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Originally posted by madame_zora@Mar 16 2005, 05:41 AM
LexMan, I will certainly marry you in the internet world! That post is one of the best things I've ever read on here. Honest people are great, even if they seem a bit rude. I call us all "assholes" because that's what the rest of the world thinks of us. I don't need to use the truth as a battering ram to slap others in the head with, but I don't dance around it much either. Likewise, I completely don't care about anyone else's opinion of me (except Juliana's) because my own is sufficient. Anyone who even tries to live like this will find a freedom they never thought possible. I also don't keep secrets, just a personal choice. I will usually answer the most personal, intimate questions at the drop of a hat, unless a complete stranger is asking and I suspect their motives.

So, you might tell some girl that pink really isn't her color, or that isn't her most flattering pair of jeans. She should respect the fact that you care enough to try to help her improve- I would. I'm sure you'd also tell her when she's smokin' hot.

Married AND a b/f? Some guys have all the luck!
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SHE SAID YES!!!

Ah-hem.

Luck? nah. What I have is a wonderful wife who was raised by great, NY hippie parents. We both realize that we love each other deeply and that my sexuality should under no certain terms destory our relationship. It has not been easy, but it has been one of the most fulfilling journeys of my life. She realized I had bisexual tendencies before *I* did and my ability to be honest and share with her the secret thing I fear being rejected over has only strengthened our bond.

She had a bi experience as a teenager and was able to admit that now she realizes that she doesn't have to worry if those urges resurface. Best of all she knows that my husbandhood, manhood and fatherhood aren't quantified by which gender(s) I prefer to emotionally and sexually bond with but rather by the type of loving indiviaul I try to be every day.

As for my BF--he is a tremendous man who understands and prefers my situtation. He lives 2 hours away and we see each other as much as we can. He owns a house in Rehoboth and I plan to spend as much time there this summer as I can.

It's weird, but coming to terms with my sexuality has made me feel more evolved than most people I come in contact with. More liberated even. Freeer than most.

Repression = BAD.
 

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Congratulations!!! I wish you only love, sex (lots of it) and happiness. You have been faced with very difficult desires and choices in your life. You obviously have chosen wonderful people to share your life, as they have. I have seen more than a few people in your "situation" work at the dual relationship and make it work. We define our own relationships, families and world. Let no one infringe, criticize or pass judgment on your world. Much love to the three of you.
 
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Originally posted by madame_zora@Mar 15 2005, 01:35 PM
Joe22xxx, since you don't list your sexual orientation, I don't know where you stand at the moment, but I feel you missed the purpose of my post. I understand that many people wouldn't have sex until they feel love, BUT do you feel sexual attraction for women, or men, or both? This is actually the crux of the matter, NOT who you think you could love. If you truly love a woman, you should care enough about her happiness to see that as equally important as your own. Sadly, with many men who are trying desperately to deny their homosexual feelings, they think only of what is good for them and ignore the needs of the poor woman they claim to love. This isn't love, and platonic love simply isn't sufficient to sustain a marriage, unless it is well understood by both parties BEFORE the vows are taken, otherwise your vows are a lie.

Saying yoiu have romantic feelings for women seems like a dodge of the core issue, so I hope you will consider this well before determining your sexuality.
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Madame_Zora, thanx so much for your response. I appreciate it a lot. I didn't put anything on the sexual orientation part of my profile because I don't feel I fit into any of the catagories. I don't have homosexual or heterosexual feelings or attractions in general. I have feelings for certain women and men. I don't love some abstract person. I've never loved or cared about an ideal partner. I feel "chemistry" is how I determine how I relate to any person. If I don't feel some chemistry or clicking, then I don't really have a preference. I don't think that my preference exists in a vacuum. It's all how I'm relating to the other person. So for me the connection is first, then the romantic/sexual expression. I don't feel this way because I'm religious or have morals about this issue. It's just from paying attention to what I feel inside.

What I've found in my actual experience is that if I'm really attracted to the other person & they're really attracted to me, then I want to be close to them & share some intimacy. And the intimacy starts with kissing and holding each other. The sexual part seems to go on from there if both of us feel that's where it should go.

I'm still trying to understand my own experience and I sincerely don't want to hurt anyone. I'm really aware of how that can happen.
 
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carolinacurious: Coming in very late, I thought I'd add a few personal observations.

At least in my experience in the south, being an "out" bi-sexual hasn't seemed like the easiest road to travel.

I've received a lot of hostility from SOME gay guys, I think at least some of it comes from so many gays initially stepping out as bi. Religious nutjobs like to use it for ammunition in their, "It's really a choice" arguments, so that doesn't help. I didn't choose to be bi-sexual, nor can I ever choose to be straight or gay. I CAN and do choose to be monogamous when I'm in a relationship but I'm still Bi.

