten the idiots.

Let's call it, the never ending summer of death, no, how about, the super summer that even SPF3000 won't keep you safe, no, how about, the CO2 cure for the curse of evil polar bears, no, how about, there's no more ice left, lets all live in the mountains. I think i really like, Venus, the new Earth!

Come on, you try.

The problem with this is that no one has ever experienced that, you have to use something people can envision or actually are afraid of happening.

You could someone from L.A. if they cared about Global Warming they might say "no" if you ask them if they care about smog removal I bet they would be much more likely to say "yes" and do something to help change that.

Do you see what I'm saying yet?
 

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Yes, i do, we need to dumb down vital, incontrovertible science so stupid people will get off their arses and help.

I agree, spin, it's the way forward, we can dress up the planets death and idiots will become eco warriors.

We could sell it to them on the ground that they can have Christmas in summer, with BBQs and everything, like the Aussies. Or they can play, 'shoo away the disposesed low land islander from their yard', what a lark that'll be. They can all have a pet penguin and they can do their bit for the environment by sweeping away the ever encroaching deserts from their front lawns.
 

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Let's set aside name calling such as "pompous ass" and "troll".

RP, FFF makes a good point about GW. In USA the term is politically charged beyond reason. But we're stuck with it..

Can we change to subject? For instance, powering airplanes with biofuels? :smile:
 

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Let's set aside name calling such as "pompous ass" and "troll".

RP, FFF makes a good point about GW. In USA the term is politically charged beyond reason. But we're stuck with it..

Can we change to subject? For instance, powering airplanes with biofuels? :smile:

Yes, my question is does Biofuel create the same amount of energy as plain ol' fuel? I don't believe that it does and because of that doesn't that require more of it to be loaded in the aircraft to be able to sustain the weight of more fuel? Is there really any advantage to use that small of a percentage of Biofuels in aircraft?
 

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Well, lol, the early pioneers of flight, Lilenthal, the Wright brothers, Bleriot, etc, were just out for a stunt too. Everyone at the time knew the damned fragile contraptions would never amount to much more than idle curiosities and they certainly couldn't ever earn anyone any money.
 

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Yes, my question is does Biofuel create the same amount of energy as plain ol' fuel?...
Good question and I don't know.
... Is there really any advantage to use that small of a percentage of Biofuels in aircraft?
A small advantage, I suppose. In the B-52 I mentioned earlier, a blend would save a good amount of petrol because that plane guzzles fuel like there's no tomorrow. Speaking of the future, USAF is seriously considering switching to a blend. They didn't do that B-52 test for "publicity".

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To all: I'm going to exit the thread at this point. I've detected my presence isn't welcome.
 

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In the USA, the idea of a biofuel isn't sustainable. It's just a bunch of words meant to appease the worried -- and the outright stupid. However, I live in a part of the world where ethanol is more popular than gasoline and is somewhat sustainable -- as long as the number of car owners doesn't geometrically increase. NAFTA (no, not the North American Free Trade Agreement, this NAFTA is ethanol fuel) is readily available throughout Argentina, Uruguay, and the primary combustible fuel (about 80% of all vehicles) in Brazil. Granted, Brazil has wiped out a large portions of the tropical American rain forest, but they are no longer dependent upon Venezuela or any other country for oil. They are carefully conserving their oil reserves and untapped fields. The UK is has been shown in the local press to be especially pissed at Brazil's temerity to tell British Petroleum to fuck off. Soon, Argentina will take measures to do the same. It's amazing that such "third world" countries can be so intelligent about such natural resources once Europe and the USA are kicked out. These countries are certainly not without their problems. Buenos Aires is constantly running low on electricity during the summer months. They have plans to replace their current (and only) nuclear power plant near Bariloche before something bad happens. Of course, the USA is all flustered about Argentina updating its nuclear reactor or possibly building a second one; primarily because Argentines have pointed out that the French do a better job of building such power plants and containing the waste (they encase it in molten glass to stablize it, then store it in salt mines). In the US, they're still using metal containers for all their nuclear waste.

But back to biofuels: if the population is the right size and the government is behind it, biofuels are a reasonable intermediate solution until solar and hydrogen are perfected -- but not in the USA. It's too little too late for the USA.

Oh, and by the way, you should see the diesel fuel I put in my 407 Peugeot. It's clear and about the same consistency of a glass of water. It's incredibly clean burning and free of sulfur. No need to add red or green dye to the stuff. Although large buses and transport vehicles still use the old stuff, but it's being phased out.

They also don't use catalytic converters down here. Instead, Peugeot, Citroen, and Renault invested in developing a completely new, advanced generation of internal combustible engine that puts out more water vapor than hydrocarbons. They saw early on that the catalytic converter wasn't a viable, long-term solution. Now you know why you can't buy those French autos in the USA. They don't have catalytic converters because they put out less contaminants than American and Japanese autos that do have catalytic converters. What a concept. No?