Boehner, where are the jobs?

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In addition, the WPA which was instituted beginning in 1935 didn't have much of an effect on the overall unemployment rate.
http://www.workbloom.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/1938-depression.gif

The main catalyst for unemployment reduction were the war industries, which beginning around 1938/39, started selling massive quantities of munitions to Great Britain. When we entered the war in 1941, unemployment was essentially reduced to 0.
 

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The WPA did not *Create* jobs. It *Mandated* jobs. How did it pay for the jobs? It taxed existing private sector workers and companies out of existence.

Headed by Harry Hopkins, the WPA provided jobs and income to the unemployed during the Great Depression in the United States. Between 1935 and 1943, the WPA provided almost eight million jobs.

Works Progress Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (as already posted by Indy)
Works Progress Administration Colorado State Archives (for more verification)

To create does not mean to mandate... although it does make for a nice rhyme if you're planning on becoming a political gangster rapper.

The main catalyst for unemployment reduction were the war industries, which beginning around 1938/39, started selling massive quantities of munitions to Great Britain. When we entered the war in 1941, unemployment was essentially reduced to 0.

Using the same chart you provided, we can see that unemployment spiked to almost 20% by the time the program was implemented in 1938. By the time 1941 and the war came around, the unemployment rate was down to 10%. Which means that WPA did help to bring down unemployment in a major way (which was as high as 25% according to your chart). That is unless we're now supposed to assume cutting a figure in half mathematically is not considered to be a major change. If that's the case, how about you take away 50% of your current bank balance, throw it away and tell us if that is not significant?

Between the the WPA and the War, unemployment was reduced to a nearly zero level in 1944. The war wouldn't have been able to cut the unemployment rate down all by itself... it just provided more opportunities for the rest looking for any kind of job to take.
 
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The WPA did not *Create* jobs. It *Mandated* jobs. How did it pay for the jobs? It taxed existing private sector workers and companies out of existence.
It did not. Would you care to show how the funding mechanism of the WPA "taxed private sector workers and companies out of existence?
 

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Government has no business trying to manipulate private business. The Obama administration has not created close to the number of jobs they state. For example they included all of the Census jobs which were short term and are now gone. The unemployment rates in the US vary by state but on average its closer to 10%. That is up about 5% from when Obama took office. These are facts just open any paper.

Do some research on Israel. The have more entrepreneurs per capital than any other nation other the US. Their GDP is a fraction of what the US they have very few government employees why? There is something there, most major companies, Intel, Microsoft, Intuit, etc. base major parts of their businesses in Israel. The US needs to stop thinking we know everything and look at countries like Israel and finally learn that government does not create jobs. Private companies, entrepreneurs create jobs, get government out of the way.
I realize you said "number of entrepreneurs", but since you didn't provide any links to your research, I took your advice and did a bit of my own.

Israel ranks first on the list of US Foreign Aid.

Israel ranks 21st on the Global Entrepreneurship and Development Index (GEDI) Rankings. That link is provided by the US Small Business Administration and The Heritage Foundation btw.

The USA is ranked third overall behind Denmark and Canada. It has fallen in the rankings over the last 10 years particularly on the GEDI's Entrepreneurial Activity Sub-Index. USA is now ranked 8th behind Denmark, Canada, Puerto Rico, Ireland, Norway, Switzerland and Sweden of that sub-index. All (Puerto Rico isn't a country... yet) governed by horrible high tax, socialist entities who have set out to create jobs (good ones) through intelligent government policy. Government is totally "in the way" and in fact showing the way in Denmark and Canada.

The problem in the US is that there is such a gridlock in society between the centre and the right (real lefties being just a blip on the radar), that the only mutually acceptable solution to any social problem such as unemployment, is to throw money at it willy nilly. Instead of using their brains and creatively solving a problem, representatives are scared shitless of losing their jobs in the next election and so deep into the pockets of special interest groups.
 

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"Start Up Nation" it is a book about Israel and how out of nothing they created a culture of entrepreneurship. This country is lacking in education, taxes people to this hilt (to create "jobs"), forces business to seek employment outside the country, has lost our manufacturing sector, has settled for mediocrity and continues to blame "wealthy" people for the problems.

