Boehner, where are the jobs?

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Thank you for taking care of that, sargon20.
"Poor people DO create jobs. But then they become rich." LOL!!! It's like we have a group of people who get their political and social philosophies from a fortune cookie.

Poor people do create jobs... but the mass majority of them still remain poor despite all of their efforts.
 
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Thank you for taking care of that, sargon20.
"Poor people DO create jobs. But then they become rich." LOL!!! It's like we have a group of people who get their political and social philosophies from a fortune cookie.

Poor people do create jobs... but the mass majority of them still remain poor despite all of their efforts.

Couldn't resist it :smile:

'Poor people do create jobs then they become rich' then we get jealous of them. Is that how it works? The 'logic' is so deficient on so many levels. It's downright Palinesque. Long term issues like income disparity to international competitiveness to education are just conveniently shellacked over.
 

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Sorry, let me rephrase my post...

Poor people do create jobs. *I was once poor*. *I started my own technology consulting business*. *My income went from under $20k a year to the mid 6 figures* *I am now considered rich*. *I am now paying very high taxes* *I have instituted a hiring freeze for new labor until our monetary/borrowing/tax policies are solidified*.

@VinylBoy & @Sargon20 - I'm guessing neither of you has every had the luxury of actually CREATING a job for another person, where they are able to support a family, get excellent medical coverage, and save for retirement.

Your "arguments" are laughable.

Instead of lauding the "poor" to then become "wealthy", you deride them. You are jealous fools.
 

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Sorry, let me rephrase my post...

Poor people do create jobs. *I was once poor*. *I started my own technology consulting business*. *My income went from under $20k a year to the mid 6 figures* *I am now considered rich*. *I am now paying very high taxes* *I have instituted a hiring freeze for new labor until our monetary/borrowing/tax policies are solidified*.

At a mid-six figure salary, you are not rich by any stretch of the imagination. Don't flatter yourself.

@VinylBoy & @Sargon20 - I'm guessing neither of you has every had the luxury of actually CREATING a job for another person, where they are able to support a family, get excellent medical coverage, and save for retirement.

And as usual, you guess wrong. You should really get a refund on that crystal ball of yours. It's faulty.

Your "arguments" are laughable. Instead of lauding the "poor" to then become "wealthy", you deride them. You are jealous fools.

I'll think about that in two weeks when members of my company and I embark on another two week tour of Brazil & Miami if I'm somehow "jealous" of people like you. Maybe somewhere between the martinis, Brazilian Carnival, two music festivals in South Beach, six live events and not giving a damn whether you live or die, I may feel just a bit of envy. Although I doubt it VERY much. :rolleyes:

But I digress... what does your ignorant, uninformed banter about what you think goes on with me personally have anything to do with the lack of job creation bills being presented by the current Speaker of the house? Care to join us with the thread topic or come up with something remotely related to it?
 
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Sorry, let me rephrase my post...

Poor people do create jobs.

I would say you do realize we don't give a shit about your personal life and what you did with it. Your rags-to-riches story is your story and is not the story for millions and billions of people. In fact statistics proves it. But facts don't matter do they?

Jealousy? Don't make me laugh. That's the top-down message conservatives have been using for decades. The United States was built by the middle class and not by the thin slice at the top as much as they would have you believe. And as VB said your mid-6 figure income are mere pennies compared to the money that's on the table to be had by the deft industrialists that run this world. Though I highly doubt anyone with an income in the mid-6's could come up with a sentence 'Poor people do create jobs then they become rich'. It sounds like a bedtime story you tell your pre-school kid.
 

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Thank you for taking care of that, sargon20.
"Poor people DO create jobs. But then they become rich." LOL!!! It's like we have a group of people who get their political and social philosophies from a fortune cookie.

Poor people do create jobs... but the mass majority of them still remain poor despite all of their efforts.

You forgot to add " . . . in bed." Always add "in bed" to the end of a fortune cookie. :smile:
 

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As for Boehner jot having one "job creation" idea to put forth, I propose from now on his failure be known as Boehner's Boner.

That strange skin color of his could also be a symptom of Addison's Disease. But he still looks like he's suffering the results of drinking too much bourbon.
 

