BOYCOTT Nike until they stop sponsoring Michael Vick!

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I hate to see anyone, whether it be Michael Vick or Don Imus or Michael Richards or whoever, get steamrolled by mock indignation and political correctness so I am going to (as usual) play devil's advocate.

These dogs were bred to fight. To deprive them of their birthright is what's really inhumane. If peta and the rest of the dogooders have their way eventually it will be illegal for hunting dogs to hunt.

Back when people had to 'keep it real' and kill their own food rather than pay someone else to kill it a dog was expected to earn its keep. Nothing was thought of putting a nonperformer down. Just the opposite in fact. A master that coddled out of sentimentality would have been considered a fool and a potential detriment to the breed.

Well, it seems times have changed. I'm not sure for the better.

Vick will pay dearly. No doubt about it. Even if the lawyers do their celebrity thing and keep him out of jail his shit is dead in the court of public opinion. So y'all can be happy!


 

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I won't buy Nike not because of Michael Vick, although that's reason enough. I won't buy Nike for many reasons including: exploiting labour in third world countries and their campaign during the Atlanta Olympics ( You don't win silver. You loose gold) Incredible insult to everyone that buys their products.
 

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Nice try Shelby but that was a truly lame attempt at playing Devil's Advocate. Though I know you can do better, I'd rather you not.


Dogs who lost fights were often electrocuted.
John Goodwin of the Humane Society said the manner in which losing or unwilling dogs were killed was especially troubling.


"Some of the grisly details in these filings shocked even me, and I'm a person who faces this stuff every day," he said. "I was surprised to see that they were killing dogs by hanging them and one dog was killed by slamming it to the ground. Those are extremely violent methods of execution -- they're unnecessary and just sick."
It begs to be said, when a youth tortures an animal to death it is seen as a key indicator that the child will grow up to be a psychopath. What does it say about the mental state of an adult who knowingly and willingly engages in such a violent, illegal activity? Female dogs who were not willing at mating time were put into what are basically doggy stockades and held in place so that they could be raped repeatedly. :mad:

I hate to see anyone, whether it be Michael Vick or Don Imus or Michael Richards or whoever, get steamrolled by mock indignation and political correctness so I am going to (as usual) play devil's advocate. This is beneath you, Shelby try again next time.


These dogs were bred to fight. To deprive them of their birthright is what's really inhumane. Bull Shit! If peta and the rest of the do gooders have their way eventually it will be illegal for hunting dogs to hunt.

Back when people had to 'keep it real' and kill their own food rather than pay someone else to kill it a dog was expected to earn its keep. Nothing was thought of putting a non-performer down. Michael Vick's meal ticket was his football career and corporate sponships. He didn't NEED to do this. Just the opposite in fact. A master that coddled out of sentimentality would have been considered a fool and a potential detriment to the breed.

Well, it seems times have changed. I'm not sure for the better.


Vick will pay dearly. No doubt about it. Even if the lawyers do their celebrity thing and keep him out of jail his shit is dead in the court of public opinion. So y'all can be happy!
It ain't over until the fat lady sings. Regerettably there probably are lawyers who can and will get him off. :mad: :frown1:




 

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There is an old saying that also holds true here, "water seeks it's own level."

I alluded to some of the issues mentioned in this article earlier in the thread. Though I think it is at best cheesy to blame rap, and hip-hop culture for Mr. Vick's behavior.

"Sign highly talented kids with questionable character, and you run the risk of getting a Rae Carruth, Ryan Leaf, Ricky Williams, or the Cincinnattica Bengals."

This statement is the crux of the problem and one I have had a big problem with for over 20 years.

I know I will get flamed but I have long had a problem with sports recruiters canvassing poor, rural, and inner city youths for professional and college teams. I know that's their job and that it's all about the money.

Let me clarify myself. I don't think these young men don't deserve a chance; but because no one ever takes the time to teach them how to behave like decent, civilized, human beings these things are bound to occur.

