BNP- what do they do next?

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the thing is, many people, such as yourself, will say that we are to blame for the enormous publicity, but in all honesty, the protests were not that greatly covered. also, we campaigned with petitions etc. our major issue was that there were no true anti facists on there. and like you said, he made several points that people liked, people did clap him. thats what we didnt want. we didnt damage our cause. we had alot of people donate and sign petitions. i wish we didnt get violent, but i have no influence over what others do.
 

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i was one of the protesters outdide. parties like the BNP crave the legitimacy that the BBC gave them. i was happy to see that he was made to feel as uncomfortable as he was and look a ptat. but look at it this way. for a million people that watched it, 100 people probably now support the BNP. thats 100 too many. the bbc spoke about freedom of speech but the crowd was vetted so now UAF (unite against fascism) no SWP (Socialist workers Party) or anyone else could get in. where is our freedom of speech?

Might I air a degree of caution here...

Are these a 100 die hard, blood thirst, neo Nazi, white supremacists?

Or are they parents and families who see their children, their own being side lined in health, education and accommodation for non nationals? That hear a politician voicing what they are thinking?

I suspect these are everyday people who feel let down, ignored and unfairly treated in comparison to the country they grew up in.

To quote master Yoda...

Mistreatment leads to indignation, indignation leads to prejudice, prejudice leads to hate, hate leads to racism.

Right now, there are many British that feel mistreated by Britain and the clock seems to be ticking.
 

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Might I air a degree of caution here...

Are these a 100 die hard, blood thirst, neo Nazi, white supremacists?

Or are they parents and families who see their children, their own being side lined in health, education and accommodation for non nationals? That hear a politician voicing what they are thinking?

I suspect these are everyday people who feel let down, ignored and unfairly treated in comparison to the country they grew up in.

To quote master Yoda...

Mistreatment leads to indignation, indignation leads to prejudice, prejudice leads to hate, hate leads to racism.

Right now, there are many British that feel mistreated by Britain and the clock seems to be ticking.

I know very little about the BNP, let me make that clear before anything else I say so as not to cause a ruckus.

Is the BNP as racist as people claim? The wikipedia entry basically says they're against "non-white" immigration, but Wikipedia can always be wrong if someone chooses to make it so.

Being against immigration if it is being put ahead of people that are citizens doesn't necessarily make one racist, but what little I see of the BNP says they are kind of racist.

If I'm wrong about anything feel free to let me know. Hearing it from British citizens over websites would be good.
 

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Might I air a degree of caution here...

Are these a 100 die hard, blood thirst, neo Nazi, white supremacists?

Or are they parents and families who see their children, their own being side lined in health, education and accommodation for non nationals? That hear a politician voicing what they are thinking?

I suspect these are everyday people who feel let down, ignored and unfairly treated in comparison to the country they grew up in.

To quote master Yoda...

Mistreatment leads to indignation, indignation leads to prejudice, prejudice leads to hate, hate leads to racism.

Right now, there are many British that feel mistreated by Britain and the clock seems to be ticking.

Fair questions Rp, i think alot of people who have been discussing this programme at work today feel that the UK is so small to keep the borders open, they have genuine worries about their children's future, worries about the NHS being privatised with the extra demand for healthcare, Pissed off that people who have been on Government housing list for years have to go further down the list because housing has been found for asylum seekers etc. The main point is people do genuinely feel let down and mistreated by Britain, but also feel like second class citizens in their own country.
In my village a large company that employed 400 workers closed down and sacked people, reopened 4 weeks later and only employs asian people who come on coaches everyday to complete the work that was previously done, people are pissed that this country allows this sort of practice to go on.
I have alot of black friends and they are fed up with the way this country is going.
 

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As a mixed-race, gay man, i have zero reason to support the BNP. That said, they do raise some points which resonate with me. I live in an area of London where gay men, such as myself, are being targetted for verbal/physical abuse. The perpetrators are, in every case, Muslims. I was debating this with a demonstrator last week, outside Holborn station. While doing so, two Asian men overheard me declare my sexuality & threatened me with a beating 'for being a filthy homosexual'. For me, the BNP are a minor worry. The swelling mumbers of religious fundamentalists (including Christians) pose a far more likely threat to liberalism.
 

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I know very little about the BNP, let me make that clear before anything else I say so as not to cause a ruckus.

Is the BNP as racist as people claim? The wikipedia entry basically says they're against "non-white" immigration, but Wikipedia can always be wrong if someone chooses to make it so.

Being against immigration if it is being put ahead of people that are citizens doesn't necessarily make one racist, but what little I see of the BNP says they are kind of racist.

