Breaking a size issue with any potential girlfriend

[Remington]

I guess that girl in college really got to me. And all the ladies on here that won't do anything less than 6" girth really messed with my mind too.

Two things.

1) That was just one bitch that you had the misfortune of running into. She is not the norm. Most women aren't like that. Most care more about the man himself, not his dick. You shouldn't even give that girl the power to ruin you like this.

2) Yet again, the women on this site are not the norm. (this is a large penis site, after all) And even still, I believe that most care more about the man character, not his dick size. The "large" part is just a preference.

Not to sound cold or whatever, but you need to forget about that silly bitch in college, realize that most women aren't going to size you up, gain some confidence, and just get out there.

Judging by your avatar and what you said about yourself, you're fine. The only thing holding you back, is you.

 

[helgaleena]

Allow me to recommend the opposite end of the spectrum, for perspective: I am also a member at the small penis site Main Index - Measurection - Discussing Man at Length - Small Penis Forum - Powered by FusionBB

We may be a good influence here but if you want to feel big, compare yourself to others.

 

[FuzzyKen]

Dear Friend,
The first thing you have to understand is that you are not alone on this issue. Do you know that there are men who are in fact far above average in this particular set of dimensions that have had your experience? What you need to realize is that no matter what has been said to you you are well within average limits. I would be concerned if you had come on here and said that your length was say 3.5" erect. I have seen a few 3.5's and 4's on adult males in my life, and often these guys don't lead the best of lives. There is one other thing and always remember this. Quantity is great but quality is just as important.

A Rolls Royce Corniche Convertible is a nice huge car. It is comfortable, quiet, maybe not the best fuel milage but it has it's place in automotive history.

A Porsche 930 Turbo weighs 2,000 pounds less is far more responsive to the needs and input of it's driver, is smaller in both length and width than the Rolls Royce, but driven by the right driver the Porsche is a heck of a lot more fun.

An extremely large penis is a trade-off like all things in life. It will do a few things better and it will not do others as well.

When a female makes statements as were made to you sadly and very often she is the one with not only a psychological problem but a physical one as well. Like there are a small percentage of men genetically destined to have penis sizes which would make a Clydesdale happy, there are a percentage of females born with genetics that give them vaginal barrels that are extremely large and as a result they have no sensation with those who are more average. Women like this can have a surgical procedure which is done with a laser that "tightens it up" and this is now commonly done with women who have given birth to multiple children.

The problem may in fact never have been yours to begin with. My friend, a female concerned about the size of your dick is in fact usually the one with the problem. Unless something is very small, she is genetically of uncommon size, or she has been stretched out by one means or another, you will do just fine! There is nothing wrong with you in ANY manner.

As males we are conditioned over our lifetimes into a false belief system. The first thing is the difference in size between father and pre pubescent son, then there is the difference in size in school gym showers, between those in puberty and those pre-puberty. Nobody ever explains this in health education classes either. Porn we see is never explained in that for the most part those selected are somewhat above average, but enhanced by expert photographic angles making certain parts appear larger than they are. All in all it is an inferiority complex in the making.

You have nothing to worry about in ANY manner! You're fine! There is a female somewhere on this planet however that you have met who will in her lifetime NEVER meet a penis which she can sustain a relationship with, because she will always be looking for a bigger one.

 

[arkfarmbear]

I'll probably get blasted by most of the other people on the site, but, you probably won't get my advice from anyone else.
Since you are worried about performance watch porn! Even if much of what they present is unrealistic in its extremety you can still find out how things "work".
As a gay guy I've used it for that. I am by nature rather prudish and unbending. The main benefit is that if a guy mentions some "practice" I will be aware of it and how it is done. It may be something I dont' want to do, but, at least I don't feel awkward or embarrassed.
The dating world is not fun, especially if we have to do it again at these later,, and later, years in life. Just know that most of the women you date will have their own insecurities, too.
I've found, with both genders, that what everyone is really looking for is someone who will love them as who they are. We still have to do a lot of bullshit to finally admit that to a date because our culture continues to lead us to believe that we all have to be some kind of trophy. It is amazing that this is still prevalent. Every day we hear story after story of how some "trophy" person has crashed and burned and damaged a lot of people in the process. Life changes for every person, every day. These days those changes are even more dramatic and frequent.

 

[basincreek]

Good god do you really think every woman is going to measure you before you jump her....You are fine. There are a lot of guys with a lot less and women that don't even give a shit.....I realize this may be a bit callous but get at it.

I'm only concerned she'll be able to feel the difference between my girth what is supposedly normal and whether that will start a cascade of thoughts in her head over whether she can do "better." Causing her to possibly start shopping around behind my back for something more voluminous.

I feel for you brother, only because I can relate... we are about the same size and I too have heard some really harsh things from some women. .. and for a while I had the same complex as you do. It wasnt until I found a very nice, very little gymnast who could barely take what I had and my confidence went through the roof. It wasnt long after, it seemed as if more and more women started to like me - as previously stated, women want a confident man and until you realize that a relationship is more than the size of your penis, youre not ready start dating.

Sorry for the harsh words but its just the way I feel.

I really doubt I'll be running into any tiny gymnasts. I know those types of girls and they tend always have boyfriends who are 6'4"+ tall and ripped.