It may sound silly and elitist but I think all athletes (regardless of where or how they were reared) should be required to attend and pass classes in etiquette, manners, ethics; and morals; especially the young ones. Treat them all like Eliza Doolittle. :rolleyes: They need to be taught what many of us were taught at home or by our faith.
 

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I'd have to say boycotting Nike, based on an endorsement deal that was signed 5-6 years ago, is pretty lame. Boycott Nike for something that matters, like child abuse and working conditions that no one should work under. Please, Michael Vick is the LAST reason to boycott Nike.

The Jason Whitlock article is pretty good and he makes a solid point, but the problem is still the same. These guys get money and they think they can do whatever they want without reprecussion and that's got to change. Between Pac-man Jones and now Michael Vick the "thug" life need no be glorified or perpetrated to the youth of America any longer, but I fear that this is going to continue regardless of what happens to these two "role models".

I do believe that Charles Barkely said it best "I ain't nobodies role model". Although public figures these men are first athletes and for many this is all they've ever strived to be. Just because someone is in the spot light does not mean that they have to be a role model or even attempt to be one. I believe that in the court of public opinion Michael Vick is guilty and has already been crucified, now it's time for the court's to decide. As far as his athletic career is concerned it is more than likely over.
 

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I'd have to say boycotting Nike, based on an endorsement deal that was signed 5-6 years ago, is pretty lame. Boycott Nike for something that matters, like child abuse and working conditions that no one should work under. Please, Michael Vick is the LAST reason to boycott Nike.

The Jason Whitlock article is pretty good and he makes a solid point, but the problem is still the same. These guys get money and they think they can do whatever they want without reprecussion and that's got to change. Between Pac-man Jones and now Michael Vick the "thug" life need no be glorified or perpetrated to the youth of America any longer, but I fear that this is going to continue regardless of what happens to these two "role models".

I do believe that Charles Barkely said it best "I ain't nobodies role model". Although public figures these men are first athletes and for many this is all they've ever strived to be. Just because someone is in the spot light does not mean that they have to be a role model or even attempt to be one. I believe that in the court of public opinion Michael Vick is guilty and has already been crucified, now it's time for the court's to decide. As far as his athletic career is concerned it is more than likely over.

Honestly. rob_just_rob's attitude is bizarre at best, disturbing at worst:
"I'll only boycott Nike if he's found guilty in a court of law. Exploitation of third world workers and of the environment is peachy, but god forbid somebody they sponsor fight some dogs." WTF?
 

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Between Pac-man Jones and now Michael Vick the "thug" life need no be glorified or perpetrated to the youth of America any longer, but I fear that this is going to continue regardless of what happens to these two "role models".

I fear things won't change either and we have no one but ourselves to blame.

Sports and pop culture consumers have made it clear they might give lip service to athlete behavior as "role models" but until revenues actually fall from boycotts with real teeth, any backlash against thug culture in sports is all just talk.

I'm betting consumers don't have the chops to do anything except talk.
 

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It was more than Dog fighting
. They were killing the dogs. I wont even get into the sick stuff they were doing.
False. Dogfighting is impossible without the (additional) cruelty and executions. You have to be cruel to them in order to make them better fighters, and you have to execute them when they're done fighting, because they are too dangerous to ever be rehabilitated.
 

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False. Dogfighting is impossible without the (additional) cruelty and executions. You have to be cruel to them in order to make them better fighters, and you have to execute them when they're done fighting, because they are too dangerous to ever be rehabilitated.
What wonderfully asinine logic!:eek:

Dr. Dilznick, you like Shelby, Wingnut84 and a few others are missing one of the key points here, dog fighting is illegal in all 50 states and Puerto Rico!!!!

Michael Vick knowingly and willingly committed a crime.
FYI: Although he plays for the Atlanta Falcons in Georgia.
His farm and the location of his business are located in Virginia. In Virginia, dogfighting and the posession of dogs for fighting is a felony. Being a spectator at a dogfight is a misdemeanor. [S 3.1-796.124]



Dogfighting is illegal in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, and the interstate transportation of dogs for fighting purposes is prohibited by the federal Animal Welfare Act.

