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faceking said:
(which I think you may be Strozno.... KIDDING)

I think faceking may be onto something here.

Stronzo - I am not denying that there are homophobes here. There are, along with racists, misogynists, soccer watchers, light beer drinkers and Republicans :tongue:

But... isn't tarring all heterosexuals (well, heterosexual men, as you have hinted in this thread) with a McCarthyesque homophobe brush a form of heterophobia?

I gotta say, when I saw this thread along the left side :)smile:) of my screen, I didn't even have to click on it to know who the thread starter was.
 

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stronz:

i agree, i think it is fear-based as well, but as someone mentioned earlier (sorry i'm too tired to try to find it) there's a difference between the blatently homophobic (e.g. ew! fag, get away!) vs. the more insidious form of heteronormativity (e.g. i have nothing against gays, i just don't think it's right). it's similar to overtly racist vs. institutionalized racism. it's kind of scary, because it's often the more masked, insidious type that does great damage, because it's less easily visible and doesn't sound as demented or sick as the more blatant stuff.
 

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mainer1 said:
In my experience, str8 and gay people can get along and tolerate eachother's existences as long as neither group tries to impose it's will on the other. .

Therein lies the problem...we do live in a world where str8 society imposes it's will onto gays and lesbians. Some of the opinions from this board are a reflection of that. And yes, I do believe that people in general (not just some LSPG members) feel that being homophobic is not on par with racism or anti-Semitism so they feel little concern about being labeled a bigot.
 

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prepstudinsc said:
I think that people are hypersensitive and need to get over themselves. There is far too much whining on here. Have a drink or a cup of coffee or a piece of pie or something.

LOL...yeah, totally disproving my statement about people remaining ignorant and closed-minded and fearing social change. god forbid you might read the board with the thought that you might actually learn something new...

i don't object to your opinion, but could you offer some intelligent discourse why you might disagree? this reeks of what someone said earlier: "too much thinking hurts, so i'll just call everyone a whiner and discount what they have to say." i can see the humor in your post, but come on...

sorry to call you out man, but take some repsonsibility for what you say and be a bit more aware...
 

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Isabella, we who feel ourselves to be in any oppressed minority, must keep agitating to advance our cause, but, we must avoid dogfights about trivial matters.
 

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You haven't been around here long enough to hear all the whining and carrying on. 99% of the people on here aren't homophobic. Most of the people on here are gay.

I've seen racism abound on here, but not homophobia.

mtguy1972 said:
LOL...yeah, totally disproving my statement about people remaining ignorant and closed-minded and fearing social change. god forbid you might read the board with the thought that you might actually learn something new...

i don't object to your opinion, but could you offer some intelligent discourse why you might disagree? this reeks of what someone said earlier: "too much thinking hurts, so i'll just call everyone a whiner and discount what they have to say." i can see the humor in your post, but come on...

sorry to call you out man, but take some repsonsibility for what you say and be a bit more aware...
 

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prepstudinsc said:
You haven't been around here long enough to hear all the whining and carrying on. 99% of the people on here aren't homophobic. Most of the people on here are gay.

I've seen racism abound on here, but not homophobia.

Haven't seen homophobia Monty? If you don't call this homophobia I'd like to hear your adjective for it:

pichulon said:
The purpose of sexual organs is one of reproduction. In the animal kingdom reproduction is the motivation to exist. Thre are unicellular life forms that reproduce by simple spliting into two cells, and then subsequently cells divide and divide.
There are the hermaphrodite life forms, like the snails and some fish, where each representative of the species has both sex organs, female and masculine. Still, they need the intervention of a second animal of their species to fertilize, there is no self fertilization , although they can assume a female or male posture a they see fit.
There are the species that have clearly separated males and females. In these species the male and the female are created with specific aparatus to peform in a specific way to attain natures goal which is procreation, reproduction, the survival of the species.
In non inteligent animals...
( assuming human beings are the inteligent ones, although several species have demostrated a level of inteligence that is substantial, i.e Chimpanzees, Gorillas, Dolphins, Dogs, etc, there is levels and levels)...
... operate under the principal of estrous, seasons, hormonal changes that happen at the right time of the year, and only at the right time, to avoid having babies born in the chill of winter, in the dry months of the year, in the low food seasons, etc ( depending on the area of the globe).

