Bomb Plots foiled

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faceking said:
It's very very very very easy to play ball... is it our policies that keep Paragauy poor? or Madagascar? how about Mexico (right next door) or Ecuador... eh Sierra Leone.. or the bevy of Western (NOOOOOOOOOOOOON-MUSLIM nations) African nations.

Zora, Zora, Zora, Zora....do you really think this is about economics, and our lack of welfare.... should we throw billions of "aid" into corrupt governments, all to just get shit on again???

I'm not trying to chastise you or others, but many miss the point....

This all ties to Israel...

In all seriousness.. I assume/hope you have read one of the most important documents going forward.. in Osama Bin Laden's note about 9/11 (before folk go on their GWB rants) as to why it happened...

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,845725,00.html

Even if you've read this months or years ago, please re-read again, so as to realize the long-term struggle the US is up against... you live in a superpower, this is what happens... if you have issue move to an insignificant country (and it's not a "US... take it or leave it bravado"). this happens often and everywhere, and you'll note the policy that Bin Laden is across party lines as well as nations (UK, other European nations, etc...). notice how much time he spends on policy on israel.. and continues to (sans when CBS, NBC, NPR, ABC insert liberal mainstream network/newspaper here deletes out).

so assuming you've read it....

The American death tool of 9/11 still exceeds that of the Iraq War (very few casualties) then the Iraq occupation/rebulilding (the bulk of casualites). That's three years vs three hours (do you subtlely get why we are there now?). Human/psycological/economic impact of attacks abroad vs on home soil????!!!!!

How did today go vs [insert random roadside bomb attack here].. and noone died today either... ;-) (gotcha)


Anyways, it's about American-Jewish interests - see political pressure of NYU, NY Times, Goldman Sachs, LA Times, CBS, NPR, BU, Yale, it goes on.

What is the Democrats solution for supporting Israel?

You goddamn know well that Hillary, Boxer, Pelosi, Kennedy, Lieberman, Dean (scratch that.... Dean has the where-with-all of Michael Jackson), Reid, Durban have ZERO actionable plan for Israel.

If you hear anything about peace and compromise and "getting along"... then it's like promoting the fry cook of fries and onion rings to be the CEO of Burger King. They don't get the business of this region, and are just posturizing with short-term solutions (see Carter Camp David accords, and Clinton "agreements" inbetween blow jobs from BBW interns).

And why does the American media ownership miraculous refuse to address this? I'm not anti-semetic... but the state of Israel is what this all over.. and US support thereof. Can you not deny that Bin Laden spent the bulk of his blathering on Palestine/Israel/support thereof.

Sometimes I think, just let the US spent 90 billion to relocate the X Jewish citizens to the US and Europe, and be done with it. Let the loonies who still live in the 9th century blow-up Israel and use it for overflow parking for Syria.

And by the way, it amazing the absence of "women's rights" thread on LPSG for females of the middle east. Christianity be damned for what it's done to gays, but the koran, the treatment of women (and especially gays) must be respected..


Fucking hypocrites, most of you.

faceking... I agree with some of what you say, but your overall point eludes me. You seem to blame the Dems, and have only praise for the GOP. But don't the republicans support Isreal as much if not more than the Dems?

And what do you actually propose we do vis a vis Israel? Simply abandon them to the wolves in the Middle East? Let the only real democracy in the whole region be obliterated by it's totalitarian, religious extremist neighbors?
 

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Well there was this guy on the radio talking a lot of sense,saying that George 'fuckwit' bush saying that America is at war with islamic fascists really doesnt help.As it simply brands sane people who dont go round blowing people up and isnt likely to make them feel good about the little twat.
 