My best bet might be to try and find someone truly broken who thinks they won't be able to do any better. If she's more afraid of dying alone than upgrading in size I would have to worry less she'll dump me for that reason. And being dumped for a physiological issue that you can't change is probably the worst thing there is. I mean a guy who dumps a chick because he likes bigger breasts is an asshole but at least women can get that changed.

I'll probably get blasted by most of the other people on the site, but, you probably won't get my advice from anyone else.
Since you are worried about performance watch porn! Even if much of what they present is unrealistic in its extremety you can still find out how things "work".
As a gay guy I've used it for that. I am by nature rather prudish and unbending. The main benefit is that if a guy mentions some "practice" I will be aware of it and how it is done. It may be something I dont' want to do, but, at least I don't feel awkward or embarrassed.
The dating world is not fun, especially if we have to do it again at these later,, and later, years in life. Just know that most of the women you date will have their own insecurities, too.
I've found, with both genders, that what everyone is really looking for is someone who will love them as who they are. We still have to do a lot of bullshit to finally admit that to a date because our culture continues to lead us to believe that we all have to be some kind of trophy. It is amazing that this is still prevalent. Every day we hear story after story of how some "trophy" person has crashed and burned and damaged a lot of people in the process. Life changes for every person, every day. These days those changes are even more dramatic and frequent.

I've been studying amateur lesbian porn to see how they go about cunnilingus. I figure they should know the way to do it. Or am I off track on that?

 

[dirkjesje]

I'm only concerned she'll be able to feel the difference between my girth what is supposedly normal and whether that will start a cascade of thoughts in her head over whether she can do "better." Causing her to possibly start shopping around behind my back for something more voluminous.

When the difference is less than 10% in girth or lenght she can t see or feel any difference.

Our brain has it hard to compare lenghts, speed, distances - therefor we have numbers; to remember it as a reference.
If you were driving a sportcar at 100miles/h one day, and the other day another car at 110miles/h - both without a speedometer; and I would ask how fast were you driving?
You will say probably 'fast' - and take an earlier reference.
You can hardly say which one was faster - because you brain interprete other factors as well.
Environment f.e. in a narrow street speed seems to be higher, also the sound of the wind, motor, etc...
This is the same for a women comparing dicks over a certain period.
Our brains will make a total package.
Without a reference we call things slow, fast very fast - long, big, small...
When the difference becomes 10% or more - our brain will exagerate the difference and we say then much faster, much longer.
All depends of the earlier experience of the observer.

So with your dimensions - nothing to worry about.
If she prefers in time more girth - well so be it - there are toys...

 

[DeepDish]

And all the ladies on here that won't do anything less than 6" girth really messed with my mind too.

REALITY CHECK:

Per the Lifestyles/Ansel Condom Penis size study, here is the percentage of guys that have 6 inch girth and over:

5.75" to 6.00" 3.9 %
6.00" to 6.25" 0.5 %
6.25" to 6.50" 0.5 %
6.50" to 6.75" 0.1 %


Mr. Average - The true story about penis size, from a site that isn't trying to sell you anything.

So are you trying to tell me that only 5% of the maie population is capable of satisfying women?

That defies logic.

All you have to do is look around you, there obviously are men in loving relationships that are the same size as you, giving the women in their lives fantastic sex.

To be honest with you, I am pretty sure you are going to ignore this post, as you have ignored other posts that don't conform with your distorted view of yourself and women.

When we tell you the truth, your misperceptions interpret what we say as lies.

I am not saying this to be harsh.

Just that your false assumptions have such a strong hold on you that you reject any real evidence to the contrary.

That's why I suggested you talk about this with your therapist. If you don't have a therapist, get one. It is becoming obvious to me that we can't help you or get through to you. So you will need to dig in with a therapist.

You are wasting your life because of a misperception you have. That breaks my heart.

 

[B_subgirrl]

Well, that is me in my avatar.

Did you just mean regular pics of me? Where would I post them?

If that's you in your avatar you look fine :smile:. You can post pics in your gallery. As I've never done so myself, I'm not sure how it's done, but I'm sure you can figure it out. Post whatever you're comfortable with - face, body or cock. Chances are that you will get some nice comments, and you will feel better about yourself. Just be aware that most people get an occasional negative comment as well.

I'm only concerned she'll be able to feel the difference between my girth what is supposedly normal

There are a few important things to note here:

Firstly, your girth is only JUST below average. Think about what averages are composed of. An average is NOT the result of finding that most guys cocks are a certain size. It is the result of adding up a whole bunch of cock lengths/girths and then dividing it by the number of cocks. In reality VERY few people will have cocks that are literally average. Most people will have cocks that fall slightly to one side of the line. And the number of people on each side of the line will be roughly equal. So basically, what I'm trying to say is that you should consider your cock AVERAGE, not below average.

Secondly, while many women DO like girth, for others girth really isn't that important. For instance, my favourite toys only have a 4 inch girth.

