Black lives matter : in their own words(really)

[Symphonic]

Where is the least racist but still culturally diverse place on the planet? What are they doing differently? Policy making has never solved anything for humans because humans bend and break their own rules all the time. It must be a distinct change in the social psychology.

 

[rbkwp]

i dont think i should allow your talk about me to go thru unchallenged bc

despite my wanting to show courtesy to industr by refraining from 'carrying on' as he requested
i understand i have a right of reply

you still have a belief that i resurrected this BLM thread so i could link the 4 devils to the BLM movement utter Obama style rubbish
bc

you really do seem to be obssessed with this colour bussiness, shame really as that will be instilled in kids and future generations probably why NZ is streets ahead of the US where folk here have come to realize that such ongoing behaviours by some does no one any good

plus always wanting to win is the other, well you can win this one if its so important to you
happy to concede henceforth, and thats the mindset of Kiwis as opposed to other cultures i geuss?

So... whatever.

Aside from your hoping for "updates" that will link BLM to these four perps (I wonder why) there's not much else here (as best I can DECIPHER) worth responding to.

So... whatever.

"You can lead a horse to water, but not an ass."
b.c.,Today at 2:46 PM

 

[jbfly]

That is a complex question for sure. Other than reading a mission statement, I think if you asked a dozen people you'd get a dozen different answers.

I do see an issue that needs deep conversation more than anything. Are we as a nation ready for it? I don't know. It's not looking very good right now. People aren't in the mood to work together to get anything solved. There is an Inauguration to protest, a Presidency to invalidate...BLM isn't even in the top-10 conversations right now. And that's unfortunate.

There is a need though for organizations and/or individuals that can put sensitive issues out in the open. If that's BLM, good for them. But this is going to be a LONG road ahead and BLM is still in it's infancy. It needs to become more mainstream and away from shock value.

 

[b.c.]

i dont think i should allow your talk about me to go thru unchallenged bc

despite my wanting to show courtesy to industr by refraining from 'carrying on' as he requested
i understand i have a right of reply

you still have a belief that i resurrected this BLM thread so i could link the 4 devils to the BLM movement utter Obama style rubbish
bc

you really do seem to be obssessed with this colour bussiness, shame really as that will be instilled in kids and future generations probably why NZ is streets ahead of the US where folk here have come to realize that such ongoing behaviours by some does no one any good

plus always wanting to win is the other, well you can win this one if its so important to you
happy to concede henceforth, and thats the mindset of Kiwis as opposed to other cultures i geuss?

So... whatever.

Aside from your hoping for "updates" that will link BLM to these four perps (I wonder why) there's not much else here (as best I can DECIPHER) worth responding to.

So... whatever.

"You can lead a horse to water, but not an ass."
b.c.,Today at 2:46 PM

I'm not "obssessed with this colour bussiness" [sic] as I AM with people trying to MAKE a color business OUT of it. Because for one, it would have NEVER occurred to ME to link the actions of these individuals with a BLM thread, ESPECIALLY one titled "BLM: In Their Own Words (Really)." Those who committed this crime hadn't mentioned BLM at all.

Furthermore, the issue goes beyond BLM as an organization because of those who made initial comments in the other thread - who didn't stop at attempting to discredit the organization, but USED it to attack the President, the Attorney General, activists seeking social change, and liberals in GENERAL. Which is EXACTLY why conservatives latched onto this story and ran with it - even though similar stories, some involving white perpetrators and black victims, EXIST.

So perhaps it is THEY who are ""obssessed with this colour bussiness" [sic].

As for YOUR intent, all I'VE done was reference your OWN words. YOU wrote:

"stand by for interesting updates i am sure will come re the related topic and i gaurantee people will be interested in the topic'placing asid the BLM issue as compared to the 'purposeful thread' it has been suggested by non other that i should have used"

Seeing as how you're claiming I'VE misread / misunderstood you, perhaps YOU can explain what you meant, maybe in a STRAIGHTFORWARD way so that it won't be misconstrued.

 

[Klingsor]

Great clip. I've thought (and in at least one instance, said here) things similar to his points. Good to know I've been channeling my inner black stand-up comedian all this time.

 

[deleted37010]

Great clip. I've thought (and in at least one instance, said here) things similar to his points. Good to know I've been channeling my inner black stand-up comedian all this time.

it was noticed and appreciated on many occasions

 

[jbfly]

Far too many homicides. Hopefully BLM can do something about these numbers.

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/walter-e-williams/black-community-and-crime

 

[b.c.]

Far too many homicides. Hopefully BLM can do something about these numbers.

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/walter-e-williams/black-community-and-crime

The fact that CNS news, a conservative news outlet, frequently puts a black face on conservative ideology by using black commentators to promote their cause, does not mean that their position or purpose is any less biased. In this case, to again shift the focus from questionable actions on the part of some in law enforcement, which, the article grudgingly admits, occurs disproportionately MORE frequently to minorities, to a focus on black on black crime.

