Black lives matter : in their own words(really)

[g_diesel]

A child died, but har-dee-har-har. Fuck that cop.

Fuck those parents that raised a child who was stabbing another child.

 

[Nigel Atkinson]

Those other girls weren’t children. They were grown women trying to jump a teenager. But those truths don’t matter to racist.

 

[g_diesel]

Those other girls weren’t children. They were grown women trying to jump a teenager. But those truths don’t matter to racist.

Did we watch a same video? She pushed the woman in pink to the car and was going to stab her. Cop did the right thing.

Yeah dude, you like calling people racists while you're a text book definition of a racist yourself. I don't take such accusations seriously from someone like you.

Also it's funny, by saying that you basically said that you believe that Kyle did a right thing: mob jumped on him [a teenager] and he protected himself. Good job! You can't sit with one ass on two chairs

 

[Nigel Atkinson]

Hmm have I done anything racist ? I see we still like using words we don’t know the definitions to. We still on Kyle Rittenhouse ? Kyle was nothing similar to this case at all. That kid traveled to a protest with high tension with his illegal firearm Agitating several people playing a vigilante police officer. Shot someone, then shot two more people when the crowd tried to disarm him. Those chicks ran up on a teenager unprovoked by that teenager.

 

[Nigel Atkinson]

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Have you not been denying systematic racism ? Were you not calling black people lazy ? Are you really trying to sit here and say you haven’t done anything racist on here ? Are you American ? Racism happened all over the world. It didn’t start in America.

What does the culture she grew up in have to do with what happened ? Sounds like some sneaky ass attempt at trying to imply black people are violent. When did I blame the officer on the basis of him being white ? I’ve not even made any direct references to that officer yet, So that’s a considerable leap.

Nobody asked your boy Kyle to Protect anything. He still managed to end up miles away from the place he was allegedly protecting so that’s saying something for that dumbass excuse there. Rosenbaum’s record has no relevance here. That’s the crap y’all use to justify Kyle murdering folks.

She didn’t stab anyone. Despite those chicks running up on her. You don’t know how her parents raised her. But it’s interesting you have so much aggression for her.

 

[ActionBuddy]

Yes, it’s very funny, even ridiculous now. Everything is racist to you, probably even you are racist to yourself. Goebbels style propaganda got so deep that you see racism everywhere but not where is actually is. Media does its job very well.

Another new LOW, for you. How low will you go, @g_diesel?

 

[b.c.]

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Have you not been denying systematic racism ? Were you not calling black people lazy ? Are you really trying to sit here and say you haven’t done anything racist on here ? Are you American ? Racism happened all over the world. It didn’t start in America.

What does the culture she grew up in have to do with what happened ? Sounds like some sneaky ass attempt at trying to imply black people are violent. When did I blame the officer on the basis of him being white ? I’ve not even made any direct references to that officer yet, So that’s a considerable leap.

Nobody asked your boy Kyle to Protect anything. He still managed to end up miles away from the place he was allegedly protecting so that’s saying something for that dumbass excuse there. Rosenbaum’s record has no relevance here. That’s the crap y’all use to justify Kyle murdering folks.

She didn’t stab anyone. Despite those chicks running up on her. You don’t know how her parents raised her. But it’s interesting you have so much aggression for her.

I think it safe to say that this shooting is a tragic event on many levels, including the circumstances in which the victim grew up in, the propensity for cops to shoot first and (not) ask questions later when it comes to Black people and other minorities, and that fact that the person who ended up dead reportedly called the police herself, which if accurate only adds to the tragedy.

So one (or at least one who is NOT in denial of all these realities) HAS to be cognizant of the socio-economic cycles of events and ideological mindsets (on the part of "law enforcement") that can and DO exacerbate a confrontation between people of color and cops.

However, that being said, I cannot dismiss the fact that a cop arrived at a scene, without full knowledge of the particulars, and one in which a knife wielding person was perceived as someone who posed an immediate threat to the life of another. Do I wish it could've gone another way? Absolutely. But tragically, horribly, regretfully, it didn't.

On the other hand I find it insulting (if not infuriating) that those who've GENERALLY IGNORED dozens upon dozens of incidents that DEMONSTRATE MORE blatant and obvious lack of regard for Black lives on the part of cops, IF not outright INTENT TO DO HARM,

would try to liken this tragedy to the Rittenhouse MURDERS - in which he premeditatedly came from elsewhere in answer to a call for armed vigilantes, DESPITE Kenosha's mayor and county sheriff's DISAPPROVAL of armed vigilantes in their streets, and who brought a weapon, shot and killed several people, and then was allowed by the cops he was BUDDIES with prior to the shooting, to just WALK AWAY - even as witnesses were telling them what he had DONE.