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first things first, i dont believe there was any bomb plot to be thwarted. its just something to put the fear in the hearts of people and usher a new wave of control systems.


besides that i was always pissed of by terrorist activities because the never focus on the real targets, why blow up people when you can blow up politicians! that would be more effective.

now, about the reasons that terrorist exist i would say thats pretty clear..
maybe is the USA and its allies stopped invading countries that didnt agree with them.
maybe if the USA and its allies didnt spread poisonous propaganda about countries that didnt follow them.
maybe if the USA and its allies didnt financialy exploit poorer countries.
maybe if the USA and its allies didnt essentialy put fear in the hearts of people
maybe if the USA and its allies didnt blatantly support the occupation of palestine to create the semite nation?

maybe then we wouldnt have so much terrorism.. i mean why arent there any major terrorist activities in germany,france,japan* and china? maybe because these nations arent bullying other countries so agressively?



*bordering on safety with its pro-war iraq stance
 

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faceking said:
Anyways, it's about American-Jewish interests - see political pressure of NYU, NY Times, Goldman Sachs, LA Times, CBS, NPR, BU, Yale, it goes on.
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy

By John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt
Working Paper Number:RWP06-011
Submitted: 03/13/2006


Abstract
In this paper, John J. Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago's Department of Political Science and Stephen M.Walt of Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government contend that the centerpiece of U.S. Middle East policy is its intimate relationship with Israel. The authors argue that although often justified as reflecting shared strategic interests or compelling moral imperatives, the U.S. commitment to Israel is due primarily to the activities of the “Israel Lobby." This paper goes on to describe the various activities that pro-Israel groups have undertaken in order to shift U.S. foreign policy in a pro-Israel direction.

http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011/$File/rwp_06_011_walt.pdf

faceking said:
If you hear anything about peace and compromise and "getting along"... then it's like promoting the fry cook of fries and onion rings to be the CEO of Burger King. They don't get the business of this region, and are just posturizing with short-term solutions (see Carter Camp David accords, and Clinton "agreements" inbetween blow jobs from BBW interns).
Haha.

faceking said:
Sometimes I think, just let the US spent 90 billion to relocate the X Jewish citizens to the US and Europe, and be done with it. Let the loonies who still live in the 9th century blow-up Israel and use it for overflow parking for Syria.
Please G-Dub, just launch those warheads and roast that worthless part of the world to a smoldering crisp. Women and children will be a sad but necessary casualty.
 

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faceking said:
Stronzo (and by the way welcome back)

I think it's your genuineness which appeals to me most about you fk.


you be at the gate inside of 10 minutes. McCarthy'ism is dead...
Not as long as you're among us no, it's not.

the feds could care less about gay New Englanders.

That's "Gay American" to you bud.

You illustrate beautifully the issue I take with the misuse of the phrase "couldn't care less". Thank you.

The worst you'll do is protest at the Judy Garland festival and hold up a half-block of traffic on Charles St.

It would be the Back Bay. Charles Street is nothing but a gaggle of shop keeps. I don't have any great affection for the late Miss Garland except for feeling tragically sorry for her short painful life.

Beyond that I don't protest I manifest.


So pleased to see you back in form.
 

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Stronzo said:
The last thing we need right now, in my opinion, is a fascist state.
You sure? Name one fascist state that is at threat from terrorism (rather than Civil War or public unrest). I think hunGreek is on a winner here.

Actually I feel rather uplifted today. You see, can you imagine the stress and grief that will happen in 5 years? 10, 20,30..heck, I may be around for 50 years of the War on Terror.

Of course, Muslims and associated darkies will be continously checked searched and profiled under narrower and stricter conditions. It'll be interesting to see in the future whether the public majority will demand a final solution to this crisis.

And I put a point on 'Final Solution'. I think history is about to be made, something that happens once a century, and I can tell my grandchildren. "Yep, I was there when they were all rounded up..."

Because seriously, what is the alternative? How many civil liberties will the majority surrender for the sins of the minority, how many of the majority will suffer for the crimes of the minority, how many people of the majority WILL DIE, because of the insane beliefs of the minority?

Can anyone tell me with a honest mind that they would gladly suffer and share the same evils as the minority who are trying to destroy them?
 

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Originally posted by Jeff Black:

See, that is my thoughts exactly. IF they have some sort of demands, what are they? Do they just want to show that they are big men, and capable of attacking the US? I really dont' understand it....

