Buffett says Obama needs to couch healthcare as a national emergency

[Pitbull]

And when pit(h)bull turns 65, they won't be able to wrench his Medicare from his clammy, cold hands until he's dead.

There are many people who have pre existing conditions like liver, kidney and heart ailments and juvenile diabetes from early on in life, before they even get their first job, which would give them coverage, and, they are unable to get private insurance or are penalized with extremely high premiums which many can't afford.

So I guess when people are born with an ailment, such as asthma, they were supposed to buy health insurance while in the womb so they would qualify and not have a "preexisting condition".

Sometimes I wonder if any of these people think before they type?

Lose your job(and health insurance). Decide to become entrepeneurial and open a small business.
Go to buy insurance. STOP IMMEDIATELY!. Insurance companies either deny coverage due to pre-existing conditions or make it sooooooo expensive to make it unaffordable to buy.

You realize for some people this is all out IMPOSSIBLE

"Maybe if people purchased insurance before they got sick (like some of us have done) they wouldn't have a "preexisting condition".......what if you were self employed and had your insurance premiums go beyond what one could afford to pay? how is it up there in the ivory tower?

Self employed here.........As of April 1st my monthly premium goes from 703 to 803 dollars a month PLUS copays for EVERYTHING.

You all make my point that you really have no understanding about medical care, insurance and governmental involvement works.
Including Medicaid.

You point out the situation of the few and try to make like they are the majority.
Those who are born with diseases that insurance companies don't wish to touch.
That millions of healthy Americans choose not to purchase health insurance. They yell the loudest when cannot get insurance or cannot get "affordable" insurance.

A question for those I quoted and anyone else who cares to answer:

A person with no insurance is diagnosed with terminal cancer wants coverage.
Do you write a policy?
What would you charge for premiums?

And to quote VinylBoy - think before you type.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

^So we're all in agreement then... We need to get rid of the middlemen (the insurance companies)... Every dollar we spend on their existence is another dollar that would have been better used elsewhere in the healthcare system either paying doctors, or for supplies/equipment or to lower patient costs.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

And to quote VinylBoy - think before you type.

Coming from someone who is not only morally & ethically bankrupt on the subject matter, but has also demonstrated a repeated sense of belligerent ignorance towards the mass majority of patrons on this board on any political matter regardless of their "liberal" or "conservative bias, the fact that you even consider anyone else to "think" before responding to you is simply the most laughable thing you could ever suggest.

Here's a dose of reality for many folks in America:
There are many documented cases of infants born in this country with a preexisting condition (like asthma) that were turned down for coverage or treatment even if they were listed under their parent's health care. I know this first hand because it happened to one of my siblings. When you generate feeble, "Wheel of Morality" style solutions to complex issues such as, "Maybe if people purchased insurance before they got sick (like some of us have done) they wouldn't have a "preexisting condition", perhaps the person with the cranial damage isn't the one who understand just how unenlightened and socially bigoted that statement, and the person who spewed it, really are?

I know, you'll never understand how despicable your mindset is regarding health care. I'm sure it doesn't bother you that others don't have proper care and you simply don't give a damn. But right now, we need more people who don't have a heart made out of bile. In other words, if you're not going to provide any kind of helpful insight to aid towards a proper discussion, then step the fuck aside and let the grown ups talk.

 

[midlifebear]

Pit(h)bull:

I suppose you might say that I'm self employed. I run several businesses under the protection of LLCs in Nevada and I do a similar hat trick in Spain with a Sociedad Autonoma (SA) that for some reason I cannot explain is more successful than I could ever have imagined. I pay big taxes in both countries. But so my employees in Nevada could continue to have affordable health care I had to remove myself from own businesses in the USA so my employees could continue to afford the health insurance they currently have because: 1. I was over 55, 2. I was (and last I checked, still am) gay, 3. Single (at least according to insurance companies in the USA), 4. had once been diagnosed with cancer and despite being cancer-free for more than five years, well . . . 'Mericuhn insurers don't like people who have had cancer. Even if we're "clean" and cancer free. All four little "issues" made me the "biggest" risk on my companies' insurance rolls. But when I removed myself, suddenly I could afford to offer insurance to my employees. I like my employees. They like me. For after all, without me and my activity they would not have the jobs they currently enjoy.

So, I did the smart thing. I was able to attain residency in Spain about 15 years ago and have thrown myself upon the mercy of the Spanish Medical Establishment ever since. Best thing I've ever done in my life. And I'm not, as one poster insisted, "a parasite" on the Spanish medical system. I generate and pay between 38% to 44% of what the SA generates as annual income to the various levels of Spanish government (city, province, national). And I enjoy a better quality of health care (as long as I'm in Spain) than I could ever enjoy in the good ol' USA. Sorry about that. I know this blows a small hole in your understanding of how the world works, but them is the facts, ma'am, and nothing but the facts.