48 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands have made dogfighting a felony offense; 47 states, the District of Columbia, and the Virgin Islands prohibit the possession of dogs for fighting; and 48 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands prohibit being a spectator at a dogfight.
 

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Honestly. rob_just_rob's attitude is bizarre at best, disturbing at worst:
"I'll only boycott Nike if he's found guilty in a court of law. Exploitation of third world workers and of the environment is peachy, but god forbid somebody they sponsor fight some dogs." WTF?

You calling me bizarre? That's rich, considering your posting history.

But then, you probably are following your usual M.O.: "Why think when you can post something obnoxious?"

Bye, fucktard.
 

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Honestly. rob_just_rob's attitude is bizarre at best, disturbing at worst:

"I'll only boycott Nike if he's found guilty in a court of law. Exploitation of third world workers and of the environment is peachy, but god forbid somebody they sponsor fight some dogs." WTF?
Yeah, I have to question the motivations of "loyal Nike supporters" who are cheering for Vick's downfall with the fervor of an abortion clinic mob. I'm not familiar with wingnut88's posting history, but the guy has a point here. The hypocrisy is getting pretty thick.

NJcutie, I don't think it's possible for you to have missed the point any worse.
 

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I love how rob_just_rob chose not to respond to what I said and instead just resorted to ad hominems. Notice I did not do so in my initial posts.

He's probably one of those Republitards who think that third-worlders being exploited by international corporations should be grateful for their 9 cent an hour wage.
 

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Dog fighting is stupid to start with and how people get enjoyment out of that is very confusing but boycotting Nike isnt gonna solve that. They cant control his private life and this was obviously hidden. Then I read that article from Jason Whitlock and I got very annoyed. He blamed Hip Hop for this dog fighting buisness. I have never heard aythig about dogs fighting in any rap song Ive seen angry looking dogs but never fighting ones. That was a stupid thing on his part and he should be punished as a grown man would and as a grown man that article is telling me he was influenced by rap to do this.
Stuff like that annoys me people who do stuff like this or go on a rampage Grand Theft Auto style are mentally sick games ar music have nothing to do with it. I played Mortal Kombat since i was 5 as well as listen to rap according to the media I should be selling drugs, robbing people and trying to uppercut peoples heads off but im not and far from it. I live in Brooklyn and most people of any background listen to it and very few go around imitating what the music says and most know its fake. If you look after our kids this doesnt happen. If a kid is messed up it might show up later in instances like these. I like to blame people for what they do unless they were directly forced to do bad I guess im a minority in this one huh.
 

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Yeah, I have to question the motivations of "loyal Nike supporters" who are cheering for Vick's downfall with the fervor of an abortion clinic mob. I'm not familiar with wingnut88's posting history, but the guy has a point here. The hypocrisy is getting pretty thick.

NJcutie, I don't think it's possible for you to have missed the point any worse.

Where did you get the impression that I'm a "loyal Nike supporter"? Where, exactly, did I say that I have bought Nike products, or recommended their stock to clients?

The intent of my initial post was to point out the hazards of boycotting a person/organization based on allegations. Sure, Vick is probably guilty. But all the anti-Vick crusaders are going to look silly if he's found not guilty.
 

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I heard about this on the radio yesterday. One of the DJ's made a good point. He said that let's say this were some incredibly poor/homeless guy living somewhere... and all he had was his dog. He needs money, so out of desperation he trains his dog to kill and participates in dog fights to support himself. That doesn't make it right, but in some weird way you can almost understand how it seemed okay in THAT particular guys head. Michael Vick, however, is a completely different situation. He doesn't NEED the money. He's doing this for FUN and for SPORT, which is what makes it even that much sicker. The fact that he simply enjoys it.