Black lives matter: in their own words
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I didn't..
Just after or around the same time Darwin published On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, this guy named Gregor Mendel was doing experiments with his peas plants, establishing the rules of heredity and inherited traits, which, years later would become the science of genetics.
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Actually it did and does. Racist/bigots have used and are using it as a distraction. As a way to sway public opinion about groups of people to keep all of us divided. If all people are or were equal then that means higher competition. Higher competition means things are harder for one or many groups. Meaning someone has to work harder. Meanwhile, those who think there really is something to race above very small insignificant things can be led to believe in other things and away from believing in other things. Like climate change.
If you have stake in a company that is helping to destroy the planet then it would be in your favor to use race as a standing point because it keeps others from realizing they may have allies in others. Once you separate those people all you have to do is keep going. Race, religion, class, age, geography, gender and etc. The more groups you isolate and paint as other or not normal the more control you have. Control not only being how people think but how they vote, where they live, where they work, how much money they make and how far they can get in life. Hell even who they decide to make a family with.
If you're a poor racist/bigoted white person living in an impoverished area you aren't thinking about the environment because you've been told that blank is stealing all of your jobs, or women, or taxes or etc. It isn't true of course, it's much more complicated than that but all the while you aren't thinking about your kids or your kids kids experiences later on with regard to the planet. You aren't recycling, aren't championing political figures who make fixing the environment a goal and in general you aren't even worried about your own life down the road.
Times all that by the many different categories it happens in and humanity as a whole has without a doubt been negatively effected by it. Just imagine all the female, mexican, asian, muslim, african american, blank and blank scientists humanity has missed out on simply because race and in general etc has been an issue for humanity. At this point because of the way things are we could have missed out on countless versions of einstein, newtons, faradays and etc. And this isn't even going into other forms of study.
Sorry just had the thought, figured it'd be best to say.
Actually it did and does. Racist/bigots have used and are using it as a distraction. As a way to sway public opinion about groups of people to keep all of us divided. If all people are or were equal then that means higher competition. Higher competition means things are harder for one or many groups. Meaning someone has to work harder. Meanwhile, those who think there really is something to race above very small insignificant things can be led to believe in other things and away from believing in other things. Like climate change.
If you have stake in a company that is helping to destroy the planet then it would be in your favor to use race as a standing point because it keeps others from realizing they may have allies in others. Once you separate those people all you have to do is keep going. Race, religion, class, age, geography, gender and etc. The more groups you isolate and paint as other or not normal the more control you have. Control not only being how people think but how they vote, where they live, where they work, how much money they make and how far they can get in life. Hell even who they decide to make a family with.
If you're a poor racist/bigoted white person living in an impoverished area you aren't thinking about the environment because you've been told that blank is stealing all of your jobs, or women, or taxes or etc. It isn't true of course, it's much more complicated than that but all the while you aren't thinking about your kids or your kids kids experiences later on with regard to the planet. You aren't recycling, aren't championing political figures who make fixing the environment a goal and in general you aren't even worried about your own life down the road.
Times all that by the many different categories it happens in and humanity as a whole has without a doubt been negatively effected by it. Just imagine all the female, mexican, asian, muslim, african american, blank and blank scientists humanity has missed out on simply because race and in general etc has been an issue for humanity. At this point because of the way things are we could have missed out on countless versions of einstein, newtons, faradays and etc. And this isn't even going into other forms of study.
Sorry just had the thought, figured it'd be best to say.
Poor Irish, poor Scottish, poor English, poor Europeans. We killed each other, we murdered each other before we knew any other colour skin existed, before religion, before any belief except survival.
It was based on the have, the have not. Greed.
Greed is what motivates us, Greed is what kills us. We survive to give our children better. We battle against those whose greed is stronger.
Greed has no colour. Name me any colour that is not motivated by Greed or power?
Night night, (time to smooch pussy
)Or seek therapy
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Poor Irish, poor Scottish, poor English, poor Europeans. We killed each other, we murdered each other before we knew any other colour skin existed, before religion, before any belief except survival.
It was based on the have, the have not. Greed.
Greed is what motivates us, Greed is what kills us. We survive to give our children better. We battle against those whose greed is stronger.
Greed has no colour. Name me any colour that is not motivated by Greed or power?
Night night, (time to smooch pussy
Or seek therapy
So i guess you're saying there needs to be a choice made here. Either we fight greed or we fight racism. And not only can't we fight both but one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
If that's what you're implying then i'd reply back with...and thats why no one really cares about the planet. They don't have to. With arguments like yours floating around people will always pick fighting what they think is greed instead of also fighting racism. Which will of course lead them down a rabbit hole to no where and they'll never actually succeed in helping anything. Whatever good they will or could do will just be reversed with time simply because they've made a distinction between things that doesn't exist.