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To me, their demands/wishes could likely be boiled down to the US detonating all of its nuclear warheads over its own soil and that of our allies.

Yes, we have a long list of dealings in the ME; some good, some not so good. We've made a list of mistakes dealing with the ME and those that live there. To me, it doesn't seem anyone in world history has ever quite pegged how to deal with the squabbling middle easterners. Are we responsible for the perpetual poverty that reigns in this part of the world? I doubt it, we're not that smart or capable. And, it's not like we've forced them to keep their oil revenues for themselves (ruling parties/families) and not spend it on improving conditions for their populations...nor take way-below-market prices for their oil all these years, especially these days.

If you're a leader of an oil-rich nation, is it easier to have schools & mosques in your country teach/preach hatred of the US/West than to give a true world view? Probably so. It gives the populace an enemy to blame, other than their own leaders, for their being perpetually stuck in the sand. As a country we (dems and repubs) know this and go along with it...very sad.

Powerful countries have been exploiting less-powerful countries for eternity. Sometimes the "exploiting" is in light grey font and about size 4, other times it is black bold size 85 font and flashing. It doesn't mean it's justified, just that it happens...as shit often does.

Our pride at being the supposed lone superpower in the world is likely about as useful as Michael Jackson still calling himself the King of Pop. We use that status to "make our presence known"/"interfere" (take your pick) in world affairs more than we would if this were 20-30 years ago, true enough. But, to keep perspective, if you go back 20-30 years ago, how many currently free countries did the Soviet Union have standing armies in, directly controlling the governments??? Despite our bungled/mistaken foray into Iraq, I seriously doubt we'll ever be legitimately compared in the same breath with that kind of hegemonism.

We've got to acknowledge that our open society allows people who wish us no harm to come here and start a new life. It also guarantees relatively free access to those wanting to cut our throats. To ignore tracking these people because you could possibly offend someone... :banghead2:
 

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Shelby said:
Racial profiling is alive and well in the good old USA.

We just call it by a different name.

Affirmative Action.

Shelby-

Though somewhat off-topic you've managed to make me laugh out loud. Your perspective, though sometimes easily as unwelcome as my own, lends an air of authenticity to this place.

Batten down your hatches old boy!

:wink:
 

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ORCABOMBER said:
You sure?

Hell no. I'm never sure. The only thing I'm sure of is that my dick's in my pants and I like how it feels when I rub it. But I'll never sanction profiling. No sir.

Actually I feel rather uplifted today. You see, can you imagine the stress and grief that will happen in 5 years? 10, 20,30..heck, I may be around for 50 years of the War on Terror.

Of course, Muslims and associated darkies will be continously checked searched and profiled under narrower and stricter conditions. It'll be interesting to see in the future whether the public majority will demand a final solution to this crisis.

I'm sorry but I must be misunderstanding what you've written here. Is this serious or are you being facetious orca?

And I put a point on 'Final Solution'. I think history is about to be made, something that happens once a century, and I can tell my grandchildren. "Yep, I was there when they were all rounded up..."

Not if those grandchildren are taken upwards by "the Rapture". Then that 'final solution' will weed out all us undesirables.

Because seriously, what is the alternative? How many civil liberties will the majority surrender for the sins of the minority, how many of the majority will suffer for the crimes of the minority, how many people of the majority WILL DIE, because of the insane beliefs of the minority?

What minority beliefs do you find 'insane' pray tell? Sorry again you're not being clear enough for me. I'm having a blond day.

Can anyone tell me with a honest mind that they would gladly suffer and share the same evils as the minority who are trying to destroy them?

If you mean al qaeda or similar extremist groups who advocate mass murder then of course I'd not 'share the same evils'. But is that who you mean?

I think fundamental Christians believe in an 'evil' that could easily be our undoing if not nipped in the bud. So who gets to say which minority is truly 'evil' orca?
 

