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inkubus963 said:
Hopefully, cricketsliar is still around..

Cricketsliar, pick up a book titled, "Traitor to the Race" by Darieck Scott. It's a short novel detailing the relationship between two men, one Black, one White, and delves into each of their psychologies. Of particular note was a passage beginning in the middle of page 92, that dealt with Kenneth's desires for White men, and it's possible origins.

I found it a fascinating read, and found that it had parallels to some circumstances that you question.

THANK YOU! I DO HAVE THAT BOOK IN MY PERSONAL LIBRARY, BUT IT HAS BEEN YEARS SINCE I READ IT. REFRESH MY MEMORY, IS THIS THE BOOK WHERE THE PROTAGONIST IS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY A MOB OF WHITE MEN, AFTER TRYING TO INTERVENE IN THE SEXUAL ASSAULT OF A WOMAN.
 

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Getting defensive, calling names (even in response to a name being called), and yelling (ALL CAPS) isn't going to get a good discussion to continue. If fact, you are closing the discussion with your own venom.

Take a deep breath, man.
 

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Lex said:
Getting defensive, calling names (even in response to a name being called), and yelling (ALL CAPS) isn't going to get a good discussion to continue. If fact, you are closing the discussion with your own venom.

Take a deep breath, man.

Thank you Lex, I'll lean back a tad bit.
 

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*cue Terror Squad*

I think the underlying question is: how do we feel about the sexualizing or fetishizing of race? And I think it's no surprise that people get pissed off about it. It's a charged topic to say the least.
 

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cricketsliar said:
You've questioned my background because I was unfamiliar with one term, is that really scientific? I question you're familiarity with any research on this subject? What studies have you READ, what part of your coursework focused on this area? Name the Major players, oh i'm sorry since, you don't know- you much be ignorant? Try that shit on a amatuer, you brokedown queen.
No, I used one example to highlight the flaws throughout your pseudo-intellectualized nonsense. Don't you ever wonder, when multiple people are disagreeing with you for similar reasons on a thread, whether they might actually have a point?

If you try getting off your high horse and considering the possibility that this 'brokedown queen' ("Mommy wouldn't let me be a Brokeback queen, so I had to be a Brokedown queen instead" :rolleyes:) might in fact be a published author of articles on the cultural representation of sexuality and ethnicity... but insults are so much easier for you to throw, clearly. (cf. my current thread on "straight men, gay fantasies" if you are still convinced I'm a total lamer).

As Matthew says, this is a highly emotionally-charged subject matter, and not only in the US. I once turned up at a gay/TV club where I'd been many times before ... only this time with a black boyfriend. And the staff at the door really didn't want to let us in, and warned (!) us that this was a gay club, and not for us. What can you do against idiots so culturally-conditioned that they can't even conceive of the notion of a black person being gay?
 

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cricketsliar said:
ONLY A MYOPIC, ILL-INFORMED FOOL WOULD LET IT REST ON THAT POINT
And you're still doing the same thing. Trying to make it sound like your post has substance rather than letting the substance (or lack of it) speak for itself. What did you actually want to say with that post? Was there a more direct way to say it? Is the way you posted better, worse, or equal to the more direct way? Ask yourself those questions with every post and you'll sound more intelligent than you currently do.

And the reason I didn't respond to the main topic of the thread is that I don't think it's worth responding to. I think there is a hint of a valid point behind it but it's buried under false generalization and meaningless fluff.
 

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cricketsliar said:
THANK YOU! I DO HAVE THAT BOOK IN MY PERSONAL LIBRARY, BUT IT HAS BEEN YEARS SINCE I READ IT. REFRESH MY MEMORY, IS THIS THE BOOK WHERE THE PROTAGONIST IS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY A MOB OF WHITE MEN, AFTER TRYING TO INTERVENE IN THE SEXUAL ASSAULT OF A WOMAN.

That's the one. However, the protagonist was unharmed, his relative was assaulted and killed in the aforementioned rescue attempt. The subject matter was charged because the victim was a Gay Black man trying to protect a White female prostitute from a mob of drunken White men.