That being said, and notwithstanding the probable intent your contribution above, I will say that I agree, nevertheless. Hopefully BLM, the organization can do something about the numbers.

It may come as a surprise to you (and no doubt others here) that I am not without criticism of BLM, the organization. In fact, I've been critical of them before, in the Ferguson thread, and elsewhere.

On past occasions I've criticized them for allowing those, hell bent on discrediting them and in turn, the IDEA ITSELF, of black lives mattering TOO, the opportunity to do so when they are caught doing stupid s*** like chanting "Pigs in a blanket..." KNOWING that their detractors are going to take every opportunity (as we've seen of late) to discredit them, and the cause AS A WHOLE.

And I've criticized them for not being more visible (at the forefront) of addressing crime within the community. But my criticism doesn't end there.

Fact is, I think they've missed a GOLDEN opportunity to become INVOLVED IN THE POLITICAL PROCESS, as movers and motivators and PARTICIPANTS in this presidential election.

Instead, early in the year they chose to endorse NO ONE. Then (in August I think - months before the election) produced a rather nebulous "platform" that, among other "demands" included "reparations" (my opinion? fuck reparations) and "independent black political power." (?????) Then in late October, two members of BLM, DeRay McKesson and Brittany Packnett finally endorsed Hillary. WAY too little, and TOO fkng late, imo.

So, when Trump and company start with the nationwide stop and frisk policies and his racist attorney general looks the other way on civil rights violations, my message to BLM, the organization, and those minority voters who were "undecided", who endorsed no one, or who stayed home, is the SAME message Obama had for those who booed the Trump supporter in their midst: "DON'T BOO....... VOTE!"

So now you know the WHOLE story of my feelings about BLM, the organization.

The problem being, and hence, the REASON behind MY responses on the matter, is that in the minds of CONSERVATIVES, Republicans, bigots, and the like, Black lives matter - the CAUSE - the IDEA, and BLM, the organization, are ONE IN THE SAME.

Which is why THEY use the organization to discredit the CAUSE. And they discredit the cause because they reject the BASIS, the HISTORY, the documented EVIDENCE upon which it is founded. Which brings me back to the article you posted.

Williams is correct in writing, "... poor people are the most dependent on law and order." Which is PRECISELY why they need a police force they can TRUST. One that will treat them as if THEIR lives mattered as much as the richest among us.

It simply entails the expectation that the black motorist reaching for his driver's license, the black shopper playing with a b.b. gun in a Wal-Mart, or the black suspect found with a pocket knife, is going to be afforded the SAME consideration and due process as the white kid who stepped into a church and gunned down churchgoers, or the white sniper who shot two Pennsylvania state troopers, killing one. Consideration which DOESN'T entail killing someone reaching for his license, or driving to death someone locked in the back of a police van.

 

[jbfly]

The fact that CNS news, a conservative news outlet, frequently puts a black face on conservative ideology by using black commentators to promote their cause, does not mean that their position or purpose is any less biased. In this case, to again shift the focus from questionable actions on the part of some in law enforcement, which, the article grudgingly admits, occurs disproportionately MORE frequently to minorities, to a focus on black on black crime.

That being said, and notwithstanding the probable intent your contribution above, I will say that I agree, nevertheless. Hopefully BLM, the organization can do something about the numbers.

It may come as a surprise to you (and no doubt others here) that I am not without criticism of BLM, the organization. In fact, I've been critical of them before, in the Ferguson thread, and elsewhere.

On past occasions I've criticized them for allowing those, hell bent on discrediting them and in turn, the IDEA ITSELF, of black lives mattering TOO, the opportunity to do so when they are caught doing stupid s*** like chanting "Pigs in a blanket..." KNOWING that their detractors are going to take every opportunity (as we've seen of late) to discredit them, and the cause AS A WHOLE.

And I've criticized them for not being more visible (at the forefront) of addressing crime within the community. But my criticism doesn't end there.

Fact is, I think they've missed a GOLDEN opportunity to become INVOLVED IN THE POLITICAL PROCESS, as movers and motivators and PARTICIPANTS in this presidential election.

Instead, early in the year they chose to endorse NO ONE. Then (in August I think - months before the election) produced a rather nebulous "platform" that, among other "demands" included "reparations" (my opinion? fuck reparations) and "independent black political power." (?????) Then in late October, two members of BLM, DeRay McKesson and Brittany Packnett finally endorsed Hillary. WAY too little, and TOO fkng late, imo.

So, when Trump and company start with the nationwide stop and frisk policies and his racist attorney general looks the other way on civil rights violations, my message to BLM, the organization, and those minority voters who were "undecided", who endorsed no one, or who stayed home, is the SAME message Obama had for those who booed the Trump supporter in their midst: "DON'T BOO....... VOTE!"