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Sorry, let me rephrase my post...
My income went from under $20k a year to the mid 6 figures* *I am now considered rich*. *I am now paying very high taxes* *I have instituted a hiring freeze for new labor until our monetary/borrowing/tax policies are solidified*.

You are not rich but are doing well enough to be in a higher tax bracket.

Nobody is in the US right now is paying "very high" taxes as measured by historical averages, especially on unearned investment income, a.k.a. capital gains.

I bet that you'd not have thought to hunker down on investment unless the right wing echo chamber and the chamber of commerce had not made that their talking point over the past 18 months.

One might imagine that lack of demand might eclipse regulatory uncertainty as a bound on investment. Until the matter of demand is solved, there will be insufficient customers with the means to buy products and any recovery outside of the Wall Street casino will falter.

My contention is that the monetarists of the Volcker and Greenspan era got it wrong. Interest rates did serve as a means to moderate the economy when Keynesianism failed in the 1970s. However monetary policy is not working anymore. Even the Fed agrees with this, hence QE1 and 2.

There is also a correlation between high tax rates and rising wages both with and absent inflation. The conservative tax whiners have this wrong. Sovereign debt denominated in the national currency is not problematic when demand is slack. Low tax rates especially on unearned income are a prescription for an economic death spiral. Free trade is neither free nor trade when trading partners are not equivalent economically.

What we have here is a 30 year spell of economic taliban imposing economic sharia on the US economy with predictable results in the US economy hurtling back into the stone age. We need a mixed economy similar to western Europe that invests in the workforce as well as employers.
 

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and then we bring in H-1B workers on top of that.

This is the true insult of them all. People are directed to whine about illegal immigration. But without undocumented workers, a burger would cost $25.

But the US Government egged on by US-based tech companies have granted exemptions in strong border controls to allow in 50K south Asians per year to work in tech even though there are as many unemployed American techies.

The National Science Foundation encouraged this H1-B policy in order to drive down domestic tech wages. And it has worked. I am now billing 60% of the hourly rate I billed in 1998 in absolute terms. Relatively, with a decades of inflation that adds up to about 2/3 of the earning power.

See UC Davis CS professor Norman Matloff's H1-B page:

Norm Matloff's H-1B Web Page: cheap labor, age discrimation, offshoring

Either we have open borders for all, and I get to ditch this right wing freak show for Europe, or we have a government that stands up for American working people first.
 

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Poor people DO create jobs. But then they become rich. By many of your philosophies, it is then fair game to criticize those "formerly" poor people. It is obvious your disdain for wealth is based on greed/jealousy, not a true sympathy for the "poor" who you help to keep down.

Spot on.

It's unfortunate, esp in the mainstream mediums.... that all/most rich are demonized, and the poor are all innocent and victims. When in reality it is often quite the opposite more often than not.

The class envy and the spinning of the numbers between the "wealthy" and the "poor" is getting to become udder B.S. As Apple sells it's 30 millionth iPhone in the US amidst a population, not to mention all the other $200+ non-work smartphones in the US.... where's the priorities vs the actual poor. It's fun to say it's a nation of "have and have nots", but frankly I see the "haves" as still the middle if not low-middle class when I drive by poor neighborhoods, and see 50" inch plasma flats screens on the walls of living rooms, with kids playing one of a bevy of $50 games on a $350 console... asking the gov't "where's mine" and "tax the rich more"....
 

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Spot on.

It's unfortunate, esp in the mainstream mediums.... that all/most rich are demonized, and the poor are all innocent and victims. When in reality it is often quite the opposite more often than not.

The class envy and the spinning of the numbers between the "wealthy" and the "poor" is getting to become udder B.S. As Apple sells it's 30 millionth iPhone in the US amidst a population, not to mention all the other $200+ non-work smartphones in the US.... where's the priorities vs the actual poor. It's fun to say it's a nation of "have and have nots", but frankly I see the "haves" as still the middle if not low-middle class when I drive by poor neighborhoods, and see 50" inch plasma flats screens on the walls of living rooms, with kids playing one of a bevy of $50 games on a $350 console... asking the gov't "where's mine" and "tax the rich more"....

