Black lives matter : in their own words(really)

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I won't deny or deflect. Ill only share Andrew Young's statement that the "unloveable brats of BLM have set race relations in this country back twenty years". Burning and looting is never going to move relations forward.
People like me welcome change; actually we welcome it because we are the ones who pay the tax. Change comes about in this country through process, legislation, ballots and most importantly due process. Want to eliminate this system? That works for me however dont look for tax and fees from me when I get nothing in return.

That wasn't done by BLM. how many times does this need to be said? just because black (and white) people are doing it, doesn't mean its automatically BLM fault! that's a kinda racist assumption.
 

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I won't deny or deflect. Ill only share Andrew Young's statement that the "unloveable brats of BLM have set race relations in this country back twenty years". Burning and looting is never going to move relations forward.
People like me welcome change; actually we welcome it because we are the ones who pay the tax. Change comes about in this country through process, legislation, ballots and most importantly due process. Want to eliminate this system? That works for me however dont look for tax and fees from me when I get nothing in return.

Unlovable brats? for protesting? how about the fuckwits who stormed their states capital buildings with AR's and other weapons because they couldn't get a fucking hair cut? check out that double standard.

Also fuck you for even implying that black people don't pay taxes or contribute to this country. the black vote has been repeatedly suppressed in Republican states. voter disenfranchisement is a massive problem. they can't go through the "process" to change shit. also, protesting is also a perfectly legal way of bringing about change :)
 

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Racist term


So you agree with the use of racist terms do you?
white trash isnt a racist term. to be racist it needs to be directly related to an oppressed group. and white people aren't oppressed.... (Webster is updating its definition) :)
 
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I can give the references of everything I said. And Yankee is not a pejorative term. It just denotes people of a certain area of the US. If it is offensive, then maybe the New York Yankees need to change their name.

Great please add them (your coveted references) in your next spiffy reply and we can terminate this conversation.

The "Redskins" and the "Chiefs" should be a good check on learning for you. The "gator bait" shit in Florida is also under scrutiny (indicator).

I wouldn't use major league sports that are predominantly owned by rich white people but performed by heavily teamed black athletes as a litmus test for "jack" or "shit" on what is correct in society. I guess maybe all the southern teams that use "rebels", "rebs" or any facsimile there of should do the same as the NY Yankees correct? Like Doc said "I'll be your Huckaberry".

Please lower the stars and bars and whistle Dixie accordingly, the sons and daughters of the lost cause need to give it a rest. Your tribe was wrong in 1861 and your still wrong today. Move along
 

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the declaration of independence isn't the legal document of this country. furthermore I believe the supreme court during that time already made a ruling on the legality of the matter. and it doesnt say anything about succession. it talks about overthrowing tyrannical and unjust government who seek to oppress their citizens.... which freeing slaves isn't unjust or tyrannical...

Could you tell me where the Constitution prohibited secession?
 
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Unlovable brats? for protesting? how about the fuckwits who stormed their states capital buildings with AR's and other weapons because they couldn't get a fucking hair cut? check out that double standard.

Also fuck you for even implying that black people don't pay taxes or contribute to this country. the black vote has been repeatedly suppressed in Republican states. voter disenfranchisement is a massive problem. they can't go through the "process" to change shit. also, protesting is also a perfectly legal way of bringing about change :)

Thats Andrew Young's quote- got an issue with it send him a message. Burning and looting is not protesting regardless how passionate your spin its lawlessness. As for those who protested the state capitals with weapons its not a comparison and you know it. They didn't set anything on fire and loot on their way out. PERIOD
No one implied blacks or anyone else didn't pay tax what I did say was if you're no longer going to offer a service don't expect to collect the fee.
 
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The “stars and bars” and the Confederate battle flag are not the same thing. No one is waving or complaining about the stars and bars.

Same shit different flavor. Pick one. They amount to the same fucking thing. They should offend any American (not only African Americans) the same way the crooked fucking crow and swastika offend the Jewish people of the world.


Flags of the Confederate States of America - Wikipedia
 

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Could you tell me where the Constitution prohibited secession?

I already mentioned that earlier in the forum.

*cough* bullshit *cough*
I'm going to address a pretty big misconception that you continue to ignorantly spout. The confederate monuments are not tombs honoring literal fucking traitors, people who killed American soldiers.

Those monuments were built during the era of Jim Crow laws, between 1900 and 1920, more than 60 years after the civil war. some of those were unveiled by members of the KKK.

There was a second spike of monument construction during the '50s and '60s during the civil rights movement. So they aren't tombs honoring American killing traitors. They are permanent hostile messages to African-Americans

Most importantly, Robert E. Lee opposed confederate war monuments. In his writing he cited several reasons for opposing such monuments. He wrote about a 1866 proposal
"as regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated, my conviction is, that however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt in the present condition of the Country, would have the effect of retarding, instead of accelerating its accomplishment.
further he believed countries that erased visible signs of civil war recovered from conflicts faster, and that by keeping these symbols alive, it would keep the divisions alive.