So now you know the WHOLE story of my feelings about BLM, the organization.

The problem being, and hence, the REASON behind MY responses on the matter, is that in the minds of CONSERVATIVES, Republicans, bigots, and the like, Black lives matter - the CAUSE - the IDEA, and BLM, the organization, are ONE IN THE SAME.

Which is why THEY use the organization to discredit the CAUSE. And they discredit the cause because they reject the BASIS, the HISTORY, the documented EVIDENCE upon which it is founded. Which brings me back to the article you posted.

Williams is correct in writing, "... poor people are the most dependent on law and order." Which is PRECISELY why they need a police force they can TRUST. One that will treat them as if THEIR lives mattered as much as the richest among us.

It simply entails the expectation that the black motorist reaching for his driver's license, the black shopper playing with a b.b. gun in a Wal-Mart, or the black suspect found with a pocket knife, is going to be afforded the SAME consideration and due process as the white kid who stepped into a church and gunned down churchgoers, or the white sniper who shot two Pennsylvania state troopers, killing one. Consideration which DOESN'T entail killing someone reaching for his license, or driving to death someone locked in the back of a police van.

Well thanks for the very detailed and well thought out post. I am standing with you 100% on your views. At the very least, vote, and make sure that your followers vote as well.

I have also found the following article and it is troubling that they have basically ignored the chance to learn from the original civil rights activists from the 60's:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...nd-black-lives-matter/?utm_term=.5f52c4753550

To steal your quote , they've missed a golden opportunity.

 

[rbkwp]

'smile'
all lives matter
take note of the last few comments?

and/awaiting further updates on what/why the thread was ressurected
ALL RELATED!!!

Trump's Forgotten People

Supporters of the President express their hopes and fears on inauguration day

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=18190

 

[rbkwp]

THEY pay double if they take you alive'
little known fact but its what we do BESTe [sic] apparently

 

[Industrialsize]

The City of Washington D.C.has painted Black Lives Matter on 16th street leading up to "fortress white house."
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[Industrialsize]

The section of 16th street and the plaza in front of Saint John's Church in front of the White House is now officially “Black Lives Matter Plaza”. #fucktrump
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[keenobserver]

Mayor Bowser plays hardball! Good for her. She is also invoking the 3rd Amendment to remove unwanted Guardsmen from occupying Washington. James Madison would be delighted!

 

[KittenMe]

Why fuck trump? ... he is not the reason for Police-brutality lol

 

[deleted15807]

Why fuck trump? ... he is not the reason for Police-brutality lol

Huumm....

Lt Bob Kroll, head of the Minneapolis police union, slammed former President Barack Obama’s “handcuffing and oppression of police” while praising Donald Trump at a re-election rally the president held in the city last year.

Donning a red “Cops for Trump” shirt as he took the stage, the lieutenant attacked the Obama administration over its alleged “despicable” treatment of police, adding: “The first thing President Trump did when he took office was turn that around … he decided to start to let cops do their job, put the handcuffs on the criminals instead of us.”

Minneapolis police union chief praised Trump at rally while attacking Obama's 'oppression of police'
​

And here we have him praising police brutality.

President Trump: Don't be too nice

George Floyd's death highlights Trump's reversal of Obama-era police reforms
​

So yes he bears a lot of the blame. LOL back.

​

 

[deleted15807]

Mayor Bowser plays hardball! Good for her. She is also invoking the 3rd Amendment to remove unwanted Guardsmen from occupying Washington. James Madison would be delighted!

Love her. She has a bright political future. She's not letting the Orange Goblin run DC as his personal Trump resort. Way better than her slimy predecessor Vincent Grey.

 

[dreamer20]

Why fuck trump? ... he is not the reason for Police-brutality lol

sargon20 has shown Trump's endorsement of police brutality in his post. Currently Trump ignored tackling the police brutality issue and instead called for the protests against police brutality to be crushed by the use of more state sponsored police brutality. At Trump's behest on June 1, 2020, 25 minutes before the Washington DC curfew came into effect, police brutality was used to forcibly remove peaceful protesters from Lafayette Square near the White House before President Trump walked through the area to the historic St. John’s Church to take a photo with his staff. Among those who were attacked by the police were two Australian journalists.

Park Police investigating officers who allegedly attacked Australian reporters

 

[Gj816]

As long as there are racist labels there will be racist. Racist come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. Racism is NOT exclusively a "white" thing. It's a people thing.

Anyone who says they aren't racist to some degree is deluding themselves.
I'm glad these people out protesting are doing their part for social distancing lol. Just like that coronavirus disappeared.

 

[Industrialsize]

As long as there are racist labels there will be racist. Racist come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. Racism is NOT exclusively a "white" thing. It's a people thing.

Anyone who says they aren't racist to some degree is deluding themselves.
I'm glad these people out protesting are doing their part for social distancing lol. Just like that coronavirus disappeared.

#blacklivesmatter