bisexuals--are they for real?

[titan1968]

Unfortunately, our compulsive need to catalogue and to label things in order to make sense of our world is at the root of many of our problems. If something doesn't 'fit' into a 'group', it can't exist. That's nonsense!

How quickly we dismiss what we don't understand. How quickly we also judge and condemn. Wouldn't it be better to adopt an open-minded attitude?

 

[AlteredEgo]

...regardless of your arguments, I don't classify my activity in that regard as homosexuality. If you so desire to classify it as such, feel free, but your opinion doesn't count on this as far as I'm concerned (and don't take that personally), just like mine doesn't regarding your activities (and I don't take that personally just the same...

Ah! You are so close to getting it! That's right! YOU get to classify your sexuality. It seems kinda gay to some people to touch a dick, even if that dick is your own. I know men who do not jerk off for that very reason. "I'm a man. I don't want any men trying to get me off, icluding me." But you don't think of it as a gay act. So when you are asked if you are gay, or if you are bi, you say no. You identify yourself as straight. And that is FINE! You are allowed to do that. Why can't bisexuals make similar distinctions for themselves? Why do you live in the (imaginary) land of either or? If given my 'druthers I'd choose to suck dick, but sometimes I want to eat pussy. So I label myself something which makes sense to me. Would I "cross that line" again? Hell yes! I will cross that line again and again. I'm not totally hetero on some days and totally lesbo on others based on my partner! I'm heteroflexible on all days. That's the most honest label I have found, the one I'm most willing to wear (if Imust wear a label). And it puts me somewhere in the middle. And I'm allowed to do that. It's my sexuality, and no ine is more qualified to define it than I.

 

[D_Sheffield Thongbynder]

And I'm allowed to do that. It's my sexuality, and no ine is more qualified to define it than I.

Exactly!

 

[hot-rod]

The older I get the more I tend to think that bisexuals do not exist. Take a look at these myspace profiles:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=1549272

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=14241046

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=46392601

Sorry, but I don't get what is bi about them.

Bi is being attracted to both sexes, but not necessarily having sex with both sexes. As I looked at these profiles and many, many more. These guys struck me as being gay. Maybe gay men in denial of their true sexuality. I would think that if they were truly bi they would have some scantily clad women in their profiles.

Also, on some of the profiles I viewed the men will put something like "I am bi but if I had to choose I would take men over women." I've also noticed on this site that some men have a certain percentage of them they describe as gay, but they talk about other men in sexual terms and experiences that seem gay.

I wonder as we become a more open society if bisexuality will just fade away. It always seemed like a cover for being gay, and even the governor of NJ that resigned described himself as "gay" not bi, after being outed for having gay affairs during his two marriages.

I don't think one's sexuality whatever it is will never just go away. It is what it is because that's the way you are. It's in the genes. Maybe some of these guys' dicks have been injected with hardening sauce lol, so they stay hard for just about anybody that you would have to fuck???????

 

[hot-rod]

The older I get the more I wonder if homosexuals really exist. I'm sort of joking, but in fact one of the things I chose to cover in this thread is two recent surveys which independently arrived at the conclusion that nearly 80% of self-identified "homosexuals" had also had sex with opposite sex partners in the last five years. Seems almost everybody is really bisexual. "Homosexuality is just the access road to the bisexual super highway."

I'm here to say that I'm a 100% gay man and it ain't no way I'm going to put my dick thru that lol.........

 

[Wonderboy]

I masturbated with a friend in the same room once...am I gay!?

lol.

It doesn't matter, since for all anyone can say it only matters to the individual. People each have different tastes and preferences. Just as a bolognese may taste great to one person, someone else might hate it.

Just as love means different things to different people, so does bisexual. Although the general layman's view is that its someone who likes both cock and pussy (equally)...there is much more to it than that.

Just like in layman's terms the vagina is a hole...there's loads of stuff in there!

 

[transformer_99]

C'mon ... you don't really believe that, now do you? We've had our difference in the past, but I'd had A LOT more faith in you than that.


Aaarrrggghh!!!!!!!!

*tears hair out*

Let me ask you a question, and I'd have to qualify what you quoted me posting, the same sex encounter, would have to be voluntary and consentual, I couldn't classify a prison rape or similar as consentual, but doesn't the act of having a consentual same sex encounter involving intercourse, wouldn't that encounter be construed as the defining act to determine whether one was gay or not ? I mean all the evidence is there, 2 men or 2 women who knowingly and consented to the act together. And if it happened once, wouldn't it's likelihood continue or even be open for consideration with the same partner or even another ?

