bisexuality in females and heterosexual men

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  1. B_Stronzo

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    I'm interested in the views of board members regarding the obvious shift in many male hetersosexuals attitudes toward one type of homosexuality only.

    Where a generation ago all bisexuality would have been largely decried, I see that bisexuality in females has become largely integrated into the societal norm. Men's magazines are rife with it photographically.

    Obviously we're all aware that many heterosexual men are attracted to the notion of women being bisexual and involving them in what's often referred to as the "good kind" of ménage à trois (male-female-female).

    In my opinion recent trends suggest that while many heterosexual men consider it ideal for their girlfriends and wives to bring another female into the sexual bed, they do not suggest (from what I can tell) that women should be afforded the same courtesy or inclination by introducing another man to the ménage.

    I have a very distinct idea of what I think is going on with the phenomenon subliminally but I'll reserve that opinion until I get board response to these two questions:

    1) In your opinion is the female of our species somehow more inclined to bisexuality than the male of our species?

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    2) If given the opportunity to speak freely and candidly would an equal number of heterosexual women similarly enjoy the notion of bedding down with two men in that same fashion?
     
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    Good topic Mr. Stronz.

    1) From spending a year at college, and from many conversations with women, it seems to be yes. At least openly. After being here for a while, I have come to realise just how many men are closet bisexuals as well. However, it seems to me, that women have a greater tendency towards bisexuality because A) it is more socially acceptable, and b) some use it as an object to attract men.

    Now, being that I am male, I can't answer number two. But I am quite interested in hearing everyone's responses to this.
     
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    Thanks for weighing in LL.

    But can it truly be a 'tendency' when the two reasons you cite are undeniably not biological? Both seem to point to a subliminal pressuring.

    What you say about the 'closeted bisexuals' speaks volumes to me about the very reason I brought up this topic. It appears it's still "uncool" to be male and to be intereseted sexually (by social admission) in your own sex.

    And you can answer the second from what you've observed and chatted about with heterosexual females. You don't need to be one to give your take.:smile:
     
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    I see this too and I often wonder whether its the imagery driving the perception of greater acceptance, or is the perception of greater acceptance spurring more imagery. I have no answer.



    This appears to be one of many gender inequalities. My life experiences as a straight guy tell me very few straight males are going to be eager to share a female bed partner with another straight male if it means getting hot, sweaty and naked in close proximity to another guy. Just my opinion.



    I have no facts or figures or anything other than my own perception to tell me this tendency is probably more true for females than males. I say this only because women seem less averse to touching each and getting close to each other than men.



    Again, I have no facts or figures to back my claim but I think not. I believe its mainly straight male fantasy for a guy to think that two women desire him in bed at once.
     
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    In contrast I feel (from lengthy discussions with heteorsexual females) that many women who are sexually charged have equal interest in sharing their bed with two males. If, in fact, the appeal of the heterosexual male for straight females is that very 'hot sweatiness' (as I would hope it would be) than why should that make another male added to the mix any less appealing?





    In my experience that 'touching' of which you speak is not sexual in nature in the least. It's simply because females generally are encouraged to be more platonically affectionate with one another (ie females dancing with females being societally "kosher"). What I find paradoxically ironic is that the numbers suggest that in the formative years of sexual adolescence males experiment with their own sex much more frequently than females with theirs.

    How many of my friends growing up (who are now practicing heterosexuals) for example involved themselves in same sex jerk off sessions? No fewer than 15. When I ask women about the phenomeon of adolescent same sex experience I've yet to hear a single one of them state "oh yes my friend and I played doctor" response. Seems to me the male of the species in truth is more inclined to homosexuality. This is significant since most of my close friends are heterosexual women.





    In your opinion SG could a heterosexual women in this society be able to readily admit to finding that same fantasy appealing in the reverse? I say no since it's the heterosexual male psyche which dictates how women can manifest expression from the workplace to the bedroom inclusively.

    Quite honestly I find the whole "female bisexuality chic" thing a phenomenon of the imposed will of heterosexual men. Many women I've spoken to have "gone along" with it to keep their boyfriends interested.

    Yeowtch. ... and the beat goes on.
     
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    I'm stymied by that question, Stronzo. To begin with, I don't have a clue as to the proportion of women who would actually desire two guys at once. Probably far fewer than popularly perceived. So, I'm at even more of a loss as to how many women would openly admit it. A token few, I suspect, but beyond that I surely don't know. I'd be interested in hearing the true answer though.

    That's kinda what I suspect as well. That's what I meant by saying its a straight male fantasy. I perceive that rampant emphasis on female bisexuality is as manufactured and contrived as scenes in a porn film.
     