It was a lot to deal with when I was younger (not that it's all roses and sunshine now), I bought into a lot of the crap that was being handed out; after having sex probably over a thousand times with a FEW different girlfriends, and loving every minute of it, I still found myself thinking, with a couple of homosexual experiences under my belt (ha!), that I MUST be gay. I tried to be "gay", if I hadn't kept hooking up with the women out at the gay bars I might have succeeded too.

I don't know about the 50/50 thing... I'm probably as close to 50/50 as anyone I've ever met, but it seems to change. There have been times in my life where I've felt as much as 70/30 one way or the other and been convinced that that was what I truly was.

In my experience, it hasn't increased my sexual possibilities, it has decreased them. In S. Carolina, when I was in college, being out as Bi might as well have been Gay because the girls weren't having it and my friends stopped introducing me to women as well. Later, I got to discover the whole "gay hostility" thing too.

It has amazed me to discover that for so many people of my aquaintance that being Bi has meant "impossible to be faithful" to them. If I knew that that was what people thought I meant I might have had more opportunities with women (and men) over the years.

I've found that women are more likely to believe that a bisexual person can be monogamous than men but that (straight) men seem a little more likely to believe that someone can be bisexual than women. (Just my unscientific sample)

A lot of these things completely reversed from being in/after college. It wasn't until after college (or at least the age where I was supposed to be out of college) that I discovered the whole "gay hostility" thing. The straight guys I knew in college were totally from the, "suck a dick once and you're Gay with a capital G!", school of thought.

There also was a special situation involved in the timing. Actually, I think some of my ex girlfriends started to talk, and I didn't really hide much although I'm just not an effeminate person, back in high school and times were good. I think a lot of the girls thought it was kind of hip, and I was very open to their atempts to "convert" me. My freshman year of college was "rocking" and so was the first half of my sophmore year. Then it was 1986, I came back from Christmas break to the new year and within a week or so, I remember one girl that I used to "pal" around with asking me if I had heard about "this new terrible sexual disease", immediately I was like, "Oh, shit! not something worse than AIDS!" (which I had known about [and had been in all the papers!]) for years. No, actually she meant AIDS. Apparently, Christmas break 85-86 was when straight girls in South Carolina heard about AIDS for the first time.
Suddenly, instead of being "hip" I was now the "vector" for transferring this "gay" plague into their world. I knew so many people who had to go through so much worse at that time so it seems silly to even mention it but the party was suddenly over.
 
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carolinacurious: <bump>

just surprised that this one dropped off the radar, sorry, I know I came in late.
 

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Carolinacurious, your response reminds me very much of my daughter&#39;s feeling too. For every person, there is a decision to be made about how much the general public needs to know about your sex life- in many cases, they really don&#39;t need to know much&#33; As a hetero, I don&#39;t feel the need to describe who my partners are, what positions I like to fuck in, if I like to give head....you see, private is private. Now, if I&#39;m interested in someone, then THEY need to know that, but I feel no compulsion to wear my sexuality like a tattoo on my forehead.

Joe22xxx, thanks for the info, I wasn&#39;t trying to be nosy. I think it&#39;s a very beautiful thing that you find specific things attractive about individual people. If it were myself in your shoes, I wouldn&#39;t worry so much about defining how you feel, but rather just being genuine and true with yourself about your ability to be in a monogamous relationship if one starts heading in that direction. If this doesn&#39;t seem to be a problem for you, then it&#39;s not&#33; If it ever becomes a problem, then you do need to be direct with your partner. Obviously, the ideal time to discover this kind of thing about yourself is before you&#39;ve made a committment to someone else, especially if they had no idea this could be a possibility. My concern is with someone being in denial about their orientation and trying to force themselves into a relationship that is socially acceptable, but doomed to heartache and failure because of a lack of sexual attraction. I think as long as you are not doing this, your obvious sensitivity will serve you well. Good luck in all. Jana
 

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I always thought that whole "gay plague" idea is crazy. Worldwide, it&#39;s a straight female plague.

Personally, if anyone mentions the "gay plague" to me, I&#39;ll point out the "Southern Baptist plague", hyperobesity.
 

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Originally posted by jonb@Mar 19 2005, 08:52 PM
I always thought that whole "gay plague" idea is crazy. Worldwide, it&#39;s a straight female plague.

Personally, if anyone mentions the "gay plague" to me, I&#39;ll point out the "Southern Baptist plague", hyperobesity.
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Hasnt hyper-stupidity reached &#39;plague status&#39; down there yet?
 

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Originally posted by Royal_T+Mar 21 2005, 09:28 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Royal_T &#064; Mar 21 2005, 09:28 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-jonb@Mar 19 2005, 08:52 PM
I always thought that whole "gay plague" idea is crazy. Worldwide, it&#39;s a straight female plague.

Personally, if anyone mentions the "gay plague" to me, I&#39;ll point out the "Southern Baptist plague", hyperobesity.
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Hasnt hyper-stupidity reached &#39;plague status&#39; down there yet?
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Ooooooh, yeah&#33; Hyper-stupidity is probably the plague that will wipe out the planet. BTW Royal T, love your tag line.