Thirdly, you must remember that a preference is usually just that - a preference. It is not a REQUIREMENT. I am in fact a bit of a size queen at times. I've stated elsewhere on here that the perfect penis length for me is 9", and that less than 7" won't hit my deep spots. However, the second best sexual partner I've had was about 6 x 5 (guesstimating - it could have been smaller or a little larger). That is significantly lower than my stated preference, but yet the sex was still fantastic. He wins out over 25 other men, many of whom had bigger cocks (yes, many. I've been lucky when it comes to size).

and whether that will start a cascade of thoughts in her head over whether she can do "better." Causing her to possibly start shopping around behind my back for something more voluminous.

This could be applied to ANY attribute - looks, intelligence, bedroom skills, ability to change a tire, how well you get along with her mother. You can't live your life wondering if she's going to leave you. If she does, she probably has a whole lot of reasons, most of them not related to your cock.

My best bet might be to try and find someone truly broken who thinks they won't be able to do any better. If she's more afraid of dying alone than upgrading in size I would have to worry less she'll dump me for that reason.

BAD IDEA! Broken people should never pair up with broken people, and until you get this matter sorted you are broken.

 

[Belly_Dancer]

I'm sorry, somehow I missed most of this discussion while it was going on, but have now read the entire thread and want to offer the following comments:

It is not your penis that's the problem - it's your shattered self-confidence.

Many, many people have now said this to you, in various ways. You posted the thread; I'm assuming that's because you want answers and/or reassurance. You are getting loads of both. Open your mind and let them in!

What else is there to base your confidence on?

Excuse me? Do you really, really think that with all your positive attributes (and I am convinced you have many), you have no reason to be confident? Sorry for the harsh language but WTF???

If your perception of acceptable bases of confidence is this skewed, then you absolutely must stop focusing on your penis (and perhaps even on sex for the time being) and make the number one focus of your life rebuilding your confidence. Read books, get therapy, meditate, keep posting on line if it helps, do absolutely everything you can to de-program the cruel brainwashing that one absolute bitch inflicted on you. You are a very valuable potential partner for some lucky woman. You need to come to believe this. If I could reach through the Internet and shake you, I would.

The other issue is how women are going to freak out to learn I'm still a virgin at my age. I think most of them are going to think I'm some sort of freak and stay away. Which kind of makes it a catch 22.

When I had sex for the first time, I did not warn my partner beforehand (or after, for that matter) that I was a virgin. If you have any sense at all you will realize that you already know how to have sex. Even if you don't do it with a lot of finesse at first, you will still not "give yourself away" as a virgin. TBH I have no idea whether my first partner was a virgin or not, himself. I didn't ask; I didn't care. It is totally up to you whether or not to disclose your virginity -- you don't owe anyone any type of "warning."

So, if I do feel my 4 5/8 inch under-average girth is an issue I can possibly keep her from leaving (or cheating) by be being willing to do all sorts of extra things that maybe other guys are not willing to take the time to do? Like offer to let her "shim up" a small vibrator inside alongside me and stuff like that? Oh and paying extra special attention to what she likes out of oral stimulation?

OMG this makes me want to cry! Do you really, really think most women are that shallow?

I will say what many others have already said on this thread, just in case you missed it the first eight or more times: one woman is not representative of our entire gender! Your experience was with a total bitch, plain and simple. Give the rest of us some credit, will ya?

I'm also not exactly handsome (if anyone wants a pic to confirm PM me) but I'm still working on getting into shape.

You look plenty good to me. And I do not lie. Based on your avatar, you are in fact quite pleasing to look at.

But just how big a difference might there be felt? I mean I'm reading so much material I'm not sure just how below normal my 4 5/8 inch girth is. If "normal" is in fact 4 3/4" (or 4 7/8" according to some places on the net) how much difference is there in terms of how that would feel compared to my 4 5/8"? Is it possible that if a girl has only been with strictly "average" guys with 4 3/4" girths that she may not even notice?

I don't know of any woman on earth who has a vagina so sensitive she could tell the difference between 4 5/8" of girth and 4 3/4"!

Slant says I can mask my issue by not mentioning it, is that only possible if she hasn't had any too much bigger? I mean do I only need to start panicking and expecting her to dump me or cheat on me if she's been with guys with 5+" girth? 5 1/2+ girth? Or what?

I am surprised more posters have not taken you to task for this rotten, crummy attitude towards women! Do you really think we go around in our lives on a quest to find the biggest possible penis? Is that all there is to us? Forget wanting someone to understand our feelings and respect them. Forget wanting someone to care for us and give us lifetime companionship. Forget raising a family. Forget wanting to be with someone whose values and principles we admire. Forget being loved. Forget loving in return. Forget all the myriad things that make up a good relationship and sex life. Because if we don't get the dick (according to you) of our dreams, we will cheat (I find this presumption extremely insulting) or dump you (equally insulting)?

I have been with a man of 6" girth. I have with a man of probably 3.5" girth. I have been with many men in the range of average, some slightly smaller than average, some slightly larger than average.

My absolute favourite glass dildo has a girth of 3 1/2 inches!!!

Read that last line again if you didn't get it the first time.

If I couldn't feel my slender dildo after having had a 6" girth partner, if it didn't feel good, do you think I would keep using that dildo almost every time I masturbate? Because of its slenderness I can angle it to reach my g-spot exactly. There are many, many sensations possible in the vagina and being "stretched" is only one of the possibilities. Just because you won't "stretch" the vaginas of most women does not in any way mean you can't feel terrific!