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    I once asked a straight girl in college if she would consider the possibility of going to bed with her boyfriend and another girl. She stared at me for a moment and then said, "if my boyfriend would really like it then sure, why not."

    Naturally, I asked the reverse, would she consider going to bed with two men. Instantaneously (and I really mean before I could finish my sentence) she responded, "What! And turn my boyfriend into some kinda queer bastard! Hell no!"

    I was going to respond but after realizing she used the term "queer" I simply smiled and thanked her for playing.
     
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    I wrote a very beautiful and insightful response to this thread... then accidentally closed the window before posting it.
     
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    Female bisexual chic is nauseating to me. In my opinion, this draws from the same male drives and logic that condoned polygamy and harems. There are simply NOT truly bisexual women in the numbers we're hearing about it of late. Think of how this feels to actual bisexuals, that their lifestyle has become tittilation for mainstream america- disgusting.

    The best description of bisexuality I ever heard came from my daughter, something to the effect of, if she loves a person, she just doesn't care much what their genitals look like. That's a beautiful way to look at sexuality, I wish I shared it. In contrast, we have this trend promoted by STRAIGHT men toward a contrived bisexuality that may or may not even exist in their partners- not for the partner's better understanding of themselves- No! For their own orgasm. How cute. Too many young girls are now being queer for their boyfriends, and this makes my stomach turn.

    In the reverse, do you think women fantasize about two men? You bet your sweet ass! The difference is we lack the social power to strong-arm them into it. While women are painted with a broad brush as being meek and selfless, when you get women alone and they're CERTAIN that their words are private, they will reveal a very different story. Men don't want to think of us as carnal because then they might actually have to think about treating us as they'd like to be treated. No fun. Much better to see us as sexless pretty things that have to be "taken" to get into sex- we don't sit around thinking nasty thoughts all on our own, now do we?

    Don't be stupid guys, plenty of women fantasize about you sucking cock and taking it in the ass- partially for revenge, but mostly because it's hot. MFM just makes more sense anyway because most women can outlast a man in bed by a long shot- we don't have to get or maintain erections. Please spare me the swaggering boasts about how you fuck 'em into the ground, Kinsey cleared up that mythology a long time ago.
     
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    Yes, I think women are more inclined to bisexuality in this country. I don't think it's anything magical or "special" about women like many tend to think. I chalk it up to societal attitudes. It's "hot" to watch two women go at it, but two men together... forget it! There's a general convulsion towards to man-on-man sex in our society. When religious people say "gay" this or that, they're thinking about gross hot sweaty man sex (and only add in anti-lesbian rhetoric for internal consistency of their arguement). That's what I think about it.
     
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    It's a matter of two notions: permission and shame.

    I think people who want to participate in some sexual freedom or adventure have to begin by giving themselves permission to get in touch with those fantasies and to seek them out. Contrariwise, people who certainly feel ashamed of their sexual image, bodies, behaviors, compulsions, fantasies, etc., aren't certainly willing to explore, let alone feel good about themselves.

    I'm becoming less convinced by the whole societal shame argument, though. I think shame has to be examined by the individual/personal perspective, especially when it comes to personal behavior such as expression of sexuality. While I think social mores inform people on what's hot or not, countercultural movements have been strong in its own right. Gay rights and neoconservatism are at most times in perfect odds with one another, and I recall both arenas being particularly colorful, loud, boisterous, and charged.

    Besides, we can all agree that sexuality and expression are just way too complicated to pigeonhole.

    So, I think you just have to ask someone directly, one-to-one, what they think -- and I would hope that honesty and sincerity will help promote good disclosure.

    Just randomly scouring the 'Net, some women are outspoken enough to say, "Hell yeah, I love some male-male action" and I'm not at all surprised by that. People are "into" just about anything.
     
