Born gay or became gay?

[Rocky14441]

....go meet some gay people......LEARN SOMETHING

Oh dear god. don't encourage him! He's probably one of these guys who thinks he doesn't know any gay people...meanwhile his brother in P-town, his sister in Tuscon, and half his cousins are either laughing their asses off at him or scared silly over showing up at family dinners.

He probably thinks the guys who designed his jeans, his cologne, his shoes, and his attitude are all striaght! It's hilarious!

 

[D_season 5]

yeah..ahh hmmmm...so u think its a nurturing thing? and u think its a choice?

its a choice for me to drink water or snapple...if I'm born with big blue eyes, that is natural...i didn't choose my eye colour...i didn't choose to love being attracted to men with muscles, hairy chests, hairy legs, and big man mounds...i just felt more 'at home' with this, a comfort level...
i also think our environment plays into the deal..i don't mean gases and etc.
i mean, how one is reared, how one is accepted in school..most gay kids in school back in the 70's...were not open..they hid their feelings the best they could.

i have lots of man to man sex with NFL players..one more then the others...and the common thing i have noticed was...all had some trauma happen to them as kids...
and it was manifested later on in life. an absent father is a common concern a boy needs a father and a mother. in the duck world, its called 'imprinting'...baby ducks quickly pick up what their parents do...if the baby ducks are brought up by a dog, the duck takes on the characteristics of the dog..imprinting..
i think you would benefit from some sort of counseling. in the black culture, is the gay guy still called 'sissy'? i have dated a few black guys...all virile and very str8 looking, but in bed..completely the other direction.
are u worried about showing ur gay side in your community? family? friends?
here is a fast clue...if ur doing all this hiding and concealing...don't..stop...just be yourself, and no one needs to know about ur sex life...its none of their biz...
and u know what I'm saying aw rite?
aw right.

if u need to talk about this, email me...we can find some thread that has brought you to this backward thinking.

 

[midlifebear]

Well, I know for certain I WASN'T born heterosexual. Enough said.

 

[D_Ormstrom Oxtongue]

It's both, plain and simple. There are few social aspects of a person that can be attributed to either completely biological or completely environmental factors (i.e. born gay vs become gay).

 

[B_lrgeggs]

What about Masculinity versus femininity? Is that nature or nuture?
I am not into guys that act like women nor do I feel comfortable with
women who act like men.

 

[Rocky14441]

What about Masculinity versus femininity? Is that nature or nuture?
I am not into guys that act like women nor do I feel comfortable with
women who act like men.

I've traveled a lot, and in many cultures our concept of masculinity is considered ridiculous. We have a rigid, distanced culture of masculinity that is learned from a very early age, that keeps us from creating authentic non-sexual bonding with other men, and defines our roles with women.

 

[Silvertip]

... He probably thinks the guys who designed his jeans, his cologne, his shoes, and his attitude are all striaght! It's hilarious!

I'm with you Rocky and the bright side of all this is that he's caused this thread to take off like wildfire. That gives us a lot of varied posters sharing some excellent viewpoints, with YoungBoy thrown in to provide the humor. Couldn't be more fun.

 

[Eaglepath]

Interesting! And, interesting to note that while women have a "G" spot for a man's cock, men also have a "G" spot that a woman does not have known as the Prostate gland. Doctors have known this forever, and a common known fact among them is that the Prostate gland loves to be stimulated. Even when this gland is swollen; a simple massage makes this gland shrink faster than any medicine.

We are both biologically male and female even in our harmones.While Testosterone is the primary sex harmone for a man and Estrogen for a women; as a man gets older his testosterone turnes into estrogen, and when a woman gets older their estrogen turns into testosterone. A common problem among muscle men whom likes to lift weights is developing breast from their Testosterone turning into Estrogen. Also a side effect of Estrogen is gaining fat (water retension) in men.

I have always since I was a baby attracted to men. I having had Polio at the age of three, and a automobile accident at the age of eighteen working as a firefighter permanently blocked my brain nerve wiring to my cock. So, I love to get fucked.

I fought so hard being "normal" and accepted as a human being and a man to no avail. Though I learned that Love has nothing to do with sex. I am very loving, and I wish for the highest and best in everyone. So wishing the highest and best, calls for integrity for others and more importantly for myself.