BTW, I am aware that others in this thread have already expressed that sentiment quite eloquently, but I just couldn't resist repeating it in case this time it will somehow get through to you.

I guess that girl in college really got to me. And all the ladies on here that won't do anything less than 6" girth really messed with my mind too.

Yes. Beware, beware of equating most women to the handful of size queens who inhabit LPSG. They are an infinitesimally small subset of women, as rare IRL as the enormous cocks they seek.

I've found, with both genders, that what everyone is really looking for is someone who will love them as who they are.

Beautifully put.

I'm only concerned she'll be able to feel the difference between my girth what is supposedly normal and whether that will start a cascade of thoughts in her head over whether she can do "better." Causing her to possibly start shopping around behind my back for something more voluminous.

Again -- I am insulted!

I really doubt I'll be running into any tiny gymnasts.

Don't sweat it. There is absolutely no correlation between the size of the woman and the size of the vagina (just as there is no correlation between the size of the man and the size of the penis). The post about the gymnast was very misleading.

When you meet a woman, the size of her vagina is as much a mystery to you as the size of your dick is to her. You both will find out if and when you eventually have sex. Will you dump your woman or cheat on her if you discover she has an ever-so-slightly-larger-than-average vagina? Chances are you wouldn't even notice, let alone care. Think about this.

My best bet might be to try and find someone truly broken who thinks they won't be able to do any better. If she's more afraid of dying alone than upgrading in size I would have to worry less she'll dump me for that reason.

Now you really are going to make me cry. Do you actually think that your ever-so-slightly-smaller-than-average penis makes you "broken" or deserving of a "broken" partner?

Get it through your head that you are worth being with, not just for some beaten-down misfit, but for just about anyone!

The only negative about you that comes through your posts is NOT the size of your penis. It is your continual unwillingness or inability to see reality, despite numerous people repeatedly telling it like it is. Do you really think all these people posting on this thread would put in their valuable time and effort to write elaborate lies to you?

 

[Patchos]

basincreek, meet Wallyj84! :laugh2:

 

[basincreek]

So are you trying to tell me that only 5% of the maie population is capable of satisfying women?

Ever notice that a disproportionately few men do get loads of female partners? I'm not going to guess how many men actually satisfy women. I think that is unknowable but, just for fun, consider the following:

Hypothetical: suppose some genetic anomaly suddenly made the average male penis have 6" girth with only a few stragglers back at the old "average." Would there be more satisfied women out there or not? With so many guys with the new size available how many of the "old average" guys would now die virgins?

Here's another hypothetical: suppose this anomaly also made all 6"+ girth men sterile with only the old "average" guys being potent. How many years would pass until humans are extinct?

All you have to do is look around you, there obviously are men in loving relationships that are the same size as you, giving the women in their lives fantastic sex.

I don't know much about loving relationships. My mom left me with my dad when I was a kid and my dad's never dated since. My dad's kindly neighbor had the same thing happen to him and he died a lonely old man. My present neighbor on one side just found out that all three of what he thought were his kids were fathered by other men (he kicked the wife out but is still raising the kids). And my other neighbor is another lonely young guy who, in desperation, tried a mail order bride and....that didn't work either as she was cheating on him with one of the guys that knocked up the other neighbors wife (with the second of the three kids).

To be honest with you, I am pretty sure you are going to ignore this post, as you have ignored other posts that don't conform with your distorted view of yourself and women.

When we tell you the truth, your misperceptions interpret what we say as lies.

I'm not ignoring it and I don't think anyone here has lied.

There are a few important things to note here:

Firstly, your girth is only JUST below average. Think about what averages are composed of. An average is NOT the result of finding that most guys cocks are a certain size. It is the result of adding up a whole bunch of cock lengths/girths and then dividing it by the number of cocks. In reality VERY few people will have cocks that are literally average. Most people will have cocks that fall slightly to one side of the line. And the number of people on each side of the line will be roughly equal.

First, as you noted I am on the below average side. As you then correctly noted very few are at exactly average. That means that 50% are over that average. So there is a good chance that for any girl I get 50%+ of her past lovers were over the supposed average of 4.75" girth that I don't even meet! That means the mean difference between them and me is even greater!

So basically, what I'm trying to say is that you should consider your cock AVERAGE, not below average.

That's not in line with what you just wrote.

Secondly, while many women DO like girth, for others girth really isn't that important.

Except I'll need to run into one that pretty much cares nothing at all about girth. Because as you pointed out, if the statistics are correct, perhaps over 60% are bigger than me. And what are the chances of me running into that woman?

Thirdly, you must remember that a preference is usually just that - a preference. It is not a REQUIREMENT. I am in fact a bit of a size queen at times. I've stated elsewhere on here that the perfect penis length for me is 9", and that less than 7" won't hit my deep spots. However, the second best sexual partner I've had was about 6 x 5 (guesstimating - it could have been smaller or a little larger). That is significantly lower than my stated preference, but yet the sex was still fantastic. He wins out over 25 other men, many of whom had bigger cocks (yes, many. I've been lucky when it comes to size).


This could be applied to ANY attribute - looks, intelligence, bedroom skills, ability to change a tire, how well you get along with her mother.

All those things can be changed or improved on if a person has the will to do so.