Lastly I would like to point out that he also opposed secession, but was honor-bound to fight for the Confederacy.

so imma call bullshit to your argument. Don't bring up Lincoln. He wasn't a traitor. Don't bring up The Union. They didn't kill 620,000 Americans.

the constitution does not allow for succession. it does not even mention it. and in case you aren't satisfied, the Supreme Court has consistently interpreted the Constitution to be an "indestructible" union. That isn't the modern day court. During the December 1868 term, the case was argue before the United States Supreme Court in the case of Texas vs. White. The verdict, read by Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase on April 15, 1869;
"ruled in favor of Texas on the ground that the Confederate state government in Texas had no legal existence on the basis that the secession of Texas from the United States was illegal. The critical finding underpinning the ruling that Texas could not secede from the United States was that, following its admission to the United States in 1845, Texas had become part of "an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible states". In practical terms, this meant that Texas has never seceded from the United States."

So no. Succession was never legal in the first place. They were Traitors. Those are the facts. End of story.

Here's the full post. the supreme court has already rule on the interpretation of the constitution (that was the court at the time) and has continued to uphold that ruling. If you still choose to disagree with that then that is your problem. you don't get to decide how the constitution is interpreted and upheld. The supreme court does. The Declaration of Independence talks about the natural right for revolution. that is distinctly different than secession, and the constitution does not mention it at all. It does not need to say that it is illegal explicitly. The constitution was an exercise in nation building, attempting to build a "more perfect union", a union that cannot be broken by any means short of the dissolution of the united states government as a whole.

sources:
Farber, Daniel (2003). Lincoln's Constitution. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. ISBN 978-0-226-23793-0.

Pavković, Aleksandar; Radan, Peter (2007). Creating New States: Theory and Practice of Secession. Ashgate Publishing. p. 222.

"Texas v. White 74 U.S. 700 {1868}". Legal Information Institute. Cornell University Law School. Retrieved September 16, 2015.

Stampp, Kenneth M. (June 1978). "The Concept of a Perpetual Union". The Journal of American History. 65 (1): 5–33. doi:10.2307/1888140.
 

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Thats Andrew Young's quote- got an issue with it send him a message. Burning and looting is not protesting regardless how passionate your spin its lawlessness. As for those who protested the state capitals with weapons its not a comparison and you know it. They didn't set anything on fire and loot on their way out. PERIOD
No one implied blacks or anyone else didn't pay tax what I did say was if you're no longer going to offer a service don't expect to collect the fee.

oh it is a comparison and you know it too. look at the police response during that "protest". then look at the police response outside the white house before Trump's photo op. There's a prime example.

the burning and looting has not been perpetrated by the black lives matter movement, and if you continue to spout that nonsense then you need to present proof. Because in America, everyone is considered innocent until proven guilty.

and I do have a problem with Andrew Young, but he Apologized for that remark he also said "but you still got to love them anyway and you got to understand them". so I also have a problem with you continuing to use it especially out of context and the bit that matches your world view.
 

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Thats Andrew Young's quote- got an issue with it send him a message. Burning and looting is not protesting regardless how passionate your spin its lawlessness. As for those who protested the state capitals with weapons its not a comparison and you know it. They didn't set anything on fire and loot on their way out. PERIOD
No one implied blacks or anyone else didn't pay tax what I did say was if you're no longer going to offer a service don't expect to collect the fee.

you heavily implied it. dont try to skip around that when you said "people like me.." that implies that the other folks mentioned in your comment dont pay taxes.

and what the fuck do you even mean no longer going to offer a service, so don't expect to pay a fee!?!
 

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oh it is a comparison and you know it too. look at the police response during that "protest". then look at the police response outside the white house before Trump's photo op. There's a prime example.
Protest- you mean the lawless mob that set fire to a historic church?

the burning and looting has not been perpetrated by the black lives matter movement, and if you continue to spout that nonsense then you need to present proof. Because in America, everyone is considered innocent until proven guilty.

My neighborhood in Chicago is all boarded up and looted- BLM spray painted all over the buildings. You are correct presumption of innocence is a key part of our system as is equal protection under the law. Unless of course you're an Atlanta police officer then innocence and due process is just skipped over. Thats what just happed. People have been beaten and killed all over this country by a mob.

and I do have a problem with Andrew Young, but he Apologized for that remark he also said "but you still got to love them anyway and you got to understand them". so I also have a problem with you continuing to use it especially out of context and the bit that matches your world view.

I dont care if you have a problem with Andrew Young, you weren't even born when he was Mayor of Atlanta. He did not apologize and stop twisting his words.
 

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you heavily implied it. dont try to skip around that when you said "people like me.." that implies that the other folks mentioned in your comment dont pay taxes.

People like me- we are the ones who follow the rules and obey the law.

and what the fuck do you even mean no longer going to offer a service, so don't expect to pay a fee!?!

Its pretty straight forward. if you cut my services aka defund the police don't expect to collect the tax and fees.
watch your language when you post to me- Im entertained by your ignorance but annoyed the the four letter words