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On the subject of profiling, it's worth pointing out that a minority of convicted/suspected British islamic terrorists have been non-arab islamic converts. If the security services concentrated too heavily on singling out young arab men and less on everyone else, I don't think it would be too hard for terror organisations to focus on recruiting greater numbers of people who don't fit the profile, leaving us at greater risk because the wrong people were being focused on.

I agree that the blanket approach is very expensive and disruptive, but it certainly can't just be dismissed as political correctness gone nuts, it has it's merits. Some sort of profiling may well be useful but it would have to be a great deal more sophisticated than 'concentrate on young arab men'
 

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Stronzo said:
Shelby-

Though somewhat off-topic...Your perspective, though sometimes easily as unwelcome as my own, lends an air of authenticity to this place.

...or perhaps merely the low whine of the unoiled hinge, which, in time, one learns to ignore.
 

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b.c. said:
...or perhaps merely the low whine of the unoiled hinge, which, in time, one learns to ignore.


I think what he lacks in oiled hinge he gains in directness. I still find his candor refreshingly on-target from time to time. Agree with him or not he makes me think and the fellow almost never writes more than two lines. :wink:
 

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Stronzo said:
I think what he lacks in oiled hinge he gains in directness. I still find his candor refreshingly on-target from time to time. Agree with him or not he makes me think and the fellow almost never writes more than two lines. :wink:

Well, of course you're entitled to your opinion, but in this case, Stronzo, I think precisely the opposite is the case here: he's off target. Here's why:

When faceking referred to "gay New Englanders" you corrected him by saying, "That's Gay American to you, bud." And rightly so. When threatened in situations such as these, I think it safe to say we're ALL Americans first, and everything else follows.

So how is it that Shelby turns this topic about British born Muslims of Pakistani origin and the profiling of terrorist suspects into a "black/white affirmative action" thing?

WAY off base, IMO.
 

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That's not how I saw it b.c. But we all have our "sensitive spots" as my posting history will attest.

You're entitled to your opinion of course and it's not my intention to start WW III with you but I think the guy likes to pull chains and is effective in as much as he exaggerates for effect. The irony was not lost on me.

And I realize what I've said in my previous posts without you monitoring them and repeating them for me much as I appreciate your keen interest in everything I write.

And speaking of monitoring my posts; when faceking did his predictable "thing" I'd have loved it if you'd picked him up on it at the time. As you say; 'we're ALL Americans' (and rightly so). I say we present a united front. What say you? Just a little food for thought since you seem to be so aware of what I'm posting.
 

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Shelby said:
I really don't care if you hate me. It just seemed like a point that needed to be made.

Sorry not to follow protocol.

Well, not really.

I don't hate you, Shelby, or anyone here. I have a sense of the frustration you undoubtedly feel about things you think are just not right (and it may come as a surprise to you that I, as a member of the middle class, feel some of the same frustrations over some of the same things).

I sense, from some of the things you have said in the past that you probably have close contact with people of various racial and social classes (either in the workplace or where you live). I've concluded this because you sometimes say things you could only have heard from "us"... you know what I mean). So I think you're "close to the situation".

You just seem to like to go "below the belt" too often. Whether for "tragic irony" or "bitter comedy", I don't know. Regardless, you're entitled to your comments, as am I.

I think for this thread, this is an American vs. terrorist thing with an examination of related domestic and foreign policies. Not a black white issue.
 

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Stronzo said:
That's not how I saw it b.c. But we all have our "sensitive spots" as my posting history will attest.

You're entitled to your opinion of course and it's not my intention to start WW III with you but I think the guy likes to pull chains and is effective in as much as he exaggerates for effect. The irony was not lost on me.

And I realize what I've said in my previous posts without you monitoring them and repeating them for me much as I appreciate your keen interest in everything I write.

And speaking of monitoring my posts; when faceking did his predictable "thing" I'd have loved it if you'd picked him up on it at the time. As you say; 'we're ALL Americans' (and rightly so). I say we present a united front. What say you? Just a little food for thought since you seem to be so aware of what I'm posting.

The reason why is because I missed it. Unlike your posts, I tend not to read much of what faceking has to say. Consider that a compliment.