Being in the closet to "straight" men and women fearing what they may think of me being gay. Going to the bath houses for intimacy and back into the straight life was heartbreaking. So I learned I have to have integrity for myself as well, and I long to have sex with a man I am attracted to, respect, love and I receiving the same. Being totally honest with myself and ALL others as well.

For those whom are totally "straight", Bisexual, or "gay".... why worry about labeling or forming separation rather than just accepting the humaness and the "Oneness" we all are?
Rather than making another right or wrong because they are "different" in appearance or thinking. We all desire the same things in life, yet we are all individual expressions. Does God, or whatever your Supreme Being is, care? No! All religious thoughts in every religion in history on this matter were all human opinions. All we have are the Commandments and to Love another as you would Love yourself. So the first Commandment here is to Love oneself before one can ever love anyone else. Being honest I find holds the same. If I cannot be honest with myself, how can I be honest with anyone else?

 

[Rocky14441]

I fought so hard being "normal" and accepted as a human being and a man to no avail. Though I learned that Love has nothing to do with sex. I am very loving, and I wish for the highest and best in everyone. So wishing the highest and best, calls for integrity for others and more importantly for myself.

So the first Commandment here is to Love oneself before one can ever love anyone else. Being honest I find holds the same. If I cannot be honest with myself, how can I be honest with anyone else?

Thanks, Eaglepath. A true brother in mind and spirit. Aho! :wink:

 

[B_bflr]

Embryologically speaking, we all start out as girls. Then hormonal things happen that turn some of us into boys. I was born a man, with the capacity to be sexual, to lust, to reproduce by producing sperm, to be attractive to someone and to find others attractive. That set the stage.

I am truly able to desire sex with women or men. I hear people call that "bisexual", and others call that "bullshit." I don't care.

My CHOICE is about what urges I act out on, and which I suppress. The choice I would make if no one else cared is the one I have made already. I married woman, we have kids, and I have a special man on the side.

My mom would have died knowing about this were she not already dead. Her first husband was gay. She caught him in the act with his boyfriend. That ended things for my mom and him right there.

My bi side is not my wife's favorite thing about me, but she and our children are always #1 and whatever I do outside of marriage is with her protection in mind. Others on my mom's side of the family would also disapprove. So, they don't know.

My dad would not care, and his relatives wouldn't either. I have an out cousin, and we all love her and we accept her partner. I've not told any of them about my being bisexual. It would not benefit them to know, so why bother? I can only imagine doing that to seek approval. I don't need or want their approval, so why bother?

Basically, I do agree with Mike Uncut though. It's not just that I was born to be sexual. My dad was not really around, and my mom was dominating, and she was the more influential parent. Neither parent ever talked to me about sex. I learned from friends and from Penthouse and Playboy.

My wife is someone I love and am committed to, and that is exclusive in all ways but sexually and in that I am not forbidden to have friends and hobbies. I support her in all possible ways a husband can, making my mistakes along the way.

The man in my life is someone I spend time with not just because he has a penis that I like to play with. I love him. He loves me. The connection, conversation, and just the presence he has in my life is part of what makes me feel complete. He fills the part my wife cannot. That might be because he's somehow filling a gap my dad left, but frankly I don't care if that's the case. I don't want to sleep with my dad! I don't think about my dad with I'm with my guy. I don't really see a connection there. But again, it wouldn't matter to me. I made my choice. I want to sleep with my bud now and then, and I want to do fun things out in public with him too. But I always go home to my wife, and sleep with her too.

I doubt we'll ever solve this puzzle to where people will stop talking about it though.

 

[Rikter8]

People who are gay, were born gay.

There's many legit documentaries that detail out the genetics behind it.

Some conservatives love to use it as a so called "Fixable Flaw", when in fact it's just as natural as someone with red hair, or black hair.
Genetic diversity is what makes each and every one of us different and special.

Some just find themselves later in life due to event changes.

There's nothing wrong with it, and
It's perfectly natural
Despite what other Fucknuts say.

 

[Rikter8]

Well to be to fair to you black people were on earth first, but I wasn't talking about race.

Technically speaking, they weren't people. They were still animals to a point until evolution developed their brains. And at this point, there wasn't much difference in race until MUCH later.

So, to say that Blacks are superior because they were here first shows that you've got a problem in YOUR head.