Best description of the Tea Baggers I've ever read. Of course, the white trash poor Tea Baggers with the moral compass of a box of Count Chocula -- but Tea Baggers, nonetheless.:biggrin1:
 
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Either we have open borders for all, and I get to ditch this right wing freak show for Europe, or we have a government that stands up for American working people first.

Don't hold your breath. The power of the average worker has been greatly deminished and grows weaker with every election. And the greatest coup of all is you have the poor thinking they're rich (see the posters above).
While millions of ordinary Americans are struggling with unemployment the and declining standards of living, the levers of real power have been all but completely commandeered by the financial and corporate elite. It doesn’t really matter what ordinary people want. The wealthy call the tune, and the politicians dance.


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Best description of the Tea Baggers I've ever read. Of course, the white trash poor Tea Baggers with the moral compass of a box of Count Chocula -- but Tea Baggers, nonetheless.:biggrin1:

It's amazing how people can delude themselves into believing that the poor & working class in this or any country, who voice their struggles are doing so out of jealousy and envy. Especially when the ones who believe it aren't even rich themselves. They equate every cry for affordable housing, every expression for affordable healthcare, every shout for better education & opportunities as nothing more than begrudging words of the lazy who need the government to help them, ignoring the fact that if their house burned tomorrow the same government they claim to not need would be there in the form of a fire truck to try and save all of their precious loot.

The mainstream media doesn't demonize everyone with money... just the greedy people who don't give a shit about anyone else and do whatever they can to take more away from those who need help the most. It's kinda sad that many of the Tea Baggers have more in common with the man and woman they clash with ideologically, yet can't come to grips with it because they're so sure one day one of the truly rich people are gonna look at them and their so-called "superior work ethic" and let some of that good fortune "trickle down" on them. For every person they want to claim "works hard" and makes it, there are several others that do the same thing if not more yet don't. However, their inflated egos and selfish attitudes prevent them from seeing just how lucky they really are to have received the right breaks at the right time.

I'm really, REALLY trying my hardest to not single out the most ignorant and obvious of people who say all of this stuff, but it's hard. I know too many people with hopes and dreams who put their heart and soul into doing what's right, only to be chewed up and spit upon to the point where they lose all hope to continue. Nothing pisses me off more than shallowness & greed. It's really a sickness of the immature and the paranoid who honestly believe that the more they got, the more important they are. Fuck that shit.
 

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The class envy and the spinning of the numbers between the "wealthy" and the "poor" is getting to become udder B.S. As Apple sells it's 30 millionth iPhone in the US amidst a population, not to mention all the other $200+ non-work smartphones in the US.... where's the priorities vs the actual poor. It's fun to say it's a nation of "have and have nots", but frankly I see the "haves" as still the middle if not low-middle class when I drive by poor neighborhoods, and see 50" inch plasma flats screens on the walls of living rooms, with kids playing one of a bevy of $50 games on a $350 console... asking the gov't "where's mine" and "tax the rich more"....

It is sad, but true. Class envy is nothing new, and has been with us since the dawn of time. However, industrialists were once held up as role models. Carnegie, Ford, Edison... By their sheer genius, ingenuity, and work ethic, they transformed their respective industries, and the world.

Everyone I know who is fortunate enough to have a fair amount of money, earned that money. It wasn't inherited, it wasn't gifted, and it wasn't "stolen" by abusing the public at large.

And VinylBoy - you have never created a job, and the fact you're traveling in South America on a per-diem means absolutely nothing. What is your point?
 

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Like I said... I tried not to single anyone out. However, bitches always be trying it. :rolleyes:

And VinylBoy - you have never created a job, and the fact you're traveling in South America on a per-diem means absolutely nothing. What is your point?

Actually, that's a great question to ask you. What was YOUR point trying to rub into people's faces that you "create jobs"? You ignorantly brought that to the discussion first like it was supposed to earn you a leg up in this thread. Too bad it didn't since many people on this board own businesses and employ people to do work for them. I mentioned my company's tour of South America since you accused me of being "jealous" of someone like you. Don't quit your day job because writing comedy isn't your best suit. But if it needs to be put out there, with the monthly event I'm starting tomorrow in New York I just created another 50 new employment opportunities, with projections to expand beyond that in less than a year (which ironically is still more than what Boehner has pushed for in the House). And that doesn't even include what I'm doing overseas or several other states. You have no clue as to what I do so don't talk shit when you have no proof of it.