If I'm wrong about anything feel free to let me know. Hearing it from British citizens over websites would be good.

I worked just recently with a man who now works for the BNP, he gave me some inside knowledge about what the BNP truly stand for.

Firstly i shall say that the BNP is doing well with its anti-immigration policy, it is a real concern for many (not me, the more eastern europeans the better!) but other parties such as UKIP are perhaps the more wisened choice for those who know the history of the BNP.

The party associates itself with the KKK in the US, the National Fronts in UK and France as well as other far right parties in Germany and Latvia.

It is gaining influence by using immigration as a foothold but their actual agenda is an all-white UK.
An indigenous all-white UK and they would support such radical suggestions as all black and asians leaving the UK to 'go home' even when they are home.

To look at it another way they would support all whites leaving Australia ans South Africa, all non-native americans would be shipped back to their ancestors homelands, black, white or asian because they believe that we should be indigenous societies.

They claim not to recognise the word racist and that they have nothing against non-whites and that they are all for diversity but this cannot happen if the world becomes all 'coffee-coloured'. This was told to me personally after i confronted a former colleague over his membership of the party and subsequent recruitment to its payroll.

The party believes in INEQUALITY and not equality, they are against abortion, euthanasia, homosexuality, islam, judaism, all non-christian denominations. They are bigots through and through and supporters of that party must be made aware about its views underlying.

BNP is made up of smart people with bigotted views, always a dangerous combo.
 

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Makes sense, thanks for the explanation.

Immigration is a tough issue for sure. The US was based on it, and indeed many people all over the world are children of immigrants so it seems cruel and wrong to say "You can't come here".

However on the other side of that coin, immigrants getting free services when citizens are struggling to pay for the same thing, can obviously cause people to become upset.

Things get muddy with stuff like universal healthcare like we're dealing with now in the US. I mean a standing senator called Obama a liar out in public for saying illegals wouldn't be covered. It seems wrong to say "You need to go broke and die because you're not a citizen" but at the same time, it seems like it could put a tremendous strain on the system if anyone can come to the country and get services covered by the taxpayers, which they may not be a part of.

I personally have more of an issue with outsourcing of jobs when corporations and companies are simply after the bottom line.
 

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on question time nick griffin openly admitted that he considered islam a wicked and vile religion. thats how racist the one guy claiming to not be racist is. as for tardis' village factory workers being sacked. thats not an asain problem, its the factory's owners. i know you didnt say it was the asains fault but i fear many workers will be angry with them rather than their bosses
 

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as for tardis' village factory workers being sacked. thats not an asain problem, its the factory's owners. i know you didnt say it was the asains fault but i fear many workers will be angry with them rather than their bosses

Well there's another issue. How much blame lies with greedy employers in Britain. It's easy to target those who take the jobs and let's face it if you were in their situation you would take the job. I hold my hands up and admit I would.
 

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i support the postal strike and originally was annoyed by the massive scabbing operation but then i thought, i would too. these are difficult times. in my opinion the owners are at fault with much of what is wrong in britain
 

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Bosses are damn greedy! There has been a lot said in the media about fat-cat bonuses and those particularly of bankers but it is much more widespread than that, it stinks.

My boss gets bonuses for meeting targets on certain aspects which require me and my peers to do a great job, we have the term 'team' and 'working together' thrown down our necks in order to achieve good results then when the rewards come in the team spirit is extinguished in favour of the boss getting the sole benefits.
 

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In my village a large company that employed 400 workers closed down and sacked people, reopened 4 weeks later and only employs asian people who come on coaches everyday to complete the work that was previously done, people are pissed that this country allows this sort of practice to go on.

Sadly it's the Asian workers that would bare the brunt of people indignation of the situation but frankly it would be the greedy factory owners that are to blame.

It can not be acceptable buisness practice to under cut the cost of living for local workers with substandard pay. That should be illegal not 'good buisness' cost cutting.

...two Asian men overheard me declare my sexuality & threatened me with a beating 'for being a filthy homosexual'.

Let me see? I wonder what would have happened if you had called misogynistic, medieval zealots?

I wonder if a fight broke out, whether it would have been you as a victim of homophobia or they as a a victim of racism?

I hate the race card, and I do not accept the bull shit that it is not played, by any race! It should be a case that we're all British first and foremost in the eyes of the law.

Being gay in the whole of the UK is perfectly legal and no one and no religious should have rights over the law of the land!
 