I'd rather be Gay, than walk around in life thinking the world owes me a living because I'm "Superior"

Sorry buddy... but we're all Humans on this big blue planet. When it comes down to it....we are all the same.

 

[NineInchTool]

I think it could be either, or a combination of both...sometimes people are gay from the womb, others maybe have a genetic predisposition or become gay from the effects their environment has on their development.

However, I don't think it's quite possible to wake up one day and decide to be gay, whether you were gay from birth or realized it while growing up, it's definitely not voluntary. I have NOTHING against homosexuality, but I simply cannot get turned on by homoerotic fantasies. It's not that I can't get turned on from them because I don't want to, it's just the way I am kinda like how I can't change my eye color.

 

[NineInchTool]

Technically speaking, they weren't people. They were still animals

We are still animals today, nothings changed, we always have been animals and always will be....just because the animal that later evolved into humans today was prehistoric and without technology doesn't mean that it was more of an animal than we are

 

[OCMuscleJock]

I think it could be either, or a combination of both...sometimes people are gay from the womb, others maybe have a genetic predisposition or become gay from the effects their environment has on their development.

However, I don't think it's quite possible to wake up one day and decide to be gay, whether you were gay from birth or realized it while growing up, it's definitely not voluntary. I have NOTHING against homosexuality, but I simply cannot get turned on by homoerotic fantasies. It's not that I can't get turned on from them because I don't want to, it's just the way I am kinda like how I can't change my eye color.

OMG BUT YOU CAN!!! colored contacts!! so you too can be gay if ya wanted...

*of course I am joking about the second part*

 

[kingkhan]

This is hard to answer and I would consider myself as bi but, for me my same sex attractions seem more to something I gradually gained. I have always been attracted to women like everything about them but, when I was 19 I saw a trans porn movie and I instantly got intrested in aroused by it and I have become kind of cock obsessed idk what it is but it gets me aroused. But, when I am in public men never get me aroused. So for me my same sex attractions kind of a result of something and not really like I was always bi. But, anyway what differnce does it make at all.

 

[Steinweg9]

LOL !!

WHAT!!

Because I am black ?

Well to be to fair to you black people were on earth first, but I wasn't talking about race.

LOL! Black people were on earth first? You're a real scream buddy. Were you there? That would be to say that you all evolved into us white people. OhMyGod you are going to have to apologize to millions for that!

 

[Phil Ayesho]

There is nothing natural about being gay, has to be nurture, events can change us at any stage in life, we become things we weren't even thinking about six months ago.

ASTONISHING ignorance.
Your opinion of the matter is as immaterial as would be your believing that your computer works because of Pixies.

Science has determined that the majority of gay people are born that way.
Period.

No discussion, no alternate opinion is valid without scientific proof.



Sure... come people can Decide to become gay, if they should try it and find they like it...
But the available science would suggest the even these "gay by choice" individual follow the exact same predictive rules that those who seem to be born gay.

 

[idoevrythng]

i think being gay is just as natural as being str8 or bi...i consider myself bi so i cant say for sure whether its nature or nuture...pretty much since puberty i found myself equally attracted to both men and women so when it comes to a relationahip its really just the personality that does it for me. there wasnt anything i can think of that flipped some sort of switch that made my sexual preference for me,so i do think people are born with their sexual orientation.

 

[Box_Man]

While i think that sexuality is detirmined at birth, let me offer a different perspective.

i believe there is a difference between what you are sexually attracted to, and what you are emotionally attracted to. as such, i believe that a person can conceivably have two different orientations. this concept is used frequently in the asexual world as a "romantic attraction" to people, ie: they don't necisarrily want to have sex with them, but njoy being close to them, maybe cuddling them or just talking to them. they just want to be with that person.

take a look at myself for example. while my sexual attraction is considered asexual, my romatic attraction i consider to be straight, as i only form a romantic bond with females, not males. i beleive that this may be where Some bisexuality comes from, being attracted to one sex, but being in love with the other.

as a final note, i think that some of you guys who are telling people that because someone is straight that there opinion doesn't matter need to just back it up a little. i am not saying your opinion is not valid or that the statement may be false, but to tell someone that is like a gay guy being told he can't comment in a thread about being straight because hes not. if the fact someone is straight and they comment bothers you, just don't read the post. simple solution to a simple problem.


let the flames begin MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA:smile::firedevil::firedevil: