faceking said:It's very very very very easy to play ball... is it our policies that keep Paragauy poor? or Madagascar? how about Mexico (right next door) or Ecuador... eh Sierra Leone.. or the bevy of Western (NOOOOOOOOOOOOON-MUSLIM nations) African nations.
Zora, Zora, Zora, Zora....do you really think this is about economics, and our lack of welfare.... should we throw billions of "aid" into corrupt governments, all to just get shit on again???
I'm not trying to chastise you or others, but many miss the point....
This all ties to Israel...
In all seriousness.. I assume/hope you have read one of the most important documents going forward.. in Osama Bin Laden's note about 9/11 (before folk go on their GWB rants) as to why it happened...
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,845725,00.html
Even if you've read this months or years ago, please re-read again, so as to realize the long-term struggle the US is up against... you live in a superpower, this is what happens... if you have issue move to an insignificant country (and it's not a "US... take it or leave it bravado"). this happens often and everywhere, and you'll note the policy that Bin Laden is across party lines as well as nations (UK, other European nations, etc...). notice how much time he spends on policy on israel.. and continues to (sans when CBS, NBC, NPR, ABC insert liberal mainstream network/newspaper here deletes out).
so assuming you've read it....
The American death tool of 9/11 still exceeds that of the Iraq War (very few casualties) then the Iraq occupation/rebulilding (the bulk of casualites). That's three years vs three hours (do you subtlely get why we are there now?). Human/psycological/economic impact of attacks abroad vs on home soil????!!!!!
How did today go vs [insert random roadside bomb attack here].. and noone died today either... ;-) (gotcha)
Anyways, it's about American-Jewish interests - see political pressure of NYU, NY Times, Goldman Sachs, LA Times, CBS, NPR, BU, Yale, it goes on.
What is the Democrats solution for supporting Israel?
You goddamn know well that Hillary, Boxer, Pelosi, Kennedy, Lieberman, Dean (scratch that.... Dean has the where-with-all of Michael Jackson), Reid, Durban have ZERO actionable plan for Israel.
If you hear anything about peace and compromise and "getting along"... then it's like promoting the fry cook of fries and onion rings to be the CEO of Burger King. They don't get the business of this region, and are just posturizing with short-term solutions (see Carter Camp David accords, and Clinton "agreements" inbetween blow jobs from BBW interns).
And why does the American media ownership miraculous refuse to address this? I'm not anti-semetic... but the state of Israel is what this all over.. and US support thereof. Can you not deny that Bin Laden spent the bulk of his blathering on Palestine/Israel/support thereof.
Sometimes I think, just let the US spent 90 billion to relocate the X Jewish citizens to the US and Europe, and be done with it. Let the loonies who still live in the 9th century blow-up Israel and use it for overflow parking for Syria.
And by the way, it amazing the absence of "women's rights" thread on LPSG for females of the middle east. Christianity be damned for what it's done to gays, but the koran, the treatment of women (and especially gays) must be respected..
Fucking hypocrites, most of you.
faceking... I agree with some of what you say, but your overall point eludes me. You seem to blame the Dems, and have only praise for the GOP. But don't the republicans support Isreal as much if not more than the Dems?
And what do you actually propose we do vis a vis Israel? Simply abandon them to the wolves in the Middle East? Let the only real democracy in the whole region be obliterated by it's totalitarian, religious extremist neighbors?