This is sort of an appearance issue, sort of a celebrity issue, but probably just needs to go here in "Et Cetera, Et Cetera." I was looking at another thread where some body builder has found a career in the latest fight fad, and I was wondering if there was any other way to capitalize on being built besides the following: Cover Model for Romance Novels Fitness Attire and Equipment Model Fight/Wrestle/Box Warrior in Battle Movies Trainer As a vegetarian, pacifist athlete, I've too long admired the super built guys who've used steroids and spent all their spare time in the gym. It's like I see the traps nudging their earlobes and know they've most likely not gotten that built without steroids, but I still wish I had more of that either in those guys who attend to my horniness or adding to the horniness I inspire in others. Most of the time I recognize the look as TOO pumped up to be generally attractive and TOO agressive for comfort. Still, I also know that I am not the only one who gets turned on sometimes by that look or aspects of it. So, here's the question: is there some way to showcase superbuilt guys in movies or ads or life that is not centered on them just being muscleheads or brutal fighters? Additionally, what is the limit for those of us who wish to be muscular without steroids? So often, even when a guy has not seemed to have gotten freakishly huge, it turns out he's used steroids to get to the attractive point where he is. I'd like to see more examples of guys "lookin' good" without overdoing it and without artificial substances contributing.