 

[Wonderboy]

What if a guy or gal had sex with a man AND a woman...or a woman, then a man?

Are they asexual because the two cancel each other out?

Its ridiculous. Or a guy who gets a blowjob off another guy but then has sex with 100 women and never another gay encounter in his life. He's not gay, and it would be hard even to say he's bi.

People can have gay or heterosexual EXPERIENCES but not be SEXUALLY inclined towards the hetero or homo aspect of sexuality...

Most people do have a preference but there are people who like cock AND pussy. Some at the same time

 

[B_Stronzo]

In all honesty I think I'd be more inclined to have sex with women if people would just fucking stop attempting to classify sexuality by ANY absolute standard.

They just don't work.

Sheeeeeeeeeesh.

**aside to "Wonderboy"

Is that you in your avatar??

What a waste.......... you're too cute to be straight.:tongue: (god I love saying that!)

I masturbated with a friend in the same room once... am I gay?

No. But it just made me extremely hard imagining it.

 

[B_josiah852]

Since I prefer to have sex with a woman and most of my sexual encounters have been with women, but have had several sexual encounters with males, does that make me a heterohomosexual or a homoheterosexual ?

 

[B_Stronzo]

Since I prefer to have sex with a woman and most of my sexual encounters have been with women, but have had several sexual encounters with males, does that make me a heterohomosexual or a homoheterosexual ?

It makes you homosapien.

 

[avalonjim]

I consider myself bi, after years of telling people I am gay, I personally made the distinction. However, one brief summer fling with a chick, simply closed my mind to the idea of having a relationship with a woman. Mainly because there is no way I could be faithful. I like the much more raw sexuality of being a man with another man. (K that sounds F'd up but so be it) I am NOT hetero flexible, that would be my first BF who self identified as straight, but upon explaining our relationship to others, took the most amazing approach. When asked, he would always say, you fall in love with the person, not their gender.

And just to muddy the waters..... I think people need to check out the MySpace links again... one of the guys is Gay for Pay pornstar, Mark Dalton. Or someone pretending to be him, since I believe he is still in jail.

 

[DaveyR]

Since I prefer to have sex with a woman and most of my sexual encounters have been with women, but have had several sexual encounters with males, does that make me a heterohomosexual or a homoheterosexual ?

Who gives a shit what label you attach to it. The important thing is you obviously like a good fuck.:biggrin1:

 

[Luge]

I consider myself bisexual, with a slightly more straight orientation. I keep my attraction to men to myself because I do not want to lose my current girlfriend or straight friends. I love sexual intercourse with women, lap dances at strip clubs, and hanging out naked with guys at the gym, though I have only jerked off with other guys. I really like it when guys check out my flopping cock. I have had sex with more women, though the numbers are almost equal. I enjoy going to strip clubs with other straight buys because I love the women and I like to see the guys getting turned on by dancers. I am not offended by the concept of being attracted to men or them to me, and I have been attracted to many. I love it when either a guy or a women checks me out. The main reason I have not gone beyond jerking off with guys is that I really have no desire to have cock up my ass or cum in my mouth. I think women's asses and tits are beautiful. I think a guy's ass, up close, is gross. Kissing a guy does nothing for me but playing with his cock sounds hot. Kissing a woman is a real turn on for me, as is tongue lapping her tits. I have had sexual dreams involving men and women, sometimes individually and sometimes at the same time. When I jerk off, I think about both men and women. In my actions, desires and dreams, my bisexuality is real.

 

[transformer_99]

You're tagging people as though it's an infectious disease that taints them and rids them all of their their individual personalities. If everyone on earth is different from each other, then why can't their concepts of sexuality be just as diverse?[ /quote]

Do you really think it matters to me or anyone else what I even tag or label them as ? And since when has it ever stopped those that were doing it. I say more power to them.

I am very open-minded, which is probably one reason why I am quite bisexual. I hate bracket-minded people; people who think with square minds. My mind is completely liberated, I am attracted to both women and men, and can be in very straight moods, and very gay moods. I don't think there's any "line" to cross with sexuality as you so eloquently put it earlier. I'm free to waver and settle as I see fit. I couldn't be completely gay or straight anyway because
stagnant and unflexible constructs of thought irritate me. I personally need and desire change.