Seriously, there is no greed vs racism. They are the same thing. Of course though your reply isn't all that unexpected. People despise choice. Give a person a wealth of options and they'll automatically whittle them down to two. Even when doing some at the same time is in their best interests. Hench why no one has to care about the planet. Recycling vs feeling better than someone else. *Shrugs* Human nature.
The reason why so many people are angry at the phrase "black lives matter" is because these people have empty skulls. They read the phrase as "only black lives matter" which causes them to lose their temper. If they read it exactly as it is written then they would either have to agree with the slogan or stamp themselves as racists. Of course black lives matter.
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So it seems to me...
Race does exist. Identifiably heredable physical characteristics are used culturally to include members who share those characteristics.
All you have to do is look at, for example, law-enforcement descriptions like (for example) white male, black male, asian male and the like to see that this is a legally and socially accepted means of describing individuals--so race is a cultural fact based on physical characteristics.
No hue and cry has been raised against those who describe Barrack Obama as the first black president or Clarence Thomas and Thurgood Marshall as black supreme court justices. No one objects to phrases and terms like black athletes or Black Studies. Terms like black-on-black crime and black voters are used without raising much outrage.
I won't go into science or genetics. I think there's enough of a body of literature that supports all sides of the biological discussion of race for me not to go into that.
Just because I don't like racism, discrimination based on race, doesn't mean I can discard the fact of race.
Race does exist. Identifiably heredable physical characteristics are used culturally to include members who share those characteristics.
All you have to do is look at, for example, law-enforcement descriptions like (for example) white male, black male, asian male and the like to see that this is a legally and socially accepted means of describing individuals--so race is a cultural fact based on physical characteristics.
No hue and cry has been raised against those who describe Barrack Obama as the first black president or Clarence Thomas and Thurgood Marshall as black supreme court justices. No one objects to phrases and terms like black athletes or Black Studies. Terms like black-on-black crime and black voters are used without raising much outrage.
I won't go into science or genetics. I think there's enough of a body of literature that supports all sides of the biological discussion of race for me not to go into that.
Just because I don't like racism, discrimination based on race, doesn't mean I can discard the fact of race.
Race does exist in the language yes..yes..yes..human culture, made up the concept of race..there is no biological basis for different human races..genetically there is no such thing as different human races..
Race is not a fact..
Race is not a fact..
I doubt that. Most recent literature acknowledges that race as an invalid genetic or biological designation. It is a social designation.
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In their own words:
"Black power" ... "They white? Get they ass" ...
Calling for attacks on whites:
"Black power" ... "They white? Get they ass" ...
Calling for attacks on whites:
This is what scares people. This rage. This emotion. So counterproductive.
So are you saying society decides what race someone is and not their biological makeup?
@Mercurygirl: Many blacks have a mentality of solidarity that people like us can never really understand. They have been so oppressed over the last 250 years that they can no longer have trust in white people. Can't you have some sympathy for what they have been going through? Jjz1109 comments that the rage is counterproductive, but he just doesn't realize that blacks act in rage because they have no other way of having their voices heard. The best way for us to put an end to this is for white people to unify in support of blacks: help them rebuild their communities, give funding for after school programs, rebuild their schools and fund scholarships for blacks in poor areas. It's time white people admit that it's their responsibility for fixing problems in the black community.
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1.) Yes, it scares people--all people. How do we move past being scared?
2.) Rage? This is criminal mob violence. This is social anomy.
3.) You covered 'emotion' with 2.) rage.
4.) Counterproductive? It's so much more than that.
I doubt we can 'crush the revolt' like Romans with the military. 'Lock them up' is not the solution.
So what do we do as a country to end this and eradicate the causes of it?
This is not just Milwaukee's problem.
How about some practical, realistic suggestions?
I wish Glenn good luck. Trying to decouple racism from conservatism will be a hard task and having empathy.
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Not gonna lie. This is strange. Me being in total agreement with glenn beck on not only one thing but two. I wish him good luck as well. It is without doubt going to need it. And just as a precaution maybe he should sure up his security. Especially after having gone after trump.
Well, this response from the people in the vid is definitely NOT going to help. As I said, this scares most of America (maybe all as you suggest, but especially so white America) and perpetuates stereotypes. This adds to the problem. This makes it "us" versus "them" as someone posted earlier.
Acknowledgement that this is not the proper, productive response would be one suggestion. Then some calm, open and honest dialogue between the police/mayors office and community leaders is necessary. There is much to be learned and understood on BOTH side to avoid these events from escalating. But as long as we continue to have this us versus them mentality, that they killed one of us so now we need to strike out in retaliation, we will never move forward.
I will venture to say that there will be some responses here (from both sides of the issue) to the effect that "we have nothing to do, it's them", and this will highlight the problem. Accepting ownership is the first step, and how to resolve is the second.
So what you are saying is there are humans with different biological makeup? How do you define different biological makeup?
Skin color
Blood type
Eye color
Hair color
Height
Weight
Society does not decided race since race is not a fact..It is a man made construct..
Used as a form of power