He didn't have a knife. He had a fkng AR-15 strapped across his chest. And I'm ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED he'd have walked away alive even if he'd shot someone right in FRONT of them (or on 5th Avenue, for that matter).


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[DiamondJoe]

It's almost like the issue has been going round in circles for decades...

 

[b.c.]

If by issue you mean systemic racism in American society, yes it's been "going round" for decades, in fact centuries because racism was embedded in various aspects of American society from the GET and the realilties of it persist to this day.

As far as the discussion "going round" that's only because of the CONTINUED decades of denials and DEFENSE of it by racists, bigots, separatists, supremacists and people of LIKE MIND...

those overt, those THINLY VEILED, and those who, Like Buckley,(who once supported segregation, opposed civil rights legislation, and suggested Black people were inherently "ignorant") only THOUGHT they were thinly veiled.

That's why it's equally insulting when some entitled fkr like Lindsey Graham gets on TV and says with a straight face that systemic racism doesn't exist, as if HE'D know a fkn thing about it.

And doubly offensive when clowns and silly a------- Black folk, like Kentucky A.G. Daniel Cameron PARROTS that kind of bullshit, either from rank IGNORANCE of the facts or because people like him, and Carson, and Thomas, and Owens (in service of the "house") seek recognition, AGGRANDIZEMENT, and empowerment at the expense of other Black folk and minorities.

The PROOF however is in the PUDDING. And we've been providing it for a decade right here in this forum.

HERE is yet MORE:

Racism within police ranks: A look at the struggles of Black cops by a former officer​

Shawn Kennedy retired police sergeant​

I'm a retired, Black police sergeant who spent nearly 30 years on the Chicago force. Since my retirement, I'm busier than ever.

... much of my time since I left in 2019 has been spent on the National Association of Black Law Enforcement Officers responding to cases of extreme racism experienced by Black cops.

The divisive rhetoric of ... Donald Trump has given overt racism on police forces a green light to come back in full force and with impunity.

As the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol played out in real time on TV, the world got an irrefutable look at racial bias and policing: How was an angry mob of white rioters allowed that close to the Capitol?

If they had been Black, would they have gotten that far? Why were some white officers opening up barriers to allow the mob to go through?

The scene was a crash course in the discrimination experienced not just by Black America, but Black officers. On a daily basis they navigate a profession in which their minority status frequently makes them a target.

Officers of color have to honor their sworn oath to serve and protect their community (including from rogue cops), and learn how to navigate the “blue wall” (which frequently goes hand in hand with racial favoritism).

And as they try to fall in line, they are disproportionately disciplined — losing promotions and pay and being subjected to harassment and retaliation.

A study published just last year in the psychology journal Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes showed that Black officers are not committing more infractions (the allegations aren't higher), but are more likely to be disciplined for misconduct.

Researchers collected data from three cities: Los Angeles, Philadelphia and my city of Chicago. The results were shocking.

Rates of discipline were 105% higher for Black officers in Chicago alone.

Now, in posting this story, am I suggesting that bad cops shouldn't be disciplined if they're Black? HELL NO. But a discipline rate 105 TIMES HIGHER??
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[Nigel Atkinson]

I think it safe to say that this shooting is a tragic event on many levels, including the circumstances in which the victim grew up in, the propensity for cops to shoot first and (not) ask questions later when it comes to Black people and other minorities, and that fact that the person who ended up dead reportedly called the police herself, which if accurate only adds to the tragedy.

So one (or at least one who is NOT in denial of all these realities) HAS to be cognizant of the socio-economic cycles of events and ideological mindsets (on the part of "law enforcement") that can and DO exacerbate a confrontation between people of color and cops.

However, that being said, I cannot dismiss the fact that a cop arrived at a scene, without full knowledge of the particulars, and one in which a knife wielding person was perceived as someone who posed an immediate threat to the life of another. Do I wish it could've gone another way? Absolutely. But tragically, horribly, regretfully, it didn't.

On the other hand I find it insulting (if not infuriating) that those who've GENERALLY IGNORED dozens upon dozens of incidents that DEMONSTRATE MORE blatant and obvious lack of regard for Black lives on the part of cops, IF not outright INTENT TO DO HARM,

would try to liken this tragedy to the Rittenhouse MURDERS - in which he premeditatedly came from elsewhere in answer to a call for armed vigilantes, DESPITE Kenosha's mayor and county sheriff's DISAPPROVAL of armed vigilantes in their streets, and who brought a weapon, shot and killed several people, and then was allowed by the cops he was BUDDIES with prior to the shooting, to just WALK AWAY - even as witnesses were telling them what he had DONE.