Homosexualism is not a planed behavior nor a goal of nature. It serves no purpose. In the animal kingdom there is no sex beyond the mating season ...( except in captive or domesticated animals that lost their natural seasons and behavior due to corraling, or, artificial situations, like dogs, cattle, etc.)
... and in the animal kingdom there is no use for homosexuality. Cases of homosexuality in animals include many times a juvenile individual that has not yet developed a mechanism ( psycological) to reject or to seek females / males. There is no penetration of males by males, no oral sex performed by a male on a male , nor anything that many times humans want to athropomorphize on other species.
In our case, human beings, we have gone beyond any estrouses or seasons because we have learnt through our intelect to go beyond those natural barriers due to the fact that we can care for babies in any season, in any condition. We learnt to do away with seasons and estrouses before we learnt how to become a civilized society. Since nomadic times humans have chosen to have sex beyond the natural barriers mating seasons used to represent.
No animal goes beyond their seasonal clock, you will not see babies born in the winter in cold climates, you will not see babies born in dry seasons in the african deserts, you will not see baby pelican birds born in low fisheries seasons. Sex in only the means nature has found to asure the reproduction of species. If we had to work hard and stress out in order to reproduce and have sex, we would not do it. It has to be an enticing proposition.
Said that, again, and to no offense, homosexualism is not the intention of nature. It is an accident. Homosexualism is due to many causes, exposed baby brains to hormones the mother has taken during pregnancy, hormonal imbalances other than the brain, and psycological factors brought up by enviroment situations.
I know of a sad case were a guy at school, who was not gay, was teased and teased about being gay to the point that this guy was so disturbed that he ended up being gay. I remember being one of the guys that kept defending him, telling the others to leave him alone. Unfortunaltely, kids at teen times can be very mean, and this kid was steered into something he was not supposed to be. Years later he wrote a letter to our school about bullying and school harrassment that our school posted and the school strictly enforces anti bullying rules with no tolerance.It became a landmark case about harrassment.

In the human race, there is 2 sexes, male and female. They were meant to seek each other for procreation, through the enticing activity we call sex. That is the goal of nature. Anything else is the imperfection of nature, anomalies.Human beings can chose to be homosexual of are driven into homosexualism by internal hormonal unbalances, exposure to substances that can be influencial ( feminizing and masculinizing agents all around us that can alter a baby from its earlier stages in the womb untill later in childhood) and even enviromantal factors like the case at school I mentioned earlier. The fact that we respect others with those alternative lifestyles does not and can not erase the fact that homosexualism is not natural.
Any person getting offended by this reality should be objective and understand that realizing heterosexuality is the way the human race was made to perform in order to achieve natures goal, procreation and survival of the species.That is not the equivalent to say gay people are bad. Gay people are alive and we have to embrace them, but that act of acceptance and coexistence does not include shying away from reality. If the human race were intended to have homosexual relations as a norm, we would had been a hermaphrodite species.

Give it your best shot. You tell me what that represents.

I think we should start a thread about those who dismiss other's opinions by calling them 'whining' so they can detach themselves from reality.:rolleyes:

Beyond that Lex invited me to begin a thread on the topic. You're childish attempt at belittlement is beneath you.
 

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mtguy1972 said:
LOL...yeah, totally disproving my statement about people remaining ignorant and closed-minded and fearing social change. god forbid you might read the board with the thought that you might actually learn something new...

i don't object to your opinion, but could you offer some intelligent discourse why you might disagree? this reeks of what someone said earlier: "too much thinking hurts, so i'll just call everyone a whiner and discount what they have to say." i can see the humor in your post, but come on...

sorry to call you out man, but take some repsonsibility for what you say and be a bit more aware...