Excuse me? Do you really, really think that with all your positive attributes (and I am convinced you have many), you have no reason to be confident? Sorry for the harsh language but WTF???

A while back a gal I liked mocked me for my volunteer work. She said only "losers" do that to compensate for being "losers." I now try to mostly hide that side of my life from any gal I'm interested in. Prior to that I had no idea my work with disabled animals and at the soup kitchen would be looked down on.

When I had sex for the first time, I did not warn my partner beforehand (or after, for that matter) that I was a virgin. If you have any sense at all you will realize that you already know how to have sex. Even if you don't do it with a lot of finesse at first, you will still not "give yourself away" as a virgin. TBH I have no idea whether my first partner was a virgin or not, himself. I didn't ask; I didn't care. It is totally up to you whether or not to disclose your virginity -- you don't owe anyone any type of "warning."

But it's a common question with women really liking guys who have had lots of past female partners (or at least the girls around here do). What do I do when they inevitably ask? Lie?

You look plenty good to me. And I do not lie. Based on your avatar, you are in fact quite pleasing to look at.

If only I met women in real life who thought that. Here's some more pics that are better quality and you might begin to see my problems in that area: pic pic pic

No the jeans hanging up are not dirty. My house has very little storage space. And the last pic is a bit old I hadn't really gotten myself into shape (I am now this close to having a genuine six pack) then and it was at the end of three days of camping. In case you're wondering about the scars around my neck...that was also from something I did in my deepest darkest depression after that run in with Fauna and subsequent research that led to my learning of my "inadequacy." Thankfully I had a roommate back then who walked in and prevented things from becoming "final."

When I was camping it was down on the coast and I took the following pics too. pic pic pic Just thought you guys might want something beautiful to look at. One of my hobbies is hiking around and taking pictures of the wild as I come across it.

I don't know of any woman on earth who has a vagina so sensitive she could tell the difference between 4 5/8" of girth and 4 3/4"!

That's good to know but as subgirrl pointed the difference, if the girth statistics are accurate, is probably greater than that.

I am surprised more posters have not taken you to task for this rotten, crummy attitude towards women! Do you really think we go around in our lives on a quest to find the biggest possible penis? Is that all there is to us? Forget wanting someone to understand our feelings and respect them. Forget wanting someone to care for us and give us lifetime companionship. Forget raising a family. Forget wanting to be with someone whose values and principles we admire. Forget being loved. Forget loving in return. Forget all the myriad things that make up a good relationship and sex life. Because if we don't get the dick (according to you) of our dreams, we will cheat (I find this presumption extremely insulting) or dump you (equally insulting)?

I don't think most women do that. But most guys may not be in my situation. Also, I have browsed this forum quite a bit and have seen that there are quite a few women on here that have dumped guys because they didn't "measure up" to what they exactly wanted.

I have been with a man of 6" girth. I have with a man of probably 3.5" girth. I have been with many men in the range of average, some slightly smaller than average, some slightly larger than average.

Was the 3.5" girth guy before or after the 6" guy?

My absolute favourite glass dildo has a girth of 3 1/2 inches!!!

Read that last line again if you didn't get it the first time.

If I couldn't feel my slender dildo after having had a 6" girth partner, if it didn't feel good, do you think I would keep using that dildo almost every time I masturbate? Because of its slenderness I can angle it to reach my g-spot exactly. There are many, many sensations possible in the vagina and being "stretched" is only one of the possibilities. Just because you won't "stretch" the vaginas of most women does not in any way mean you can't feel terrific!

But would the fact that I can't "stretch" them be overcome by those other things? At some point might not the girl in question want to know what being "stretched" feels like? And what if she has been "stretched" in the past? Won't she miss that?

Yes. Beware, beware of equating most women to the handful of size queens who inhabit LPSG. They are an infinitesimally small subset of women, as rare IRL as the enormous cocks they seek.

Yes, but I'm not really worried about being compared to such "enormous cocks" I am worried about being compared to "normal" ones.

Don't sweat it. There is absolutely no correlation between the size of the woman and the size of the vagina (just as there is no correlation between the size of the man and the size of the penis). The post about the gymnast was very misleading.

When you meet a woman, the size of her vagina is as much a mystery to you as the size of your dick is to her. You both will find out if and when you eventually have sex. Will you dump your woman or cheat on her if you discover she has an ever-so-slightly-larger-than-average vagina? Chances are you wouldn't even notice, let alone care. Think about this.

Having no experience with vaginas I would just assume whatever she has is "normal" and would then try and see if I could do something to try and help her "fill it out" better. If I couldn't figure out some way then I would have to ask her if she wants to stay and be unsatisfied or leave for greener pastures. Then, because I would think she is "normal" and would think other women would present me with same issue, what I would do next would probably be tragic and irreversible.

Now you really are going to make me cry. Do you actually think that your ever-so-slightly-smaller-than-average penis makes you "broken" or deserving of a "broken" partner?

Is a guy born without eyes "deserving" of being blind? Does the fact he isn't mean he will somehow miraculously be able to see? Did Joesph Merrick "deserve" to die a virgin because of his condition?