He didn't have a knife. He had a fkng AR-15 strapped across his chest. And I'm ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED he'd have walked away alive even if he'd shot someone right in FRONT of them (or on 5th Avenue, for that matter).


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That is true that he wasn’t aware upon arrival. My main issue with that situation is the swiftness in which they always shoot with black people while having so much restraint when dealing with their own.

 

[Klingsor]

It's almost like the issue has been going round in circles for decades...

Yep. For all the good it does.

 

[bramguy60]

If by issue you mean systemic racism in American society, yes it's been "going round" for decades, in fact centuries because racism was embedded in various aspects of American society from the GET and the realilties of it persist to this day.

As far as the discussion "going round" that's only because of the CONTINUED decades of denials and DEFENSE of it by racists, bigots, separatists, supremacists and people of LIKE MIND...

those overt, those THINLY VEILED, and those who, Like Buckley,(who once supported segregation, opposed civil rights legislation, and suggested Black people were inherently "ignorant") only THOUGHT they were thinly veiled.

That's why it's equally insulting when some entitled fkr like Lindsey Graham gets on TV and says with a straight face that systemic racism doesn't exist, as if HE'D know a fkn thing about it.

And doubly offensive when clowns and silly a------- Black folk, like Kentucky A.G. Daniel Cameron PARROTS that kind of bullshit, either from rank IGNORANCE of the facts or because people like him, and Carson, and Thomas, and Owens (in service of the "house") seek recognition, AGGRANDIZEMENT, and empowerment at the expense of other Black folk and minorities.

The PROOF however is in the PUDDING. And we've been providing it for a decade right here in this forum.

HERE is yet MORE:

Racism within police ranks: A look at the struggles of Black cops by a former officer​

View attachment 33887991
Shawn Kennedy retired police sergeant​

I'm a retired, Black police sergeant who spent nearly 30 years on the Chicago force. Since my retirement, I'm busier than ever.

... much of my time since I left in 2019 has been spent on the National Association of Black Law Enforcement Officers responding to cases of extreme racism experienced by Black cops.

The divisive rhetoric of ... Donald Trump has given overt racism on police forces a green light to come back in full force and with impunity.

As the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol played out in real time on TV, the world got an irrefutable look at racial bias and policing: How was an angry mob of white rioters allowed that close to the Capitol?

If they had been Black, would they have gotten that far? Why were some white officers opening up barriers to allow the mob to go through?

The scene was a crash course in the discrimination experienced not just by Black America, but Black officers. On a daily basis they navigate a profession in which their minority status frequently makes them a target.

Officers of color have to honor their sworn oath to serve and protect their community (including from rogue cops), and learn how to navigate the “blue wall” (which frequently goes hand in hand with racial favoritism).

And as they try to fall in line, they are disproportionately disciplined — losing promotions and pay and being subjected to harassment and retaliation.

A study published just last year in the psychology journal Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes showed that Black officers are not committing more infractions (the allegations aren't higher), but are more likely to be disciplined for misconduct.

Researchers collected data from three cities: Los Angeles, Philadelphia and my city of Chicago. The results were shocking.

Rates of discipline were 105% higher for Black officers in Chicago alone.

Now, in posting this story, am I suggesting that bad cops shouldn't be disciplined if they're Black? HELL NO. But a discipline rate 105 TIMES HIGHER??
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wow and all Democratic cities he listed-what did Obama do when he was in charge ???

 

[ConanTheBarber]

Rates of discipline were 105% higher for Black officers in Chicago alone.

Now, in posting this story, am I suggesting that bad cops shouldn't be disciplined if they're Black? HELL NO. But a discipline rate 105 TIMES HIGHER??

I like the post, but you've misconstrued something here.
If the rate of discipline for Black officers is 105 percent higher, then for every 20 investigations of, I presume, white officers, there are 41 investigations of Black officers.
Your way of putting it would suggest 2100 investigations of Black officers for every 20 investigations of white officers.
It's an unjust world, but not that bad.

 

[DiamondJoe]

Yep. For all the good it does.

That is one of the finest expositions that I've heard of what it means to be black in America

 

[deleted464787]

Did we watch a same video? She pushed the woman in pink to the car and was going to stab her. Cop did the right thing.

Yeah dude, you like calling people racists while you're a text book definition of a racist yourself. I don't take such accusations seriously from someone like you.

Also it's funny, by saying that you basically said that you believe that Kyle did a right thing: mob jumped on him [a teenager] and he protected himself. Good job! You can't sit with one ass on two chairs

I have to double up on this. Nigel does, indeed, have this bad habit of looking for racism where there is none. And then when we say “that’s not racism” the retort is always some form of “wHy ArE yOU dENyInG rACisM ExIStS!!!!111”. He’s missing the point that no one here is claiming racism doesn’t exist. We’re claiming the isolated incidents that have been brought forth are not cases of racism.