He's pulled the 'you haven't been around here long enough' card on you. Now keep your place! How dare you voice an opinion.

They used it on me upon arrival too mtguy.:rolleyes:

This one's part of the self-proclaimed 'in group'. Be forewarned.
 

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rob_just_rob said:
But... isn't tarring all heterosexuals (well, heterosexual men, as you have hinted in this thread) with a McCarthyesque homophobe brush a form of heterophobia?

Rob please reread what I wrote. I've done nothing of the kind. You appear not to have read my position on 'phobias'. I don't fear stupid heteosexual men. I simply want to disempower them.

I gotta say, when I saw this thread along the left side :)smile:) of my screen, I didn't even have to click on it to know who the thread starter was.

Good then. My stance is as clearly known as my resolve.
 

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oh...how long do i have to be on here before i can have an opinion?

so it's not homophobic just because you say it's not? or we can't have a discussion about it because you don't want to?

when you label it as "whining" you're turning off your open-mindedness and switching to judgment. this is convenient because it means you don't have to read through the intelligent comments people are making and actually consider what they're saying.
 

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Wonderboy said:

ah cool prepstud.

Wonderboy's with ya. :wink:

mtguy1972 said:
oh...how long do i have to be on here before i can have an opinion?

so it's not homophobic just because you say it's not? or we can't have a discussion about it because you don't want to?

when you label it as "whining" you're turning off your open-mindedness and switching to judgment. this is convenient because it means you don't have to read through the intelligent comments people are making and actually consider what they're saying.

You, my friend, are a very quick study.

Welcome aboard.
 

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In the case of homophobia and racism in chat rooms (along with any other sort of objectionable behaviour), it seems to me there are two reasonable responses:

1. try to engage the person and educate them if you have the time and energy
2. avoid or ignore them if not

My preference is #1 but if that fails then #2 is always an option.

Expecting everyone you meet in real life to be intelligent, open-minded, good-natured and willing to learn is a sure and certain way to experience frustration and disappoinment. And that goes double for people you meet on the internet.
 

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Stronzo said:
You present the situation exactly.

The part I made bold is idealism. I don't see the 'cental goal' in play . . .
Quite. However, I do see a central goal to some degree and that would be the people who are subjected to both plights agree that the world is destitute when it comes to justice and equality. That is, justice for the racially oppressed and equality for homosexuals.

Granted, there are very many people that don't fit nicely in with my line of thought; yet, there are those who possess the ability to step-back from the shadows that their hurt has cast over them and really observe the grand scheme of things. Namely, that would be one's ability to draw the parallels of our separate ordeals and resolve to fight together . . . my point is such people exist. I would know as I am one of them, and there exist others on this very board.

Consider, if you will, the vast number of racial minorities that have joined organization that fight for the equality of homosexuals, themselves not being gay. Take also into account the number of homosexuals (closeted or otherwise) that have partnered with associations whose main goal is to stamp out racial bigotry. Therefore, in this instance, I think my idealism (yes, I will call it idealism) has segued itself into reality . . . and quite remarkably so.

Stronzo said:
But nonetheless your ability are perspective and logic is profoundly "spot on" as my friend Daverock would say.
Thank you . . . I really do appreciate that.
 

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rob_just_rob said:
Perhaps not in this thread, but your body of work here suggests otherwise.

Rob?

What piece of this thread has invited you to categorize and critique me to make me fit into your sense of me? There is no such invitation. Private message me if you want to discuss my 'body of work' as you so complimentarily call it. We'll chat.

Beyond that. The entire hew and cry of this thread to denounce it as 'whining' is based 100% in the response of our male heterosexual members. I wonder, just maybe, if there's a correlation? :33:
 
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