bisexuals--are they for real?

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transformer_99 said:
Why does it have to have anything to do about homophobia ? Why can't it be because there was an event that occurred that crossed a line in the sand on what is heterosexual and what is homosexual, a defining moment if you will ? BTW, I never said gay is bad. Where is that even implied in my post ?

Simply because of the idea that it only works one way with you---a man has 10,000,000 heterosexual encounters, and one same sex encounter, but by your definition it makes him GAY. See above post about one drop makes you black. The phobia end coems for the reasons I oulined. By the associations you are making, you are implying gay =not normal=bad. You asked.:rolleyes:
 

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transformer_99 said:
Not necessarily, even when I am yanking my own crank, what gives you the impression I'm in love with myself ? Ever think that my thoughts might be of a beautiful woman that is unavailable (perhaps even unattainable) and the act is a release of a purely heterosexual tension that can only be relieved at that given moment by masturbation ? So by definition, it's not gay, since the goal or reason behind it is to relieve a primal heterosexual biological urge.

And what's to say that a guy who hasn't had sex in a long time and lets his buddy suck him off while he's watching str8 porn and imagining his buddy is a woman is in love with his buddy? Who ever said love had anything to do with it? You said SEX with a man made you gay. Masturbation is an act of SEX. You never stipulated that there had to be amorous EMOTION behind the act of sex.
 

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A traveller visited an isolated village. The first person he met said that all the people in the village used nicknames to identify themselves and the nickname was decided by the village elders. The villager seemed very angry about this. The traveller asked why and the villager explained...

"That woman over there is called Singer because she likes to sing but no one calls her Rabbit-eater because one time she killed and ate a rabbit.

That man is called Ironworker because he makes horseshoes but no one calls him Clumsy because he once slipped over in the mud.

I work hard, help build all the village huts, grow vegetables for everyone to eat. You'd think they'd call me Helper or something like that. And just ONE time I..."

Another villager called out "Hey Goat-fucker, who's your new friend?"
 

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A recent psych class I took explained it perfectly to me. It's like theres this spectrum right? On one end is gay on the other end is straignt. Eveybody fall somewhere between the two.

Hmm, that doesn't look as wonderfully profound when I type it as it does in my head

Does that make sense to anyone?
 

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joyboytoy79 said:
And what's to say that a guy who hasn't had sex in a long time and lets his buddy suck him off while he's watching str8 porn and imagining his buddy is a woman is in love with his buddy? Who ever said love had anything to do with it? You said SEX with a man made you gay. Masturbation is an act of SEX. You never stipulated that there had to be amorous EMOTION behind the act of sex.

Reread my post, I clearly stipulated m-m, f-f, that indicates there are two people involved of the same sex, masturbation for me is only myself involved physically, no other male, it involves a real or imaginary female and that depends upon whether one is present or not. Masturbation may be an act of sex, I clearly explained that my thoughts even when masturbating would focus on a female to elicit the sexual release. Twist it for your purposes, regardless of your arguments, I don't classify my activity in that regard as homosexuality. If you so desire to classify it as such, feel free, but your opinion doesn't count on this as far as I'm concerned (and don't take that personally), just like mine doesn't regarding your activities (and I don't take that personally just the same, I really don't care and I doubt you care outside of debating your point on this.).

I won't empower your example a guy sucking off another guy and there being an imaginary woman involved, it has no legs.
 

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I don't get the concept of their being a line at all with sexual preference, not to mention race and most other things where we have two opposites that define a condition. All of these things exist on a continuum in the real world. The words can't define such a continuum because each continuum is infinite, while words are finite. Anywhere you draw a line on such continuums is arbitrary... where this line is is what we're arguing about. If we're looking at is mathematically, no, one gay experience in a lifetime of heterosexual activity doesn't make one gay because it doesn't impart any useful information (i.e. this person is most likely to have sex with the same sex). In statistics, there is a construct called the "outlier." An outlier is a point on a statistical graph that is rare enough and skewed from the average or trendline enough that it confounds the data. It's a random, freak occurrence. These outliers are routinely, and for the most part correctly, excised from the data because they don't add useful information but instead may mislead about the general trend of the results. To me, a heterosexual who has one or even a few gay experiences is not necessarily bi or gay.

However, I think all this is immaterial because "gay" and "straight" are states of mind more than anything. A man can be married and have six kids and still consider himself "gay" even though he is living a straight life. Many people that are celibate align themselves one way or the other. I think it's all about how the individual defines him or herself within the constructs of their culture. So, it is possible, to me, that a man could be gay or bi even if they have never had sex with another man... or a man that is straight could have had sex with multiple men.