The only negative about you that comes through your posts is NOT the size of your penis. It is your continual unwillingness or inability to see reality, despite numerous people repeatedly telling it like it is. Do you really think all these people posting on this thread would put in their valuable time and effort to write elaborate lies to you?

I don't think anyone here is lying. If you say I probably won't have to worry about my girl cheating on me just because I'm below average in girth I'll take your word for it. But knowing that I am below average will haunt me the rest of my years in one way or another. I guess trying to figure out some way to make it haunt me in a non-debilitating way would be what I'd like to strive for.

 

[B_subgirrl]

First, as you noted I am on the below average side. As you then correctly noted very few are at exactly average. That means that 50% are over that average. So there is a good chance that for any girl I get 50%+ of her past lovers were over the supposed average of 4.75" girth that I don't even meet! That means the mean difference between them and me is even greater!

That's not in line with what you just wrote.

Of course it is. You are close enough to 'average' to be considered 'average', as are the men just over the 'average' line.

Except I'll need to run into one that pretty much cares nothing at all about girth. Because as you pointed out, if the statistics are correct, perhaps over 60% are bigger than me. And what are the chances of me running into that woman?

As has been pointed out to you MANY times, you just need to run into the AVERAGE woman, because the AVERAGE woman will be satisfied with your AVERAGE cock!

Was the 3.5" girth guy before or after the 6" guy?

I gave you an example earlier of a partner who was 'small' compared to my preferences and my other partners, but obviously that example didn't make much of an impact. Maybe it would have a little more if I also told you that I was fucking him at the same time as I was fucking someone with a 10 x 6 cock, and he STILL satisfied me?


It seems to me that you aren't actually interested in any of the opinions given. You certainly aren't taking them seriously. You seem to believe that your minimal experience completely disproves the expansive collective experience of the people replying to you. If you really want to believe that your life is fucked because you have a 'small' cock, then obviously no amount of evidence to the contrary will convince you otherwise. If you are honest about wanting to change your life, stop discounting the advice people are giving you. Seeing a therapist will also help. If you want to your life to stay the same, continue the way you are.

 

[basincreek]

basincreek, meet Wallyj84! :laugh2:

I don't get it. Is he a member?

I know you have a particular disdain (or is that an act?) for average sized guys so what should I make of this?

Of course it is. You are close enough to 'average' to be considered 'average', as are the men just over the 'average' line.

I wonder how this "average" is even derived. How do you effectively measure for girth? Does anyone know the specifics for the methodology for how these studies determined average girth?

I mean I'm 4 11/16 at the head, 4 5/8 at midshaft and 4 3/4 at the base.

As has been pointed out to you MANY times, you just need to run into the AVERAGE woman, because the AVERAGE woman will be satisfied with your AVERAGE cock!

Okay. My mind is much more at ease thanks to much of what has been said in this thread.

I gave you an example earlier of a partner who was 'small' compared to my preferences and my other partners, but obviously that example didn't make much of an impact. Maybe it would have a little more if I also told you that I was fucking him at the same time as I was fucking someone with a 10 x 6 cock, and he STILL satisfied me?

He was what? 6x5 right?

It seems to me that you aren't actually interested in any of the opinions given. You certainly aren't taking them seriously. You seem to believe that your minimal experience completely disproves the expansive collective experience of the people replying to you. If you really want to believe that your life is fucked because you have a 'small' cock, then obviously no amount of evidence to the contrary will convince you otherwise. If you are honest about wanting to change your life, stop discounting the advice people are giving you. Seeing a therapist will also help. If you want to your life to stay the same, continue the way you are.

No, actually I am feeling a bit better thanks to this thread and especially the ladies contributions. Granted my insecurites were set into overdrive way back when and they may take awhile to get fully over. Especially with the complete lack of sexual experience that I have.

 

[DeepDish]

First, as you noted I am on the below average side. As you then correctly noted very few are at exactly average. That means that 50% are over that average. So there is a good chance that for any girl I get 50%+ of her past lovers were over the supposed average of 4.75" girth that I don't even meet! That means the mean difference between them and me is even greater!

You are confusing Average with Median.

Median size is the number where about 50% of guys are below that size, and about 50% are above that size.

Median basically represensts the TYPICAL penis size thats out there.

Here are the MEDIAN numbers from the Ansel/Lifestyle Condoms penis size study:

Length: 5.65".
Girth: 4.67"

Mr. Average - The true story about penis size, from a site that isn't trying to sell you anything.

You have a normal penis.

You have a NORMAL SIZED PENIS.

You are a good looking guy, you have a sensitive personality, and you have a normal sized penis. You've got a lot going for you. You need to let this go.

 

[basincreek]

Huh, that's interesting. So I'm slightly under the median girth at midshaft by about a 1/16 of an inch. I have scars on my neck for that?

So then, do I just need to watch out for over experienced ladies then or what? Or would an experienced woman care less about my virginity than a woman with very few past partners?

 

[B_subgirrl]

I don't get it. Is he a member?

He is.

I wonder how this "average" is even derived. How do you effectively measure for girth? Does anyone know the specifics for the methodology for how these studies determined average girth?

I mean I'm 4 11/16 at the head, 4 5/8 at midshaft and 4 3/4 at the base.

Have a look at the link that deep dish is posting. I do believe that there is info on that site (or another link) that goes into this kind of detail.