Glad I’m not the only one to catch on to that. A little of my faith in humanity has been restored.

and @Nigel Atkinson , you’d be much better off finding REAL racism, where I’d happily team up with you against it, than these psuedo-racist, examples of racism that aren’t such. The minute he and his kin started calling people racist because of sexual partners they were attracted to, they lost all credibility.

 

[Nigel Atkinson]

So because I ignored him on the other thread he decided he'd come here to troll me instead. I love it !! I needed a good laugh. I’m still living rent free in that head

 

[b.c.]

I like the post, but you've misconstrued something here.
If the rate of discipline for Black officers is 105 percent higher, then for every 20 investigations of, I presume, white officers, there are 41 investigations of Black officers.
Your way of putting it would suggest 2100 investigations of Black officers for every 20 investigations of white officers.
It's an unjust world, but not that bad.

You're absolutely correct. My error. Should've written 105 PERCENT more.

That is true that he wasn’t aware upon arrival. My main issue with that situation is the swiftness in which they always shoot with black people while having so much restraint when dealing with their own.

And I wholeheartedly AGREE, Nigel, as I stated several times herein.

wow and all Democratic cities he listed-what did Obama do when he was in charge ???

Well, what he DIDN'T DO was stand before a bunch of cops and suggest they not be so nice when arresting people.

He did THIS:

How the Obama Justice Department used “consent decrees” as club to nationalize law enforcement


Compared to Trump doing ZILCH. And BTW, JOE will be doing it AGAIN:

The Most Powerful Weapon for Police Reform Is Back

Justice Department launches investigation into Louisville policing practices Justice

Department launches investigation into Minneapolis policing practices
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[bramguy60]

You're absolutely correct. My error. Should've written 105 PERCENT more.



And I wholeheartedly AGREE, Nigel, as I stated several times herein.



Well, what he DIDN'T DO was stand before a bunch of cops and suggest they not be so nice when arresting people.

He did THIS:

How the Obama Justice Department used “consent decrees” as club to nationalize law enforcement


Compared to Trump doing ZILCH. And BTW, JOE will be doing it AGAIN:

The Most Powerful Weapon for Police Reform Is Back

Justice Department launches investigation into Louisville policing practices Justice

Department launches investigation into Minneapolis policing practices
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LOL crime doubled in Chicago over Obamas time-take off your blinders- he did absolutely nothing for crime in major Democratc cities-Chicago must average what 35 shot a weekend probably 96 % black on black but nobody complaining about that from BLM is there ?

 

[b.c.]

LOL crime doubled in Chicago over Obamas time-take off your blinders- he did absolutely nothing for crime in major Democratc cities-Chicago must average what 35 shot a weekend probably 96 % black on black but nobody complaining about that from BLM is there ?

You asked what Obama did in relation to the article you questioned. I answered. And now you want to retreat to that old Black on Black crime trope? How predictable.

ANYWAY, seeing as how I had to spend another post here in response to you, might as well make BETTER USE of my time:

TO NO ONE'S SURPRISE - PEDDLERS IN FALLACY:

Derek Chauvin trial: 49 percent of Trump voters disagree with guilty verdict in George Floyd murder case | MEAWW

Idaho Wants to Make It Illegal for Schools to Teach About Racism

WATCH: Louisiana Republican lawmaker says schools ought to teach the 'good' things slavery did - Raw Story


AND THE TRUTH:

Joe Biden Calls For U.S. To 'Root Out Systemic Racism' In Speech To Congress | HuffPost

Biden: "We have all seen the knee of injustice on the neck of Black Americans"

Critics decry new Oklahoma law that protects drivers who 'unintentionally' run over or kill protesters

LA official returning beachfront to Black descendants says ‘whole country’ should give back ‘stolen’ land | The Independent

Anthony Anderson says Derek Chauvin trial was hard to watch: ‘It’s not justice’

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[ConanTheBarber]

LOL crime doubled in Chicago over Obamas time-take off your blinders- he did absolutely nothing for crime in major Democratc cities-Chicago must average what 35 shot a weekend probably 96 % black on black but nobody complaining about that from BLM is there ?

You don't get much right.

Yearly average of homicides in Chicago per presidency:
769 — Clinton (1993-2001)
533 — Bush (2001-2009)
461 — Obama (2009-2016)
(source)

Do you see a doubling there, bramguy? I don't.

(You have to check almost everything many of these guys say. They throw their shit, not because it's true, but because it's shit. Truth isn't even a token.)