Blind Partisanship 101

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CNN Host Grills Wasserman-Schultz: Why Do You Believe Obama’s Denial of Scandal Knowledge But Not Christie’s? | Video | TheBlaze.com

I'd love to see scumbag (read NOT just Liberals) politicians like Debs hooked up to lie detectors to see if they REALLY believe their BS.

It's sad that there's not even the guise of fairness in today's political realm.

What say the folks here: willing to give Christie the benefit of the doubt? If not, are you prepared to admit Obama might similarly have some blame laid at his doorstep for his handful of scandals that aren't scandals when Obama does it, according to good ol Debs?

I for one HOPE (because I do not know or believe with any degree of certainty) that Christie didn't have direct knowledge of it
 

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That depends on if he takes the responsibility even if he wasn't aware of his aides actions. "The buck stops here" and "you're fired" tactic is always the safest route for a pol if they can prove plausible deniability. He has to shoulder the blame for creating or allowing that type of atmosphere in his administration. Also, he should address the question why he didn't know what was going on with his close aides. It speaks to his ability to control a staff.

Those are questions any pol should be asked including Obama. I think the idea that Obama has been allowed to skate by the media on any scandal is a fiction. All the topics the interviewer asked have been well covered by the media. The NSA, the ACA website, the "keep your doctor" fuck up, have had media saturation and Congressional inquiries ffs.

So I think the question is a bogus distraction and what do you expect from hacks like Debbie Wassermann? A non-partisan response? LOL
 

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Just reading up on this for the first time. The gloating emails among the staff members who planned and executed this traffic jam, while joking about stranding school buses, sound like nothing in the world so much as the tapes of Enron traders orchestrating rolling blackouts in California, while making quips about leaving grandma in the dark.
 

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That depends on if he takes the responsibility even if he wasn't aware of his aides actions. "The buck stops here" and "you're fired" tactic is always the safest route for a pol if they can prove plausible deniability. He has to shoulder the blame for creating or allowing that type of atmosphere in his administration. Also, he should address the question why he didn't know what was going on with his close aides. It speaks to his ability to control a staff.

Those are questions any pol should be asked including Obama. I think the idea that Obama has been allowed to skate by the media on any scandal is a fiction. All the topics the interviewer asked have been well covered by the media. The NSA, the ACA website, the "keep your doctor" fuck up, have had media saturation and Congressional inquiries ffs.

So I think the question is a bogus distraction and what do you expect from hacks like Debbie Wassermann? A non-partisan response? LOL

Exactly my point. It's sad (to me at least) that a major member (for better or worse) of the party is so blatantly hypocritical in her critique of Christie and not her guy.

However, I do LOVE that Obama's willful deception (because lie is a faux pas in politics) regarding the ACA's presentation to the country is "policy issue," while this situation is a scandal for Christie, despite zero evidence that he had a thing to do with it.

That said, I question his ignorance on the matter.
 

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Exactly my point. It's sad (to me at least) that a major member (for better or worse) of the party is so blatantly hypocritical in her critique of Christie and not her guy.

It's partisan politics; you see plenty of it on both sides. Politicians are like lawyers, presenting only one side of an argument.

The difference is, at least lawyers know how to reach a settlement. :wink:
 

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It's partisan politics; you see plenty of it on both sides. Politicians are like lawyers, presenting only one side of an argument.

The difference is, at least lawyers know how to reach a settlement. :wink:

That's why I started the thread as I did. While it infuriates me LESS when Conservatives do it (as a result of usually agreeing by default), it is incredibly bothersome.
 

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Exactly my point. It's sad (to me at least) that a major member (for better or worse) of the party is so blatantly hypocritical in her critique of Christie and not her guy.

However, I do LOVE that Obama's willful deception (because lie is a faux pas in politics) regarding the ACA's presentation to the country is "policy issue," while this situation is a scandal for Christie, despite zero evidence that he had a thing to do with it.

That said, I question his ignorance on the matter.
I agree that these pundits and pols all try to minimize their side in any wrong doing while maximizing that of their opponents. But as annoying as it is, it's part of the territory. It happens everyday right here in this forum.

That said, I think there is space to say there is a difference in misrepresenting a policy and a case such as this. The former happens all the time in politics. It's not ok, but... This bridge closure scandal could result in criminal charges of reckless endangerment or worse being brought against the officials involved.

Even if Christie didn't know nothin', I doubt that aides so close to him would have taken such actions if they didn't think the boss would be down with it.

Anyway, tempest in a teapot. Try getting your head around the scandals where I reside. Lawrence O'Donald would have an aneurysm. This week, the government fire or reassigned to traffic duty, 350 police officers in Ankara who were working in the organized crime and financial crime units. These officers were looking into charges of graft at the highest levels of the government and the ruling party. There is a serious bureaucratic civil war going on between the executive and the judiciary. The currency has lost 7% of it value and the borsa in Istanbul has dropped by 17% in a month. We wish all we had to worry about were some lane closures and who knew what when.
 