Snooz
 

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transformer_99 said:
Reread my post, I clearly stipulated m-m, f-f, that indicates there are two people involved of the same sex, masturbation for me is only myself involved physically, no other male, it involves a real or imaginary female and that depends upon whether one is present or not. Masturbation may be an act of sex, I clearly explained that my thoughts even when masturbating would focus on a female to elicit the sexual release. Twist it for your purposes, regardless of your arguments, I don't classify my activity in that regard as homosexuality. If you so desire to classify it as such, feel free, but your opinion doesn't count on this as far as I'm concerned (and don't take that personally), just like mine doesn't regarding your activities (and I don't take that personally just the same, I really don't care and I doubt you care outside of debating your point on this.).

I won't empower your example a guy sucking off another guy and there being an imaginary woman involved, it has no legs.
Sir, you've just agreed that this is a self-impossed classification. Thank you for agreeing with me! Now, will you kindly stop trying to tell others how to classify themselves?

Actually, unless there is some sort of birth defect or aputation involved, my example has 4 legs.
 

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Also, I want to add that just because JBT and I had hot hot sex and he's male and I'm female, it was still a gay encounter for him since I was wearing a giant 11 inch strap on, and a lesbian encounter for me because I was penetrating him and that's what I usually do to women, not men.

As it were, then, I am a female lesbian who had gay man-sex with a flaming queer in a heterosexual coupling.

Are we seeing how ridiculous this is, yet?

Snooz
 

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joyboytoy79 said:
Sir, you've just agreed that this is a self-impossed classification. Thank you for agreeing with me! Now, will you kindly stop trying to tell others how to classify themselves?

I only gave you that in my post to placate you. Neither of us is going to cave in on the other's determination/argument. So why continue to argue it, you won't see how I interpret it and I certainly won't see how you interpret it. Masturbation, if you never told anyone in your profile that you were gay, my assumption, that whether you ever masturbated or not, was that it was not homosexual in nature. With this much knowledge that you consider your own self to be gay, I would have to assume that for the most part, that even if it were considered an act of homosexuality, the focus of whatever got you off would more than likely involve homosexuality, I don't know, when a gay man masturbates, what is he focusing on ? Self love or another guy, perhaps, but probably less likely a woman ? You tell me ?
 

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transformer_99 said:
But to me, if you've ever had a same sex intercourse encounter, you're gay, regardless of gender, regardless of whether you could or would have intercourse with opposite sex partner(s).
C'mon ... you don't really believe that, now do you? We've had our difference in the past, but I'd had A LOT more faith in you than that.

transformer_99 said:
Even if you cross back over, because there is always a possibility as slim as it might be, that a same sex intercourse encounter could occur/recur.
Aaarrrggghh!!!!!!!!

*tears hair out*
 

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I believe in the continuum. And I do have doubts on whether anyone can truely be 100% one way or another. It can probably get pretty close, but everyone at some point has probably been (or will be) at least slightly attracted to and possibly sexually curiouas about members of both sexes.

According to the theory that "one homosexual experience makes you gay", then I woudl be gay. But my number of heterosexual experiences is much higher, and I've never dated a woman before (nor do I think I'd want to). I just happen to find both male and female bodies equally erotic and appealing.
 

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Like a (male) coworker once told me, "You can eat pussy your whole life and no one will ever say a word to you. But suck one little cock and they'll never quit talking."

Bisexuality messes with the gender politics on both sides of the (imaginary) gay/straight dichotomy. Sets social convention on its ear. Muddies the waters.
 

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transformer_99 said:
Not necessarily, even when I am yanking my own crank, what gives you the impression I'm in love with myself ? Ever think that my thoughts might be of a beautiful woman that is unavailable (perhaps even unattainable) and the act is a release of a purely heterosexual tension that can only be relieved at that given moment by masturbation ? So by definition, it's not gay, since the goal or reason behind it is to relieve a primal heterosexual biological urge.

A conclusive sentence ending with three consecutive words ending in "al" is a sure sign that the speaker is cornered and trying to babble his way out.

I also suppose, according to your jumbled logic, that gays don't masturbate because it is a "primal heterosexual biological urge".

Is autofellatio gay? Well let's see, cock-in-man's-mouth, yep gay, no exceptions.

What about jacking off? Well let's see, cock-being-stimulated-in-man's-hand, yep gay, no exceptions.

Is having sex with exclusively men gay? Yep, sex with men, definitely gay.