I'm in the process of expanding my library in this particular arena. When I find relevant subject matter, I'll post it here.
 

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cricketsliar said:
What is you're background freak? Have you done any ethnocentric research? Are you even remotely familiar with Black culture? Do some fucking participant research with Black peoples in the diaspora, focus on the progression of Black Folklore in the U.S., or if you're such a badass quote five sayings in the wit and wisdom of blacks extant since the Antebellum period.
Go home lightweight!

I am black.

It's funny, what made you assume that I wasn't?
 

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cricketsliar said:
What is you're background freak? Have you done any ethnocentric research? Are you even remotely familiar with Black culture? Do some fucking participant research with Black peoples in the diaspora, focus on the progression of Black Folklore in the U.S., or if you're such a badass quote five sayings in the wit and wisdom of blacks extant since the Antebellum period.
Go home lightweight!

I am black.

So tell me, what made you assume that I wasn't?
I'd really like to see your response to that.
Possibly stereotypes played a role in that assumption.
 

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idont think black men as a hole even think about white cock,i dont really think blacks as a hole really care so much about comparision at all
 

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inkubus963 said:
That's the one. However, the protagonist was unharmed, his relative was assaulted and killed in the aforementioned rescue attempt. The subject matter was charged because the victim was a Gay Black man trying to protect a White female prostitute from a mob of drunken White men.

I'm in the process of expanding my library in this particular arena. When I find relevant subject matter, I'll post it here.

Do you have the anthology called "Shade"? I can't find new work by any of the contributing authors? At any rate, if you read my profile you know i'm big on Essex Hemphill, any thoughts?

peace
 

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alex8 said:
No, I used one example to highlight the flaws throughout your pseudo-intellectualized nonsense. Don't you ever wonder, when multiple people are disagreeing with you for similar reasons on a thread, whether they might actually have a point?

If you try getting off your high horse and considering the possibility that this 'brokedown queen' ("Mommy wouldn't let me be a Brokeback queen, so I had to be a Brokedown queen instead" :rolleyes:) might in fact be a published author of articles on the cultural representation of sexuality and ethnicity... but insults are so much easier for you to throw, clearly. (cf. my current thread on "straight men, gay fantasies" if you are still convinced I'm a total lamer).

As Matthew says, this is a highly emotionally-charged subject matter, and not only in the US. I once turned up at a gay/TV club where I'd been many times before ... only this time with a black boyfriend. And the staff at the door really didn't want to let us in, and warned (!) us that this was a gay club, and not for us. What can you do against idiots so culturally-conditioned that they can't even conceive of the notion of a black person being gay?

Have you publised any articles on the studies of Masculinities? Do you do work in the area of Gender Studies?
 

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Well, I could write volumes now as a white man about to enter the fourth year of a lover relationship with a tall, good looking, masculine black man. I am well hung and uncut and so is he although he is a tad thicker in the penis than I am. There was some subtle penis size friction at the beginning as we played this silly game which involved me telling him that he was big and me asking for the same compliment back.
But..more than that, the three years has opened my eyes to a whole new world of reality...his reality. I come from British stock, the white establishment and he is from Jamaica. I have seen so often how we are treated in public by both gay and straight people, by service people, store clerks, police. For him there is either fearful respect as a powerful, good looking black man or he is ignored as strangers, waiters and other service types talk directly to me as if he were not there. On the other hand, he is so sexually attractive to many gay men that they ignore the fact that he is in a relationship and on so many occassions have had the gall to ask to see his cock or to go to bed with him...right in front of me. He always responds kindly. I can honestly tell you that after three years he honestly believes that most white people are racist without realizing that some of his comments are of an equally racist nature. I've learned a lot and that continues. Doug
 