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I couldn't tell what this was about. Couldn't see the intro and the title gave no clue. It's apparently about the unfortunate Christie traffic scandal.

I guess the easy thing to do would be call the guy a scumbag as some are wont to quickly do for others and leave it at that.

Fact of the matter is, Christie had a high believability/trustworthy factor with me (or about a good as a politician can have) though that wouldn't have necessarily translated into support or a vote for him.

For me (as I've said here before) it's as much the party platform as the candidate (if not more) and WHATEVER Christie's personal qualities, he would not be able to garner the support (or nomination) of the party without also embracing at least some of the ideas of the more radical (and unfortunately, influential, it seems) members of the party. And last I looked, they haven't learned much of squat from the last election and why large segments of voters (and minorities) voted against them.

As for this "buck stops here" rationale that insists the guy in charge is ultimately responsible for what his minions do (the argument being he should have known), I don't particularly subscribe to it. Heaven knows how many times staff go out and do something STUPID, thinking it's in the best interest of "the chief" (that whole IRS bit, for example).

Whether people believe Christie's profession of innocence or not really depends on how he handles it, and so far it didn't seem to go all that smoothly yesterday. Time will tell.
 

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Politicians lie.
Obama is just better at the game than anyone else right now.
His cred has taken a big hit, but what 2 term president doesn't?

Regarding Christie...don't know...don't care. Small potatoes. He's getting hit now because he is a GOP frontrunner. Time will tell if he handles the scandal and continues to gain momentum. I would certainly stomach him above Cruz, Rubio or heaven - forbid Ryan.
 
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not just politicians lie, dude. and Obama is not effective at it, unlike MANY of his predecessors. you are just not old enough to remember. and, unlike many of them, he works overtime making amends for those statements he made that havent always been true, especially concerning Obamacare. for that , he should be applauded.
and for those of you who have forgotten, he HASNT lied about working to get us OUT of Iraq and Afghanistan. and the recent book by his former defense secretary (Robert Gates) clearly illustrates just that.
 

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Politicians lie.
Obama is just better at the game than anyone else right now.
His cred has taken a big hit, but what 2 term president doesn't?

Regarding Christie...don't know...don't care. Small potatoes. He's getting hit now because he is a GOP frontrunner. Time will tell if he handles the scandal and continues to gain momentum. I would certainly stomach him above Cruz, Rubio or heaven - forbid Ryan.
I can't envision any one of those that are mentioned here carrying the ball too far. As for Christie, 'small potatos'? He's cooked! I think really the only reason he was popular is because he's fat as hell.
 

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This will blow over just like Hilliary and Benghazi, which by the way if far worse than a traffic jam. Which BTW is a common occurrence in NYC and on the GW. So its really not that big of a deal.

Look what Obama did to the bond holders of GM, their value was downgraded to nothing just because that is what Obama wanted. So regardless if Christie knew or not it's just politics as usual.
 

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GM is now rolling in dough, as are its shareholders. Obama did what he HAD to do to save the jobs of millions of autoworkers, and he did. Christie is a bully, pure and simple. sorry to say he has the New Jersey mindset of someone you might see on HBO's Boardwalk Empire. PITY !!!
 

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not just politicians lie, dude. and Obama is not effective at it, unlike MANY of his predecessors. you are just not old enough to remember. and, unlike many of them, he works overtime making amends for those statements he made that havent always been true, especially concerning Obamacare. for that , he should be applauded.
and for those of you who have forgotten, he HASNT lied about working to get us OUT of Iraq and Afghanistan. and the recent book by his former defense secretary (Robert Gates) clearly illustrates just that.

Is this real life, or am I reading in some sort of twilight zone?
 

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And the OP is not blindly partisan with over 2000 posts about politics. Okay....

Huh? For one, I've never professed to be a neutral; I'm NOT!! I have viewpoints that are Liberal, ones that are Conservative, and ones that are so radical neither main party would touch em.

Perhaps you might expand upon how discussing politics qualifies one as a blind partisan?
 

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It's the same old double standard. How many nights of this bridge thing have we seen on the evening news vs. latest developments on Benghazi ? It's crazy. Even the Wall Street journal says this bridge thing is jaywalking compared to what's gone on in Obamas admin (Benghazi , IRS scandal, NSA spying, obamacare lies and screw ups . . . ).

And the best is that the lead investigator (Weinstein I think), a democrat (sure of this) has already announced he finds it hard Christie didn't know about this! He's already reached his conclusion. This guy should be removed immediately. Where's his objectivity? What about innocent until proven guilty?

Honestly, I don't think Christie knew, he's too smart to let something like a traffic jam derail his higher aspirations.
 

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It's the same old double standard. How many nights of this bridge thing have we seen on the evening news vs. latest developments on Benghazi ? It's crazy. Even the Wall Street journal says this bridge thing is jaywalking compared to what's gone on in Obamas admin (Benghazi , IRS scandal, NSA spying, obamacare lies and screw ups . . . ).

As in, even that radical, left-wing propaganda tool, the Wall Street Journal?