Now for the bad news. My employees (great people, by the way) will soon have to face the reality of purchasing their own insurance. The majority of them are women in their early 50s. This is a group insurance companies do not like to insure. Actuaries have a hell of a time with all them thar wimmin's problems that occur from 50 to 65. And two of my employees are now breast cancer survivors. So, you can imagine what that has done to the monthly cost of everyone's premium. Tain't pretty. There is another option: fire them all and hire 20-somethings. But that's illegal. Oh, and I could sell off my business interests and walk away from the whole crap shoot. But I'm sort of happy being the only openly gay -- ok, flaming queen -- on the Elko City Chamber of Commerce. And the city, county and state would certainly like me to continue my little business interests because they generate enough income to be a healthy part of a tidy tax base.

But no. There are folks like you who think you have it all figured out. Those of us who are actually in the trenches have shit for brains. We don't know anything. You, however, are among the enlightened and have all of the answers. Whoops! What as I thinking. The fact is, you're full of shit and have no idea what it's like to chase after that fabulous 'Mericuhn dream.

Like I said before, I pay a ton of taxes in two countries. But I certainly get more bang for my Euro than I do for my Buck. A national health care system needs to be put into place ASAP and fixed after the fact. Currently, something -- anything -- is going to better than nothing. And while were at it it would be nice to see the US health insurance companies take it in the knees. :smile:

 

[B_VinylBoy]

To fan the flames a bit...
Here's the story about a 4 month old that was denied coverage due to a preexisting condition. They said the baby suffered from of all things... obesity.

And a story about a 2 year old who was denied because the insurance company decided that her height & weight were not up to their standards.

Of course, according to Pitifulbull, they should have "bought healthcare before they got sick". Pathetic.

 

[houtx48]

well pitbullshit says they deserve it. the four month old probably could not find his checkbook when it came time to make the payment and the two month old was at dairy queen getting a milkshake instead of buying insurance.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

Thank God we have some rightwing sociopaths around to snap the rest of us back to our senses... This is all about costs, not coverage. Who cares how many millions go without coverage and die before their time? We should be doing everything we can to encourage the insurance companies to keep killing off the sick (by dropping their coverage), until eventually, the only Americans that are left alive will be so naturally strong and healthy, that the insurance companies won't ever have to pay a dime for care, and Americans will be healthy anyways!

 

[deleted15807]

Thank God we have some rightwing sociopaths around to snap the rest of us back to our senses... This is all about costs, not coverage. Who cares how many millions go without coverage and die before their time?

You forget Mr Reagan whom conservatives jerk off to every day ushered in the ME ME ME era. And they are still locked in it. If ME ME ME isn't benefiting from it or at least under the illusion, WHY WHY WHY should I care? America wasn't built on attitudes like that but it sure will be destroyed with attitudes like that.

You won't see anymore Rosie The Riveter images like during World War II. That is sooo over. 'We Can Do It'? Ohhh please.

Now excuse me I'm on my way to church. Are you saved?

 

[Pitbull]

^So we're all in agreement then... We need to get rid of the middlemen (the insurance companies)... Every dollar we spend on their existence is another dollar that would have been better used elsewhere in the healthcare system either paying doctors, or for supplies/equipment or to lower patient costs.

I guess you do not realize that the government spends more in administration of its health care programs than the insurance companies do.

Which of course could be spent on doctors or medicine.

 

[Pitbull]

Looks like everyone (as usual) avoided the question I posed.

Typical liberal bullshit.
Whine and cry.
When someone disagrees with you they are stupid and heartless.
Then you demand that the government gives everyone everything they need.
This is why there is a problem with health care.
Whining, calling people stupid while holding themselves up as geniuses.
With no understanding of what they are talking about and no expertise.
And no desire to see things in anyway except with a preconceived narrow mindset while claiming to be open minded.

I am not the least bit surprised.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Looks like everyone (as usual) avoided the question I posed.

Typical liberal bullshit.
Whine and cry.
When someone disagrees with you they are stupid and heartless.
Then you demand that the government gives everyone everything they need.
This is why there is a problem with health care.
Whining, calling people stupid while holding themselves up as geniuses.
With no understanding of what they are talking about and no expertise.
And no desire to see things in anyway except with a preconceived narrow mindset while claiming to be open minded.

I am not the least bit surprised.

You have no reasonable question worth answering, Pitbullshit.
Just a socially ignorant gripe that has been on infinite loop by closed minded people like you for more than a year now.