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Right Matthew! So what then follows is a attitude of dismissiveness towards a viewpoint, an EMPISTEMOLOGY , which cannot be SEEN from ones personal Cultural or Racial vantage point. Judith Butler oftens refers to this as the invisibility of predominance in discursive practices. In my own threads, I have found that many contributors have a"blindspot" towards my World View- because they assume their lack of experience with that WorldView means that WorldView does not exist, and is not shared by many people outside of their own point of view-frame of reference. In the thread "Black Men Who Love White Cock", I attempted to engage in a serious discussion regarding the lack of frank discussion amongst Black Men regarding their own Curiousity with White Cock, and how this lack of discussion is parrallled to a very free ,boundless national discourse regarding the suppossed Myth of the Large Black Penis. People did not seem to understand that there are Black Men who are entranced by White Cock, more easily seen in the gay community, but also hidden deeply within the recesses of the heterosexual world as evidenced by Mr. Simmons story in the book "Out of Bounds" . Instead of my fellow contributors attempted to gain a deeper understanding of the issue I presented, I was treated with Scientific Racism, which essentially amounts to the negation of Cultural Worldviews which cannot be proven through the scientific method.

I APPLAUD BRONXBOMBSHELL.
 

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Thanks cricketsliar ... but what was I right about? You lost me.
 

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cricketsliar said:
In the thread "Black Men Who Love White Cock", I attempted to engage in a serious discussion regarding the lack of frank discussion amongst Black Men regarding their own Curiousity with White Cock, and how this lack of discussion is parrallled to a very free ,boundless national discourse regarding the suppossed Myth of the Large Black Penis.

That's the underlying valid point I referred to before. It's just that something about the way you went about it in the first few posts made it confusing to tell exactly what you were trying to discuss.
 

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RoysToy said:
Ifrit said:
What the fuck are you talking about? You keep making these ridiculous generalizations, that have absolutely to basis in fact. Show me scientifc proof that blacks are taught this at a young age.

Thanks, Ifrit. After reading all this thread, the one thought that 'jumped out at me' was this generalization. Generalizing is so easy to avoid and I never cease to wonder why some are so incessantly addicted to its use. The practice usually seems to raise its ugly head when anything connected with race is discussed!

I think a lot of times when someone posts about these types of generalizations, it's because of their own very fetishistic interest...fetish is a strong thing...and some people will go a long way to hold onto and uphold the ideas that make their privates twitch and tingle.

Or not.
 

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Sorcerer said:
It's funny, I used to hear the same thing when I had two Latino boyfriends in succession. My first BF was a good guy, a student at UCLA, very cute with a great bod and a hot ass...and I was ALWAYS getting shade from other white queens. One night someone yelled "what's that hot blonde muscle boy doing with that Mexican?!" My bf convinced me not to go kick the guy's ass. My second BF came from an aristocratic Central American family. His father was a 4-star General. He had an air of regality about him. He served in the USMC. His English was perfect (Ricky Ricardo accent), his clothes always starched. People still had the nerve to treat him like a wetback. More white guys tried to break us up...As far as we've come, many people still can't stand to see two guys of different races together. With me it's ALWAYS been gay white men who had a problem with it.

When I went out with black guys I got some "I know what he likes" but it wasn't as bad. My favorite club to go out to back then was called "Catch One" and had a largely black clientele. A funny thing happened with me when I dated black guys...it brought out my submissive side a.k.a. oooh, pound my white ass with your big black cock! Out of bed there was really no difference, we were just two men. That was my personal twist. The last black guy I dated was really sweet and right when the tables were about to turn (my tearing his ass in two)...I had to dump him. I told him not to get attached...I'm now with a white guy and it's still strange not having to tell people to mind their own business in regards to the race of my partner. The funny thing is that people have assumed I've not given other races a chance. If they only knew that I didn't date one white guy for 7 years...heh heh.

Racism within the Gay Community is not a new topic. Whereas Black Men tend to be more of a Sexual Status symbol to some, but not all White Gay Men. It has been my observation that some, but not all Black Gay Men tend to regard interracial relationships with White Gay Men as symbol of being of a higher Economic Class, or tend to associate relationships with White Gay Men as being indication they are more Educated than gay's who date intraracially.