Brexit

[southeastone]

Just saw an estimate of the cost to the Uk of the CURRENT plans for bankers to move to the EU, of £12bn per annum to the government and another £12bn to the general economy.

So thats twice our contributions to the EU lost in just that. The divorce bill is a drop in the ocean of the cost of Brexit.

Well my next door neighbours cousins window cleaner "estimates the cost" at £50, does that look any better?

 

[852147]

Well my next door neighbours cousins window cleaner "estimates the cost" at £50, does that look any better?

Yes can't say this without showing us sources and even then there dubious unless your secretly a top financier or hedge fund manager in disguise on here and know something we don't know?

 

[dandelion]

no, I'm not....

Its always interesting when the people with opposite views stop addressing the argument and throw insults. It mean you are winning the argument. The situation seems to be that the general public as usual is behind events, but the insiders understand that hard Brexit is effectively impossible, because it would be so disastrous for the economy.

Thats why the government is currently chasing its own tail trying to look bust getting on with brexit, but in fact stalling and deseperatly looking for a way to stop the whole thing.

The remainers, of course, want the government to admit that Brexit will be a disaster if it happens. The leavers want to push it through as quickly as possible before there is yet more bad news.

 

[dandelion]

Heres an interesting idea about Brexit.

We know the old voted leave and the young remain. We know the old are rich, have pensions and assets. The young nowadays start their careers £50,000 in debt. The old do not need jobs. They do not want the hassle of dealing with foreigners. The young do.

The people who voted for leave did so to stop involvement with foreigners. Yet the government solution to stopping our engagement with europeans is to redouble our engagement with the rest of the world. People even more foreign than the europeans.

Leave voters - conservative voters for the most part - did not vote to swap EU trade for world trade. They voted to stop it altogether. The only way the government proposes to mitigate the losses of Brexit is to increase engagement with other nations, and the people who voted for leaving the EU also voted for leaving the rest of the world. The government is proposing to give its leave supporters the opposite of what they voted for. Nightmare time at conservative HQ.

 

[554279]

If/when BREXIT actually takes place; will this thread end?

 

[chrisrobin]

Just saw an estimate of the cost to the Uk of the CURRENT plans for bankers to move to the EU, of £12bn per annum to the government and another £12bn to the general economy.

So thats twice our contributions to the EU lost in just that. The divorce bill is a drop in the ocean of the cost of Brexit.

Its as if we could ever trust bankers, thjough for you bad news, or fake news, is always good news,

 

[852147]

No one was insulting asking you to back it up with sources not just what you think or read from a dubious probably highly biased source.

 

[852147]

If/when BREXIT actually takes place; will this thread end?

Nope will be a aftermath thread till at least 2022 election in theory lol

 

[798686]

Leave voters - conservative voters for the most part - did not vote to swap EU trade for world trade. They voted to stop it altogether.

Eh?!

 

[852147]

Eh?!

LOL Conservatives the party of business voters wanted to stop all trade and throw us back to about 500BC!

 

[798686]

LOL Conservatives the party of business voters wanted to stop all trade and throw us back to about 500BC!

What a load of old bollocks.

 

[dandelion]

If/when BREXIT actually takes place; will this thread end?

hard to say. Whichever side loses seems unlikely to be happy with the result.

Leave voters - conservative voters for the most part - did not vote to swap EU trade for world trade. They voted to stop it altogether.

Eh?!

Yep. A big problem with trying to implement leave is not just that tory MPs are split about what they want, but that leave created a coalition of voters who want opposed and irreconcileable outcomes from Brexit. They simply cannot all get the sort of Brexit they thought they were voting for. Realisation may be dawning.

The government solution to lost trade with the EU and fewer EU citizens coming here to work, is more trade with outsider nations and more of them coming here to work. Whereas a big chunk of their voters simply voted for less contact with foreigners. They didnt vote to stop following EU rules only to follow world trade rules instead. Or the rules of new deal alowing chinese and Indians to come here instead of Poles.

LOL Conservatives the party of business voters wanted to stop all trade and throw us back to about 500BC!

Exactly. Thats why they will not deliver for these voters.

The row over this problem has hardly begun.

 

[Drifterwood]

If/when BREXIT actually takes place; will this thread end?

Well, my old friend, if the issue doesn't go away, the you can expect this thread to entertain you for the foreseeable.

 

[southeastone]

It seems the wall put up by the EU to punish the UK for having the audacity to leave is starting to show cracks as Spain jumps in to guarantee UK expats rights to remain in Spain regardless of the Brexit deal outcome. Economic sense as they don't want to swap our 300 thousand self sufficient Brits and the millions of our holiday makers for all the working age Spaniards in the UK who Spain cannot find jobs for.

I think the mood is changing despite the EU commissions hard line as countries start to think of the effect on themselves not the EU as a whole, The Austrian election has been brushed under the carpet by the EU as has Merkel barely hanging on in the elections and her party losing in the lower saxony elections but how can they now hide the result in Czech?

 

[dandelion]

Hard brexit, the no deal plan, somewhat akin to the Aushwitz solution for overcrowding.

"This would cause a major shock to the UK, with serious consequencs for companies, consumers, jobs and prices. The treasury estimate that after 15 years, moving to a WTO model would mean a loss of GDP of £5,200 a year for each UK household. Trade, investment and productivity would all be lower and there would be an annual loss of £45 billion in public sector receipts."

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/921069799056269312

 

[TinyPrincess]

Hard Brexit looking more and more like the option May is going for as there's still no UK plan for a soft Brexit.

It's a pity for UK - especially the younger generations. Democracy works best when the electorate is just a little informed.

 

[dandelion]

What is the only country in the world which relies just on WTO terms for its trade?

Apparently the answer is .... Mauretania!

https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actually-trades-solely-under-wto-rules-1b6127ce33c6

 

[Jason]

Hard brexit, the no deal plan, somewhat akin to the Aushwitz solution for overcrowding.

"This would cause a major shock to the UK, with serious consequencs for companies, consumers, jobs and prices. The treasury estimate that after 15 years, moving to a WTO model would mean a loss of GDP of £5,200 a year for each UK household. Trade, investment and productivity would all be lower and there would be an annual loss of £45 billion in public sector receipts."

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/921069799056269312

Comparison with Auschwitz is offensive. Over a million were murdered there.

 

[852147]

Hard Brexit looking more and more like the option May is going for as there's still no UK plan for a soft Brexit.

It's a pity for UK - especially the younger generations. Democracy works best when the electorate is just a little informed.

There is no real hard or soft brexit just leave or remain we all know soft brexit is clever way of saying stay. Saying the electorate is ill informer is basically saying there stupid is what lost them the referendum in one way and the centre left across the West a lot of elections recently! Rather then try and deal with problems and other solutions they just say stick with status qou if you don’t your thick and working class in so many words.

 

[852147]

Comparison with Auschwitz is offensive. Over a million were murdered there.

Agreed I’m sick of people throwing Nazi and such like around when they basically dislike a politician or an idea. Shows how ill informed a lot of people are so offensive to millions of people.