He was what? 6x5 right?

Yep, although that is a guesstimate, based on other penises I'd seen. He may have been a little smaller or a little larger. Before you say it (coz I'm sure you will), I know that is slightly bigger than yours. My point in using him as an example is that he was significantly smaller than many of the men I'd been with, and he was significantly smaller than my stated preference. However, he still satisfied me more and gave me more orgasms than 25 other men I've been with. Because it isn't all about size. I once fucked him on THE SAME NIGHT as the 10 x 6 guy, and the satisfaction level was the same as on every other night. So while I prefer larger, that doesn't mean smaller can't work for me as well. Admittedly, he couldn't hit my deep spots. But he more than made up for it by knowing exactly how I liked to be fucked and doing it.

No, actually I am feeling a bit better thanks to this thread and especially the ladies contributions. Granted my insecurites were set into overdrive way back when and they may take awhile to get fully over. Especially with the complete lack of sexual experience that I have.

I really am glad to hear this :smile:. I realise that you can't change your thinking overnight, but the people posting here really do have a lot of experience when added together. We know what we're talking about (or at least I like to think we do :smile.

 

[B_subgirrl]

Huh, that's interesting. So I'm slightly under the median girth at midshaft by about a 1/16 of an inch. I have scars on my neck for that?

So then, do I just need to watch out for over experienced ladies then or what? Or would an experienced woman care less about my virginity than a woman with very few past partners?

There are plenty of experienced women who won't care about your virginity or your cock size. Having said that, there are plenty of INexperienced women who wouldn't give a fuck either. Just be open to the idea that ANY (or almost any) woman may be the right one for you and things will work out ok.

 

[helgaleena]

Six inch girth would be positively uncomfortable to me personally. And bear in mind that I have had children already!

I may support large penis but I prefer to admire them on the internet rather than experience them in the flesh. I do not think I am that unusual in this...

 

[basincreek]

Yep, although that is a guesstimate, based on other penises I'd seen. He may have been a little smaller or a little larger. Before you say it (coz I'm sure you will), I know that is slightly bigger than yours.

Well, would that slight difference have been a deal breaker for you? Provided he still had all the same technique.

My point in using him as an example is that he was significantly smaller than many of the men I'd been with, and he was significantly smaller than my stated preference. However, he still satisfied me more and gave me more orgasms than 25 other men I've been with.

I can't even imagine being with 25 different women. Wow.

Because it isn't all about size. I once fucked him on THE SAME NIGHT as the 10 x 6 guy,

Again........wow. I really couldn't imagine doing that. Two women wanting me on one night is not even something I could dream of and believe as possible.

Actually I never have dreams where I have sex, period. Even in my dreams the girls always pick another guy over me and, at best, I get to watch. It really sucks when even your dreams think the idea of you having sex is unrealistic.

 

[Belly_Dancer]

I don't know much about loving relationships. My mom left me with my dad when I was a kid and my dad's never dated since. My dad's kindly neighbor had the same thing happen to him and he died a lonely old man. My present neighbor on one side just found out that all three of what he thought were his kids were fathered by other men (he kicked the wife out but is still raising the kids). And my other neighbor is another lonely young guy who, in desperation, tried a mail order bride and....that didn't work either as she was cheating on him with one of the guys that knocked up the other neighbors wife (with the second of the three kids).

I'm sorry to hear this, and it helps to explain why your perceptions have been so skewed. Most of the examples of women you have been close to have been two-faced and/or unreliable. I know all you can do at this point is take my (and others') word for it, but believe me, the majority of women (like the majority of men, I believe) are really basically decent people with at least some innate courtesy & kindness.

Except I'll need to run into one that pretty much cares nothing at all about girth. Because as you pointed out, if the statistics are correct, perhaps over 60% are bigger than me. And what are the chances of me running into that woman?

Once again, you are completely missing the point. Your penis is not all you are, it is a part of who you are, a component in a package. Saying that you absolutely must have a woman who "cares nothing at all about girth" doesn't make sense. You need to realize that what the woman will care the most about is you.

A while back a gal I liked mocked me for my volunteer work. She said only "losers" do that to compensate for being "losers." I now try to mostly hide that side of my life from any gal I'm interested in. Prior to that I had no idea my work with disabled animals and at the soup kitchen would be looked down on.

Ugh! Where do you find these people? Please do not conceal your volunteer work from potential partners. It is part of who you are, and to the vast majority of people, it is an impressive part.

But it's a common question with women really liking guys who have had lots of past female partners (or at least the girls around here do). What do I do when they inevitably ask? Lie?

Okay...you have a point here. No, I do not suggest you lie if asked. I think that, if asked, you need to tell the truth. But in all likelihood it won't matter to her that much.

If only I met women in real life who thought that. Here's some more pics that are better quality and you might begin to see my problems in that area: pic pic pic ...

I have reviewed these pictures, and I still say you have a nice face and it is not unpleasant to look at. You also happen to have very sensual lips, IMO. Oh, and the camping pic isn't bad -- you actually look kind of hot with that stubble. :wink:

In case you're wondering about the scars around my neck...

Maybe the pics just don't show in high enough resolution on the web, but even looking closely I cannot detect any scars on your neck. I believe you that they are there, but it's possible they're not as noticeable as you think.