Its sicking to hear stories of how the wealthy are greedy, when was the last time you got a job from a poor person. When was the last hospital expansion built by Joe the bum on the street. These things are funded by wealthy people. Where do the schools go when the budget money runs out, fund raising to the wealthy. If it were not for the charity of wealthy people many social programs would have never gotten off the ground.

Again government does not create jobs period end of story. Let the private sector handle the jobs in the country. By my account the rich are still rich so they must know something, while the government is broke. Keeping in mind that so called wealthy people still pay over 80% of the tax in the US. Odd that those dam rich people just stay rich. Again government needs to model government after those people stop spending, cut programs that need to be cut and get the hell out of the way. Leave me and my business and what I pay my employees up to me and leave me the fuck alone.
 

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It did not. Would you care to show how the funding mechanism of the WPA "taxed private sector workers and companies out of existence?

Are you serious? Can you show me how higher taxes on business creates jobs? By your logic, why doesn't the government resurrect WPA and guarantee everyone a job? That worked really well for the USSR:rolleyes:

This is a graph taken from the current economic period. Pretty obvious connection between the increase in public sector jobs, and the decrease in private sector.
http://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2010/10/8/saupload_private_vs_public_jobs.jpg
 

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What a waste of effort my last post was.

Now you know exactly why I get a little miffed around here. Too many ideological thinkers engaging in glaring deflection & vehement denial of all evidence provided just so they can preach their beliefs to no end with no substantial facts to back them.

Then again, if we lead a cat to a piece of fresh salmon and it decides to lick its own ass instead is that really our fault? :confused: :biggrin1:

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when was the last time you got a job from a poor person.

I'm not wealthy, nor did I net $50,000 last year after taxes. Yet I can still create projects and hire people to work for me based on reasonable financial projections, good relationships with others and a willingness to take a few hits to develop something that will last. The 50 freelance people who will be working the event I put together tomorrow will all be getting a job from me. And depending on how we all work together, this project will become a regular thing which means a potential for project growth and more money for everyone involved. That's one way to do it from the ground up.
 

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That's because you haven't been paying attention.
Need proof? Go ask GM and Chrystler. And while you're doing that, check out your federal and state unemployment rates.
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Tax payers spent $710,000 per saved job for GM, and $870,000 per saved job for Chrysler. Thats far from a success. we could have spent alot less than that for those employees to stay home and do nothing. This is another perfect example of how inefficient Government is.

I'll give you this though Vinyl, you have proven you spin anything.
 

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Tax payers spent $710,000 per saved job for GM, and $870,000 per saved job for Chrysler. Thats far from a success. we could have spent alot less than that for those employees to stay home and do nothing. This is another perfect example of how inefficient Government is.

I'll give you this though Vinyl, you have proven you spin anything.

Can't wait to see how they spin that. I'm guessing one of them will state that the "positive reinforcement" those jobs gave to the autoworkers is priceless, and that you're just a greedy-capitalist who puts a price-tag on self-worth.
 

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The 50 freelance people who will be working the event I put together tomorrow will all be getting a job from me..

By hiring these workers on a temporary "freelance" basis, you get out of paying the 7.65% portion of employment tax, as well as any responsibility for unemployment, health insurance, 401k, etc... So, out of their meager freelance salary, they are forced to pay for all of these things out of pocket.

Isn't this the sort of thing you decry? I guess only when it's someone else who's doing it, and not when you're benefiting directly.
 
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This is another perfect example of how inefficient Government is.

I just don't know why you are in the U.S.? You should really move to the myriad of countries out there with no government. Somalia?? Afghanistan?? You could build your business there and become a job creator like bisexualjock. Just imagine the success you would have with NO government whatsoever. I'm just totally baffled :confused:.
 

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I just don't know why you are in the U.S.? You should really move to the myriad of countries out there with no government. Somalia?? Afghanistan?? You could build your business there and become a job creator like bisexualjock. Just imagine the success you would have with NO government whatsoever. I'm just totally baffled :confused:.

You mean like Hong Kong? The freest economy in the world? Sure, I'll move there.
 
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You mean like Hong Kong? The freest economy in the world? Sure, I'll move there.

Please BY ALL MEANS go. Have a good life. Take deep deep breaths.