 

[Industrialsize]

I guess you do not realize that the government spends more in administration of its health care programs than the insurance companies do.

Which of course could be spent on doctors or medicine.

That's simply not true.

 

[houtx48]

"Never hold your farts in.
They travel up your spine,
into your brain....
and that's
where you get shitty ideas from!"
Go ahead and pass some gas, you are a victim of your own "cleverness" .
​

 

[Pitbull]

You have no reasonable question worth answering, Pitbull

Translation:

"You win Pitbull.
I have no good answer"
VinylBoy
​

 

[midlifebear]

Poor Pit(h)bull: He's delusional. What is in the public water systems in the USA that folks like Pit(h)bull are drinking that makes them think their lives are perfect so by default everyone's life is also perfect and there is no need to change anything?

The guy (I assume he's male) is clueless. He probably thinks that it's cool to train real pit bulls to be dangerous animals. He doesn't contribute to his society. He just takes. He's more interested in himself and what he can get than help others.

Why should anyone want to encourage a wing nut like Pit(h)bull to be their friend? Sorry, Pit(h)bull . . . no soup for you. Now, please walk to the top of the stairs.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Translation:

"I am a troll Vinylboy.
I have no friends"
​

Besides the obvious typos in your last statement, here's more to add:

You have already assumed the fiscally greedy stance that people who can’t afford insurance should not have it. That can be surmised by the childish comments you have already made on this thread. Therefore, asking a question about what kind of policy should be created for someone who has a preexisting condition and its cost is completely disingenuous. That’s because we all know you don’t give a damn either way as long as a single penny of your tax dollars isn’t going towards it. That means it would be an utterly waste of time to crunch numbers with you on this regard.

Poor, poor Pitifulbull. Nobody wants to wants to lower his or herself to your slow pace and play a senseless, rhetorical game of “Let’s Make A Deal” with you. Everyone knows the answer you’re pushing for without even saying it because they pay attention to the things you've said, past & present, and can read the hidden context within. Instead, our beloved forum troll finds fault with more than 6 people on one thread at the same time, from completely different walks of life, and delude yourself into thinking they don't have "the answer" simply because they don't adhere to your own pathetic wishes. Seriously, I couldn't laugh at you even harder. How desperate do you need to win something in your life that you'd be this adamant to argue?

Next time you want to suggest to me to think before I type or even declare that you've somehow won an argument over a question that has no real answer (despite the ignorant thoughts you already harbor), maybe you should listen to your own advice? Because the statements you make say a LOT more than just what can be read on screen. Like I said before, let the grown ups speak here. You have nothing of any value to add to a health care debate.

 

[Pitbull]

Besides the obvious typos in your last statement, here's more to add:

You have already assumed the fiscally greedy stance that people who can’t afford insurance should not have it. That can be surmised by the childish comments you have already made on this thread. Therefore, asking a question about what kind of policy should be created for someone who has a preexisting condition and its cost is completely disingenuous. That’s because we all know you don’t give a damn either way as long as a single penny of your tax dollars isn’t going towards it. That means it would be an utterly waste of time to crunch numbers with you on this regard.

Poor, poor Pitifulbull. Nobody wants to wants to lower his or herself to your slow pace and play a senseless, rhetorical game of “Let’s Make A Deal” with you. Everyone knows the answer you’re pushing for without even saying it because they pay attention to the things you've said, past & present, and can read the hidden context within. Instead, our beloved forum troll finds fault with more than 6 people on one thread at the same time, from completely different walks of life, and delude yourself into thinking they don't have "the answer" simply because they don't adhere to your own pathetic wishes. Seriously, I couldn't laugh at you even harder. How desperate do you need to win something in your life that you'd be this adamant to argue?

Next time you want to suggest to me to think before I type or even declare that you've somehow won an argument over a question that has no real answer (despite the ignorant thoughts you already harbor), maybe you should listen to your own advice? Because the statements you make say a LOT more than just what can be read on screen. Like I said before, let the grown ups speak here. You have nothing of any value to add to a health care debate.

Translation:

"You win Pitbull.
I have no good answer"
VinylBoy
​

You use a lot of words but still say the same thing.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

You use a lot of words but still say the same thing.

That's because you don't know how to read or think outside of yourself.
Are you through or do I have to continue slapping you around? You should know by now that I take sadistic pride in intellectually beating around philosophical lightweights like you.

 

[Pitbull]

You should know by now that I take sadistic pride in intellectually beating around philosophical lightweights like you.

You may live with your delusions.
I hope you enjoy them.
Fantasy does serve a purpose when reality does not meet your needs.

 

[tripod]

Are there no prisons?

Are there no workhouses?

Maybe we should just have all of the poor and indigent people double ground and fed to the rich?