When I was camping it was down on the coast and I took the following pics too. pic pic pic Just thought you guys might want something beautiful to look at. One of my hobbies is hiking around and taking pictures of the wild as I come across it.

Beautiful photos! Another positive attribute you have to offer as a partner.

I don't think most women do that. But most guys may not be in my situation. Also, I have browsed this forum quite a bit and have seen that there are quite a few women on here that have dumped guys because they didn't "measure up" to what they exactly wanted.

You are on a large penis site, which attracts guys with large penises, gay guys who don't have a big penis themselves but like big penises, and women who are interested in large penises! Is this a surprise?

For some reason I completely do not understand, this site seems to also attract some straight guys with average or smaller-than-average sized penises. I'm not sure exactly what you guys are looking for here, but if it's a representation of what most average women want, you are in the wrong place!

Was the 3.5" girth guy before or after the 6" guy?

Before, but that had absolutely nothing to do with anything.

Bear with me while I tell some stories.

I chose not to pursue a relationship with one 3.5" guy mostly because he was a liar (about things totally un-dick-related) and because he said bad things about me behind my back to one of my friends.

Another noticeably smaller-than-average partner was a religious zealot and I just could not put up with his attitude.

Another noticeably smaller-than-average partner was one of the great loves of my life. I have written about him occasionally on this site before. Even though I am not a fan of small penises, he aroused a passion in me that few people ever have. He could intoxicate me with a kiss, a caress...a look.

How did that relationship end? He dumped me because I was too clingy, insecure and possessive!

And after he dumped me, even though I dated other guys, I continued to pine for him for another two years and always entertained the hope that we would someday get back together. We did end up hooking up a couple of times for casual sex, which I really enjoyed, and was disappointed that it never developed into something more.

If he hadn't dumped me, or if he had been willing to take me back, it is possible we would still be together now, or would at least have been together for a very long time.

I have reconnected with this guy on facebook now and even though we are both happily married I still feel a pang every time I see a post from him.

And this is a guy with a significantly smaller-than-average dick!

And I do ostensibly care about dick size, but not in his case because of who he is!

And before you jump to other conclusions, he is not exceptionally tall, or buffed, or even classically attractive.

He is intelligent, kind, and goddamned funny, though. I have always gone weak in the knees for guys who could make me laugh.

But would the fact that I can't "stretch" them be overcome by those other things? At some point might not the girl in question want to know what being "stretched" feels like? And what if she has been "stretched" in the past? Won't she miss that?

Yes, the fact that you can't stretch them would be overcome by those other things.

If she is curious to know what being stretched feels like, or if she is feeling nostalgic for it, that is what big dildos are for.

I know that might sound trite but it is the truth -- during my first marriage, I sometimes owned dildos that were bigger than my husband (with his full knowledge), and although I enjoyed them, I always enjoyed him more! And no, they did not make me loose or make sex with him any less pleasurable.

My first marriage ended due to incompatibility issues that had nothing to do with the size of his penis. If we had been more compatible in other ways, if he had been intrinsically sexually Dominant and not submissive, if he had been a kinder person who understood me better, and if we hadn't built up years of resentment from being cruel to each other during arguments...well, we probably would never have split!

I would have remained satisfied with his cock for the rest of my life, even though it was not as large as some I thought or fantasized about, and even though it wasn't as big as some of my dildos, and even though it did not stretch me!

Yes, but I'm not really worried about being compared to such "enormous cocks" I am worried about being compared to "normal" ones.

Stop it.

Having no experience with vaginas I would just assume whatever she has is "normal" and would then try and see if I could do something to try and help her "fill it out" better. If I couldn't figure out some way then I would have to ask her if she wants to stay and be unsatisfied or leave for greener pastures. Then, because I would think she is "normal" and would think other women would present me with same issue, what I would do next would probably be tragic and irreversible.

Oh, I see my analogy there probably did more harm than good.

I think you may be ignorant of something, and that is the fact that not all of a woman's vagina has to be "filled out" for her to enjoy sex!

What I say next may sound mean to my current husband, but it isn't anything I haven't said before and it isn't anything he doesn't already know:

I had more frequent and easier orgasms from my ex's penis than I do from my current husband's, even though my current husband is significantly larger. Also, my current husband makes me sore very quickly and it is very annoying to both of us that we cannot have sex as often as we like because we have to wait for me to recover!

Big dicks sound fascinating but often women who actually encounter them IRL find them to be impractical in one or more ways.

I wouldn't trade my husband for anyone in the world -- he is the true love of my life, The One, my soul mate and my Dominant Master...but I do catch myself not infrequently wishing he had a smaller dick!

(Sorry, AD, if anything I've said here embarrasses you but I hope you can forgive me because I am really trying to help this guy.)

I don't think anyone here is lying. If you say I probably won't have to worry about my girl cheating on me just because I'm below average in girth I'll take your word for it.

Yay! You are finally talking some sense!

But knowing that I am below average will haunt me the rest of my years in one way or another. I guess trying to figure out some way to make it haunt me in a non-debilitating way would be what I'd like to strive for.

And I wish wholeheartedly that you are successful, and may someday even come to the point where are no longer haunted at all.

(((hugs)))