Haunting Asia, a brown cloud blots out sun


BEIJING — A noxious cocktail of soot, smog and toxic chemicals is blotting out the sun, fouling the lungs of millions of people and altering weather patterns in large parts of Asia, according to a report released Thursday by the United Nations
 
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Tax payers spent $710,000 per saved job for GM, and $870,000 per saved job for Chrysler. Thats far from a success. we could have spent alot less than that for those employees to stay home and do nothing. This is another perfect example of how inefficient Government is.

I'll give you this though Vinyl, you have proven you spin anything.

And I'll give you this in return. Produce a link that backs your claims or you're full of it.

Also, do keep in mind I've already done the math just in case these numbers have any real relevance and you still don't have enough of a gripe to make. But because I'm such a fair sport, let me clue you in on one of the specifics. Keep in mind you did say taxpayers (plural) and according to statistics, there are roughly 138 million taxpayers in the United States. So you can only imagine how your figures (if they're even true) breaks down when you look at one individual taxpayer. I'll leave it there for now. It's now up to you to provide proof of your claims or back down... or go into your usual tirade of insults. Believe me, I'm prepared either way for the outcome.
 

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By hiring these workers on a temporary "freelance" basis, you get out of paying the 7.65% portion of employment tax, as well as any responsibility for unemployment, health insurance, 401k, etc... So, out of their meager freelance salary, they are forced to pay for all of these things out of pocket.

Isn't this the sort of thing you decry? I guess only when it's someone else who's doing it, and not when you're benefiting directly.

I would give a damn if I actually cared about the person doing the crying. Right now, you're doing it and you've been nothing but an asshole around here so I couldn't careless if you went bankrupt tomorrow.

With no actual monetary figures as to what I'm paying my people, all of the calculations and numbers you're throwing around right now don't mean a thing. In my field of work, the majority of people freelance because that is the lifestyle they choose to engage in. That is no fault of mine. We all make our own career choices growing up. If you don't like the idea that I have access to an abundance of freelance talent that exonerate me from going after permanent employees and paying certain taxes & benefits, then perhaps you should have thought about how you wanted to make your living to get rich (with that six-figure salary)? I did.

Beyond that, do keep in mind that you're engaging me in a ridiculous, virtual dick measuring contest as to who makes and spends more in this country as if this is supposed to make you better than the next guy or more knowledgable on a subject matter that anyone can look up on Google and calculate themselves. Please tell me... just how insecure are you?
 
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Boehner the budget hawk shifts his course

"So be it."

That was House Speaker John Boehner's cold answer when asked Tuesday about job losses that would come from his new Republican majority's plans to cut tens of billions of dollars in government spending this year.

"Do you have any sort of estimate on how many jobs will be lost through this?" Pacifica Radio's Leigh Ann Caldwell inquired at a news conference just before the House began its debate on the cuts.

But but not in my state:
But it just so happens that a GE plant that develops the second engine employs 7,000 people in Evendale, Ohio, near Boehner's district. Rather than take a so-be-it attitude toward jobs his constituents may hold, he's backing an earmark-like provision in the spending legislation to keep funding the unneeded GE engine.

"I believe that over the next 10 years this will save the government money," Boehner reasoned at his news conference.
 

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sargon20: It's Boehner vs. Boehner!
Before - YouTube - ‪Boehner: President Obama's Policies Are Killing Job Creation‬‏
After - YouTube - ‪Boehner- So Be It on Job Losses‬‏

How nice... a complete flip flop on views surrounding job creation in this country, based on fallacious claims and using his ideological rhetoric surrounding "spending" and "smaller government" as a catalyst to get the usual suspects all in line and regurgitating the talking points. At this rate, I hope the coders behind the "Where are the jobs" counter programmed it to go into the negative.
 

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Not only have the Republicans failed to introduce any legislation to "create jobs", as they promised they would, they instead have proposed spending cuts that would slash ONE MILLION jobs from the country's economy:

Well, Mr. Speaker, I do. I checked with budget expert Scott Lilly of the Center for American Progress, and, using the usual multipliers, he calculated that the cuts - a net of $59 billion in the last half of fiscal 2011 - would lead to the loss of 650,000 government jobs, and the indirect loss of 325,000 more jobs as fewer government workers travel and buy things. That's nearly 1 million jobs - possibly enough to tip the economy back into recession.

Boehner the budget hawk shifts his course
 

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Their government workers who cares. In most cases the private sector can do the work and pick up those jobs. Oh ya if the government workers then had to work in the private sector they might actually half to work. Dam their goes my plan.