The mass majority of people work their asses off to take care of their needs and assist the people they love. At the end of the day, that's the only thing that matters. Many work harder than you could ever fathom. Yet misguided "mini moguls" such as yourself really think you hit it big time because you make a six figure salary and "create jobs", then ignorantly dismiss the frustrations of others caught in the struggle as jealousy & envy. When in reality, most people couldn't even give a damn what you have in your bank account, your house, what you drive or even the bitches you fuck. One has to be really insecure and paranoid to think people are going to be in awe of your deficient intellect after you spewed that exceedingly laughable, self absorbed, socially ignorant, "Rags To Riches" tripe.

*I was once poor*. *I started my own technology consulting business*. *My income went from under $20k a year to the mid 6 figures* *I am now considered rich*. *I am now paying very high taxes* *I have instituted a hiring freeze for new labor until our monetary/borrowing/tax policies are solidified*.

That happens every damn day in this country. It ain't nothing new. Luckily, most people I know who have stories of success still retain some level of humility as they continue to grow. Seriously, get over yourself and back on topic. It will be in your best interest to do so.
 
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Government has no business trying to manipulate private business. The Obama administration has not created close to the number of jobs they state. For example they included all of the Census jobs which were short term and are now gone. The unemployment rates in the US vary by state but on average its closer to 10%. That is up about 5% from when Obama took office. These are facts just open any paper.

Do some research on Israel. The have more entrepreneurs per capital than any other nation other the US. Their GDP is a fraction of what the US they have very few government employees why? There is something there, most major companies, Intel, Microsoft, Intuit, etc. base major parts of their businesses in Israel. The US needs to stop thinking we know everything and look at countries like Israel and finally learn that government does not create jobs. Private companies, entrepreneurs create jobs, get government out of the way.
 

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Government has no business trying to manipulate private business. The Obama administration has not created close to the number of jobs they state. For example they included all of the Census jobs which were short term and are now gone. The unemployment rates in the US vary by state but on average its closer to 10%. That is up about 5% from when Obama took office. These are facts just open any paper.

Do some research on Israel. The have more entrepreneurs per capital than any other nation other the US. Their GDP is a fraction of what the US they have very few government employees why? There is something there, most major companies, Intel, Microsoft, Intuit, etc. base major parts of their businesses in Israel. The US needs to stop thinking we know everything and look at countries like Israel and finally learn that government does not create jobs. Private companies, entrepreneurs create jobs, get government out of the way.
Learn some history and you'll discover that the Government can, in fact, create millions of jobs:


The Works Progress Administration (renamed during 1939 as the Work Projects Administration; WPA) was the largest and most ambitious New Deal agency, employing millions to carry out public works projects, including the construction of public buildings and roads, and operated large arts, drama, media, and literacy projects. It fed children and redistributed food, clothing, and housing. Almost every community in the United States had a park, bridge or school constructed by the agency, which especially benefited rural and Western populations. Expenditures from 1936 to 1939 totaled nearly $7 billion.[1] The budget at the outset of the WPA in 1935 was 1.4 billion dollars. It provided work for three million "employables" at this time, however there were an estimated 10 million unemployed persons at this time.

Works Progress Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Learn some history and you'll discover that the Government can, in fact, create millions of jobs:


The Works Progress Administration (renamed during 1939 as the Work Projects Administration; WPA) was the largest and most ambitious New Deal agency, employing millions to carry out public works projects, including the construction of public buildings and roads, and operated large arts, drama, media, and literacy projects. It fed children and redistributed food, clothing, and housing. Almost every community in the United States had a park, bridge or school constructed by the agency, which especially benefited rural and Western populations. Expenditures from 1936 to 1939 totaled nearly $7 billion.[1] The budget at the outset of the WPA in 1935 was 1.4 billion dollars. It provided work for three million "employables" at this time, however there were an estimated 10 million unemployed persons at this time.

Works Progress Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The WPA did not *Create* jobs. It *Mandated* jobs. How did it pay for the jobs? It taxed existing private sector workers and companies out of existence.