Is having sex with exclusively women gay? Nope, sex with women, definitely straight.

Is having sex with both men and woman gay? Yep, sex with men, definitely gay.

Even though he has sex with women too? Yep, sex with men, definitely gay.

Don't you see how rediculous that sounds? Is it that you're afraid of any gay component being a part of you and you have to stamp out the idea by being an absolutist? C'mon now.

You're tagging people as though it's an infectious disease that taints them and rids them all of their their individual personalities. If everyone on earth is different from each other, then why can't their concepts of sexuality be just as diverse?

I am very open-minded, which is probably one reason why I am quite bisexual. I hate bracket-minded people; people who think with square minds. My mind is completely liberated, I am attracted to both women and men, and can be in very straight moods, and very gay moods. I don't think there's any "line" to cross with sexuality as you so eloquently put it earlier. I'm free to waver and settle as I see fit. I couldn't be completely gay or straight anyway because
stagnant and unflexible constructs of thought irritate me. I personally need and desire change.

I'm gray, I see shades and tints in between very thin lines of black and white.
 

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I'm bi, but more preference to guys, cuz I'd fuck a woman, but don't think I'd date one...but would date a guy <3
 

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According to transformer's pseudo-logic, I must be straight, since "once I've been there, there's always the chance I could go back." How astonishing. And by dint of this, Stronzo and Lex are both straight as well. What a curious world. I mean, who knew? :rolleyes:

Snooz's point above is rather crucial imho (even though it got lost in the m&#234;l&#233;e somewhat)... I don't believe in this notion of "the continuum" either, since its function, ultimately, is merely to concretize the notions of "gay" and "straight" as an oppositional binary. While the continuum is a more open formulation than simply offering up three options - het/bi/hom (i.e. binary opposites and a single conflation thereof) - it remains nothing more than an oversimplification of human sexuality predicated on contemporary perceived socio-cultural norms. Once again, it is an attempt by human beings to impose order where there is none, whether out of a desire to simplify their perception of the world, to control/contain others through pigeonholing, or to discover some kind of solidarity with others through shared labels, etc.
 

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This discussion crops up in one form or another often at this site, so I guess it must be important for some people to label themselves, if not others, according to their sexual acts. One may as well try to sweep the sand off the beach. The thoughts that go through a man or woman's head, the acts of sex themselves mean nothing. When a man is engaged in M/M sex, he is obviously responding to physical stimuli; if he is having F/M sex, the same person is responding to different stimuli. He is neither gay nor straight nor biseuxal, IMO. He is simply sexual at the time. That he responds to both men and women is simply the way he is wired, and no amount of labeling will make him fit into preconceived notions of what he is supposed to be. The term bisexual implies that he is active with both sexes, and many men are just that, but many men lean toward one or the other sex for their sexual experience as the hormones or mental stimuli urge them to. (Women, too, of course) I have never had sex with another man but that doesn't mean I couldn't because I acknowledge that thoughts do occur that make that seem pleasurable. I would never try to label myself, though society would. According to society, I am completely straight because I have never had M/M sex. I don't accept that. I chose the 20% gay for the profile more or less as a joke because I think labeling a part of myself as gay or straight is almost comical. I am attracted physically to women, but if a man is intelligent, has a sense of humor, lives well, etc., I find him sexy and attractive, too. At that particular moment, according to this inssitence on labeling people, I guess I am a homo. Meh. Who gives a damn. Labeling for sexual practice or thoughst is as bad as labeling someone according to his personality or race or religion. We're all round pegs with no square holes.
 

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"Originally Posted by transformer_99
Even if you cross back over, because there is always a possibility as slim as it might be, that a same sex intercourse encounter could occur/recur."


cross back over? Sounds like a SciFi movie plot to me. :wink:

Do any of you (straight men) watch straight porn? Do you get aroused? If you do, you're prob gay. Because you're looking at lots of cock in straight porn. I'm not saying that it's the cock you're concentrating on, BUT unless you only view lesbian porn you're enjoying the cock too.

I could continue by creating a few double standards if needed. :smile:
 

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Two theories: (well, one theory and one observation)

I think a lot of guys interested in gay sex list themselves as "bi" because it they think it makes them seem somehow more desirable--more masculine, more of a "man's man."

I also was surprised to chat with a college-aged guy who said he thinks his friend is really straight, although he claims to be bi. I said "huh?!" lol I asked why anyone straight would label themselves in a way that might imply they're GAY....he said it's cool now to be bi. Boy have times changed.