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    My believe is, that, the american media has created slots for business opportunities. I do not think it is a male , macho, testosterone conspiracy to create female bisexuality as a accepted avenue for the enjoyment of men.
    I think, rather than that notion, it is the revenue oriented business interests the ones that are perpetuating the notion that is is oK for females to be gay, because, it opens avenues of revenue.
    There is a tremendous growth in the market for female related toys, and stuff, female bisexuality and all related items.
    Money talks.
    The end result is a new opportunity for growth, for revenue ( for the business people and the goverment, sharing in on the revenue taxes ), and the consecuence is that female bisexuals are attractive to straight men. But, that acceptance did not go in w/o a fight. I remember years ago, it was not seen with the same degree of acceptance as it is seen today.
    Take note, that female bisexuality is promoted and condoned, whereas, lesbianism is not as accepted .
    My personal view, in the area of straight men and female bisexuality, speaking for myself, men see their masculinity ( straight men ) as something that , although a given ( at birth) , has to be protected . Protected from what?...from the own insecurity men have, the enemy of the straight man is his own fears about not being man enough.
    In that view, female bisexuality is seen as something that is non threatening, ( again, after a while, it got to this level of acceptance, in the past, it was not as accepted , I remember myself , not viewing 2 girls together , back in 1990 , with the same degree of acceptance as I have now, which today, it does not bother me, and, I accept, I like it.)....non threatening to men, and, non threatening to women. When I say , non threatening to women, I am talking about the participants ( because, I know, some women, like Madam Z, are plain and simply not in agreement w female bi sexuality )
    For a straight man, to accept male bisexuality is a threatening situation, because, female bi sexuality takes nothing away from a straight man, while male bi sexuality is directly related to men, to their identity.
    I respect everyone, I am not a homophobic nor anything close to it . My personal view is that there is a more demarcated boundary between straight men and bisexual men , than there is a boundary between straight females and bisexual females.
    The situation is not been originated in a male agenda about being hypocrate and using female bisexuality to amuse males, I think those aforementioned aspects are consecuences of the business practices designed to create a new avenue of revenue, of profit.
    If we go overseas, we could see that the bisexuality phenomenum is an american business practice , in the rest of the world, to varying degrees, female bisexuality is seen with the same, or even more skepticism , as it did here in the US 15 + years ago.
     
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    no, this is media bullshit. we're fed this nonsense by both "conventional" media and porno producers simply to pander to heterosexual males' sexual insecurities.

    probably a greater proportion, since the percentage of women who are genuinely comfortable with and secure about their sexuality is significantly higher than the percentage of men (at least in my experience). again though, that's a societal affliction: if our culture wasn't so riddled with sexual hangups and prejudices, i'm sure the numbers would be equal (probably somewhere around 99%...)
     
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    I just knew I could count on you to tell the truth without hesitation and utter understanding mz. You simply rock and thanks. :wink:

    That's precisely the ruse perpetrated by heterosexual men. Dead on mb... dead on!
     
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    While I appreciate your take on the topic KaiDog, I was more interested (in case I didn't make it clear) in learning the reality of a female bisexuality "chic" rather than the societal attitudes toward it. I realize what the genesis of it is all too well.

    But you state 'It's hot to watch two women go at it, but two men together.. forget it'. That's subjective.. it's your own taste you're recounting here.

    My point is this:

    Much as you'd call men 'hot and sweaty'. Those are the very things which many heterosexual females and all homosexual men find precisely appealing. To us those are certainly not 'gross'.

    Similarly I suspect (though I cannot personally speak to the phenomenon) that to most heterosexual women the idea of being forced to participate in a mff threesome and "going down on another fishy pussy where their ought to be a cock" (verbiage used for comparison only!) is as repulsive as you find the male anatomy.

    See?

    Moreover, what's extremely telling to me as that without exception each respondent to this thread who thinks that the female of our species is more inclined to bisexuality than the male is a heterosexual male. :33:

    I like what Mr. Blackthorne implies: that sexual absolutes simply don't exist. I think that nails it.
     
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    You needn't be stymied by it. You're obviously a clever fellow of thought and articulation SpeedoGuy. But I don't understand why you'd simply assume the number was 'fewer' especially since you admittedly 'don't have a clue'.

    The numbers/surveys suggest that nearly 50% of the viewing audience for the American version of Queer as Folk were heterosexual women. We had a ritual (my boyfriend and I) when that series was still being shown by Showtime. Each episode was a "QAF party".

    It consisted of two males (my boyfriend and me) and 8 heterosexual female friends. Each one (without exception) said for them that the best scences were the sex scenes between two men. And believe me that show was loaded with overt sexual expression between males (often more than one at a time).

    Any quesitons?:rolleyes:
     
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    I beg you NIC.. rewrite it.

    Yours is an opinion I'd value here.

    Thanks.
     
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    The lengths people go to blame all perceived injustices exclusively on straight white males never cease to amaze me.

    I mean doesn't it seem just a wee bit insulting to blatantly say women have no free will?

    How's that for beautiful and insightful?
     
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    Not so much insulting as it is an outrage Shelby.

    **aside: Don't you love how women's rights are denied by just these same types for millenium then the perpetrators cry innocent when exposed.:rolleyes:

    Even this cannot be lost on you Shelby.

    Now please grace us with your take on the topic doll.:rolleyes:
     
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