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on question time nick griffin openly admitted that he considered islam a wicked and vile religion. thats how racist the one guy claiming to not be racist is. as for tardis' village factory workers being sacked. thats not an asain problem, its the factory's owners. i know you didnt say it was the asains fault but i fear many workers will be angry with them rather than their bosses

Correct Littlelemon, it is not the asians fault, the point i was making is they become the target of the sacked employees and their families, lots of the sacked employees are having their homes repossessed or selling up which adds to the fuel and creates the divide, most asian people are buying up these homes as to be nearer to work which again adds fuel to the fire, The government should not allow these greedy employers to do this, but it seems to be happening all over the place.

Well there's another issue. How much blame lies with greedy employers in Britain. It's easy to target those who take the jobs and let's face it if you were in their situation you would take the job. I hold my hands up and admit I would.

True, at the end of the day you look to your own families and self, everybody needs the bread and butter, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

Sadly it's the Asian workers that would bare the brunt of people indignation of the situation but frankly it would be the greedy factory owners that are to blame.

It can not be acceptable buisness practice to under cut the cost of living for local workers with substandard pay. That should be illegal not 'good buisness' cost cutting.

Exactly!!, the government does nothing regard this, It's like the two Catholic schools in my village, the asian community want to stop the teaching's of Catholic Faith and prayers as it is against their religion and Culture, in the first place they are catholic schools and second place children are being uprooted from their school to accommodate the Asian community as they feel they are being discriminated against by these teachings. Things like this do not go unnoticed by Joe Public it does cause resentment and anomosity.

But i totally disagree and do not uphold BNP, but alot of people are not happy in this country and to be honest i don't think alot of it is about Racism.
 

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But i totally disagree and do not uphold BNP, but alot of people are not happy in this country and to be honest i don't think alot of it is about Racism.

One of the problem i see is that everyone is told they the UK is a multi cultural nation, that we should be accepting of other cultures and traditions but the glaring obvious fact is, most of the cultures accepted into Britain want no part of British culture.

From the start, there is a created 'them' and 'us' divide, hence the birth of cultural divides and resentment.

Going to a catholic school and them objecting to Catholicism? What the fuck, I'm sorry to say there and many Asian nations that if you were to move to and send your children to the local school, you would be deported is not stoned for raising objections to the nations religion!

Do we not remember the war that broke out after a cartoon of the prophet Mohammed was drawn, or the school teacher jailed and deported for naming a class pet 'Mohamed' at the children request.

Some schools in England have English as a second language? This frankly takes the piss yet no one dare say anything as it consider the preservation of foreign heritage and culture.

What ever happened to "When in Rome"?

I do not find any of that acceptable, yet to raise concerns over the matter labels you a bigot and a racist! ...why not throw paedophile, rapist and witch in there too, just to really get people afraid of opening there mouths to speak out.

I think this in part is that some cultures can not and do not identify themselves as a nationality first, but a religion. I had a conversation with a guy from Birmingham once, second if not third generation Brumi of Asian origins, who got so aggressive when i said he was English. As far as he was concerned he was Muslim. When I asked when nationality he was, he seemed not to understand the difference, aggressively so!

I think the whole PC leprosy and multi cultural acceptance has, some might say inevitably, confused what it actually means to British in 2009, for all those who actually are British, race, religion irrespective.

Britain would do well to implement a policy that aimed to unify and bring all peoples and cultures in Britain together under the common identity of British! Be that English, Welsh, Scottish or N.Irish!

New Zealand have done it, as have Australia, America, France and a number of European nations, why can't the UK?

The whole Britishness test was a joke! Fish and chips, Only Fools and Horses... good old Britain, no fucking idea, once again.

For example, all schools in NZ are English speaking, as are the national facilities and offices...is it because they are a bunch of racist xenophobic sheep shaggers, or is it because English is the accepted and standard first language of communication in the nation? As for immigration, unless you can prove you can speak the language fluently and comprehensive, and actually have a noted skill of trade required to better the nations economy, you're told to piss off at the door!

Shit, even the Americans have the oath of allegiance. No worries Dell Boy, our front door's always open!

I would go as far as to say the the British have been so afraid of offending cultures that it has openly accepted into it's own that it's no long able to say what it actually means to be British without quoting musty best forgotten history books or for fear of causing racial intolerance.

Grow some balls, draw some lines be a nation defined by it's accomplishments and achievements not it's intolerances and identity inadequacies.

God, it makes me so angry and no one that has seen it first hand will read this and thinks, racist bastard.

Well, no, I'm not, I'm a disillusioned, dispassionate and abandoned English man.

Whether I'm black, white, Asian or Jewish, Christian or Muslim would do nothing to alter that fact.
 
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