Birthers meet the Dunkers.

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  1. Industrialsize

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    Now there is a new movement to make our President show his baptismal Certificate to prove he is a Christian and not a Muslim. When will it end? And the last time I checked, there is no Religion requirement to be elected President. FWIW, I believe the President when he tells us he's a Christian but it would not make one bit of difference if he was a Muslim.

    Muslim, Christian, or Marxist?


    When questions came up during the campaign about Barack Obama’s religious affiliation, his aides flatly asserted that he was a “practicing Christian” and was “baptized” in the Trinity United Church of Christ. However, some of the same questions have come up again in the wake of opinion polls finding people confused about Obama’s religious identity. Our media cannot understand the confusion.
    For most in the media, it is cut-and-dried: Obama is a Christian. People who don’t believe it are dumb or misled.
    But calling yourself something is not the same thing as proving it is the case. This claim deserves to be scrutinized, even when it involves a sensitive and personal matter such as religious belief.
    Unfortunately for Obama and his backers, the same Obama campaign apparatus which claimed that he is a baptized Christian asserted that the mysterious “Frank” in Obama’s book, Dreams from My Father, was just a black civil rights activist. It turned out that “Frank” was Frank Marshall Davis, a Communist Party member under surveillance by the FBI who served as a mentor for a young Obama in Hawaii. The 600-page FBI file on Davis even suggests he was an espionage agent on behalf of the Soviet Union.
    Dupes, a forthcoming book by Professor Paul Kengor, promises to take another close look at Obama’s Frank Marshall Davis connection.
    So what the Obama presidential campaign says about Obama’s religious affiliation is not something to be taken at face value. They have a vested interest in making Obama look more acceptable to the American people.
    As President, he has gone to church only a few times, which undermines the claim that he is a practicing Christian. People see him playing golf on Sunday; they don’t see him going to church.


    Muslim, Christian, or Marxist?


     
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    :261: this is beyond insane!!

    Can you imagine if he were Jewish, he'd have to drop his pants to show the work.
     
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    C'mon guys, you really think that this is surprising? :rolleyes:

    Picking out personal things about public figures, doesn't matter if it's false or not, is common place, no matter what affiliate the person is. Bush Jr was personally attacked by the Dems. Clinton was personally attacked by the Repubs. Bush Sr was....etc., etc.

    Personal attacks are nothing new, and gone are the days when performance is the main focus. :mad: Unfortunately, I don't see things getting much better :frown1:
     
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    "Dunkers" is hysterically funny, but their cause is merely hysteria.
     
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    The same people who want him to be a Muslim also believe that being Muslim is a bad thing. So how can the accusation not be racist in origin?
     
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    Yes, but in a broader historical context, hysteria has frequently led to lynchings. :frown1:
     
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    I'm waiting to hear from the people who demand proof that Barack Obama's mother and father were earthlings. What shall we call them? How about "earthers"?

    Edited to add: After posting the text above, I did a Google search for "earthers Obama" and found that my idea is not new:

    However, these pages appear to be intended satirically—to my disappointment. :frown1:
     
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    Sure -- we can laugh! But is it funny?

    It would be more palatable if it merely concerned discrediting opponents. Likely, the intent to create such babel as makes genuine discourse impossible.

    Lacking meaningful, civil discourse, elections are an exercise in self-deception.

    Sober, thinking people are not easily mastered. We're SUPPOSED to laugh.

    How sad is that?
     
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    Textbook Republican false equivalency. Thanks for the chuckle.
     
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    The only real equivalent argument there is the defamation of Clinton, because in both his case and Obama's case, the people that were responsible were trying to leverage it into saying the President in question could not rightfully be President (an impeachment in Clinton's case.) And in my opinion, calling a president out for being an imaginary Islamic sleeper agent terrorist or for lying about a blowjob is slightly more extreme in comparison to calling Dubya stupid because he acted that way or calling Bush Sr. out of touch because he was a rich oil baron with no concept of a normal person's living expenses.

    Anyone else notice how the two presidents people tried to prematurely remove from office are the Democrats on that list?
     
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    It's also hilarious that the Intercollegiate Studies Institute -- the publishing company for that Dupes book -- claims it is a "non-profit, non-partisan, tax-exempt educational organization whose purpose is to further in successive generations of college students a better understanding of the values and institutions that sustain a free and humane society." The header links refer to free markets, security, and conservative thought to the exclusion of more liberal ideas. The dude who is writing the book teaches at a Christian liberal arts college in Pennsylvania.
     
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    ^Yeah, conservatives these days have redefined the term 'freedom of speech' to mean 'prerogative to lie at will'...
     
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    54% of conservatives think highly of Islam, but only 30% think highly of Obama, who is Christian. If Obama were Muslim, his ratings among conservatives, who are predominantly Christian, would likely increase to 42%, if we split the difference.

    If Obama were an unscrupulous pol, he'd produce his Muslim birth certificate, and pick up 10%+ points for his party and retain control of Congress. A true win-win scenario for both liberals and conservatives. :smile:
     
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