I'm gray, I see shades and tints in between very thin lines of black and white.[ /quote]

So if you are so open minded, why does what I posted bother you, you are completely liberated. I simply stated that there are acts with varying characteristics, that when consumated determine gay or straight. RE: your liberation, I am extremely happy for you. As you vaccillate with partners, for the most part, the rest of the world would say that you are gay. Whether or not the female partner you are with is knowledgable of your other extra-curricular activities, well, I feel comfortable posting that she would think you were gay and that the encounter with her was tourism on your part ? Whether it was true or not.

 

[transformer_99]

Ah! You are so close to getting it! That's right! YOU get to classify your sexuality. It seems kinda gay to some people to touch a dick, even if that dick is your own. I know men who do not jerk off for that very reason. "I'm a man. I don't want any men trying to get me off, icluding me." But you don't think of it as a gay act. So when you are asked if you are gay, or if you are bi, you say no. You identify yourself as straight. And that is FINE! You are allowed to do that. Why can't bisexuals make similar distinctions for themselves? Why do you live in the (imaginary) land of either or? If given my 'druthers I'd choose to suck dick, but sometimes I want to eat pussy. So I label myself something which makes sense to me. Would I "cross that line" again? Hell yes! I will cross that line again and again. I'm not totally hetero on some days and totally lesbo on others based on my partner! I'm heteroflexible on all days. That's the most honest label I have found, the one I'm most willing to wear (if Imust wear a label). And it puts me somewhere in the middle. And I'm allowed to do that. It's my sexuality, and no ine is more qualified to define it than I.

Uhhhhhh, what ? I happen to be the owner of my very own penis, I have to handle it to urinate, I wash it everyday. I adjust it when I dress to be comfortable. I masturbate it when I have to take care of my heterosexual urges when my gf won't. What I do personally to my own penis is not gay or homosexual, because another male will never handle it outside of a medical emergency or examination. What happens when I die, well I can't do a heck of a lot about that, then again, I won't care, because I will be dead.

 

[davidjh7]

I believe we have reached the end of the argument, really. You have a viewpoint which you feel is correct, no matter what information, anecdotal or otherwise, is presented. You will counter every argument, because the opposite idea doesn;t fit in your world view. And that is certainly fine, until you try to use that world view to punish or abuse those who don't fit your world view. I'm not saying you do, simply that having an opinion doesn;t make you superior to someone with a differing opinion. I certainly don't say my belief structure is any more or less valid than any other. I try to keep an open mind. There is an old saying, which I have said before here, but which is applicable here: Never try to teach a pig to sing--it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

 

[D_alex8]

Never try to teach a pig to sing--it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

And what kind of sex-life would Kermit the Frog have had if everyone had listened to that advice?

 

[davidjh7]

And what kind of sex-life would Kermit the Frog have had if everyone had listened to that advice?

Why, dirty nasty frog&pig sex, of course...:tongue: Note I said sing, not fuck..:biggrin1: Now, if we are using "sing" as a metaphor for "fuck", then of course, I acceed(sp?) to your point. ( I really need a decent online dictionary---my spelling has really gone to hell from chatting with too many bad spellers. )

Edit: Ok--I looked it up--it is accede. Off by two bloody letters...
I'm getting worse....

 

[ledroit]

The older I get the more I tend to think that bisexuals do not exist.

buddy, you touched two nerves, one called science and the other called nature.

What you think and what I think about bisexuality doesn't matter, nor do labels. What matters is the reality of someone who has a real and a natural ability to be engaged sexually by both genders. You can't fake that. Some people might dissemble, given the politics & culture of sex, but that doesn't matter either.

The only issue is whether you can find it in yourself not to be an authority on bisexuality if you aren't bisexual or a scientist. If somebody identifies as bisexual, your response will be qualified by 1) how well you know them, 2) how well they know themselves, and 3) how courageous they are.

I think it's a little narcissistic to think the rest of the world must be just like me. Having said that, one of my closest friends and one of my first passionate loves is bisexual. He's the real deal. It's been pretty interesting to live with that for 20 years, but I'm glad I did. Better to live in reality than in fantasy. Better to know the reality of who someone is than the label.