Burqa ban?

[freyasworld]

I'd like to see one on the back of a harley, does the skid-lid go under or over the head dress?

 

[joyboytoy79]

I really dislike the headscarf and the burqa and what they represent politically. But who am I to tell someone else what to wear or how to express their opinions or beliefs or culture? It's none of my business what somebody else wears. They probably don't like my speedo either.

Turkey has been trying to ban or control what people put on their heads for years and guess what? It hasn't worked out so well. That which you ban, only radicalizes the people you seek to control.

Thank you vince! I couldn't have said it better. (I've been trying to, but, you know... I mumble)

 

[D_Helmer Heighballs]

If the burqa symbolizes the separation, control and subjugation of women to men, then I say ban it.

it doesent.

quite the opposite in fact. its narrow minded to think that a nations of tribes all with different viewpoints, upbringings and social systems, all around the world, have a narrow definition of what women should ware or how they should wear it. let them do as thier culture, religion... whatever they wana wear let em, all power to em.


if you have a problem with what other people have, firmly grasp the rod jammed up ur arse.

peace out.

 

[TomCat84]

For ID purposes, IE in situations where a license or passport would have to be shown, the woman should remove the burqa. But I think we get into REAL dangerous territory when an entire country bans certain articles of clothing.

 

[BigDallasDick8x6]

I'm inclined to say that we should look to a ban. But the ban should be for any garment that covers the whole face, eg including a balaclava.

As long as they don't ban baklava, I'm kewl.

 

[mitchymo]

If ISLAM or any other CULTS and FAITHS believe that OTHERS are

LESS EQUAL than their own because of their gender, sex orientation, creeds or sects

those religions and faiths SHOULD BE BANNED immediately...........

Humanity can't and shouldn't accomodate intolerance, ignorance, persecution, discrimination and apartheid policies and laws in the name of Allah, Jesus, Jehovah, Shiva or whatever.

This thread is not about the banning of religion.

Why would you be happy to see it banned? Are you mad that some people dress differently from you?

Not mad, of course not. What i am is though is troubled.

Islamic extremists support the 'taking over from the inside' philosophy to conquer non-islamic nations. The whole burqa thing is a great way of implementing an action to such end because it seperates not just religious culture but interferes with social cohesian.
Muslims have a hard enough time integrating in western society for a host of reasons and to choose to wear a burqa comes across as though no effort is being made on their part to help themselves.

If an western woman travels to an Islamic country then she is expected to cover up, this is respectful of the social norm and so there should be no difference when applying social norms in western culture.

Banning the burqa would be (imo) an act which protects secularism by avoiding an unnecessary division of social norms which everybody regardless of faith CAN comply with.

Seeing a face of someone you are trying to communicate with is not much to ask for is it? And how are burqa wearers supposed to be understood by the deaf if their mouths are covered?

Respect flows both ways and we should'nt be in a situation where such action is regarded as being an act against freedom of expression or human rights when it is being suggested on the grounds that it does not fit in to western culture. We are secular for the most part but we are still founded on christian values and so i think it is important that any other culture adapts wherever possible to live by the common values. Burqa's are not a requirement so to insist on wearing them is actually inconsiderate of our values and so it winds me up when others argue that we are disrepecting theirs.

 

[freyasworld]

I think it goes a bit deeper than this and there is no right or wrong answer, last year a girl was evicted from an aircraft as her dress was inappropriate, basically showing too much arse and tits. My kids are stopped and asked to remove their hoodies in shops and malls, now my children are not their to rob the place, the same way a woman wearing a burqa does not have semtex strapped to her body. Motor cyclists are asked to remove their helmets in banks etc.

The law is clear on a lot of things and if a persons dress is in conflict of the law, then it should be removed or the person asked to dress appropriately.

as an example motor cyclists and pillion riders, by law must wear a skid-lid (in the UK)- does the burqa prevent this? Driving a car, it is against the law to have obstructed vision, does looking through a veil or burqa obstruct the persons vision?
-I don't know never worn one!

Then there's the security aspect, banks government buildings, airports etc all have cctv, well the burqa defeats this. The same way a teenager with a baseball cap, or a hoodie defeats them. But if a child is forced to remove his hood or baseball cap, then why shouldn't a person wearing a burqa, these are just questions not comments!

I think a dress code should be appropriate to the situation and venue.

Surely a woman would not get on a flight to New York or Tel Aviv wearing a burqa, imagine that standing in a queue at the airport and infront of you on the same flight is a group of people chanting passages from the koran, all dressed in black!

Same as I would not wear a basque and stokings and little else to a school open night!

But I would not like to be told I can't wear what the hell I want to wear if it is appropriate to the situation.

 

[BigDallasDick8x6]

If the burqa symbolizes the separation, control and subjugation of women to men, then I say ban it.

Rick Steves was on our local NPR station's beg-athon last night. He said in his experience Islamic women think Western women are controlled and subjugated to men by wearing Hooter's uniforms, Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders uniforms, dressing in miniskirts for car commercials (and every other guy-oriented commercial).

It's a good point. (As the Feminists pointed out 41 years ago.)

 

[thadjock]

Not mad, of course not. What i am is though is troubled.

this seems like a good point to mention that i run a safe house for troubled, hung, uncut, brit lads.

 

[mitchymo]

this seems like a good point to mention that i run a safe house for troubled, hung, uncut, brit lads.

awww, i only meet 3 of these requirements! :frown1:

 

[thadjock]

awww, i only meet 3 of these requirements! :frown1:

i can bend the rules

 

[mitchymo]

i can bend the rules

lovely! that's what i like to hear.

 

[BigDallasDick8x6]

If ISLAM or any other CULTS and FAITHS believe that OTHERS are

LESS EQUAL than their own because of their gender, sex orientation, creeds or sects

those religions and faiths SHOULD BE BANNED immediately...........

Humanity can't and shouldn't accomodate intolerance, ignorance, persecution, discrimination and apartheid policies and laws in the name of Allah, Jesus, Jehovah, Shiva or whatever.

1) You sound as ideological and shrill as the people whose faiths you want to outlaw.

2) If a person is secular/atheist then is it OK to be intolerant, ignorant, persecuting, discriminating, and segregationist just because you're a nasty person and not doing it in someone else's name?

Wrong is wrong, regardless of whether it is done in the name of religion or not. Discrimination should be outlawed. Good luck outlawing ignorance. How do you propse to do that, exactly??

Also, I don't think you addressed the question, which was about outlawing burqas, not the laundry list above.

 

[thadjock]

lovely! that's what i like to hear.

yes, i'll bend the rules while im bending u over

 

[B_ccc888]

1) You sound as ideological and shrill as the people whose faiths you want to outlaw.

2) If a person is secular/atheist then is it OK to be intolerant, ignorant, persecuting, discriminating, and segregationist just because you're a nasty person and not doing it in someone else's name?

Wrong is wrong, regardless of whether it is done in the name of religion or not. Discrimination should be outlawed. Good luck outlawing ignorance. How do you propse to do that, exactly??

Also, I don't think you addressed the question, which was about outlawing burqas, not the laundry list above.

RELIGIONS and FAIRY TALES should HAVE NO PLACE in the 21st. century.

If ones can't prove them scientifically, historically and empirically, they should be outlawed for the betterment of humanity.

No hoax and mass brainwashing again for all..............

No more senseless wars, violence and deaths just defend whose stupid cults are better than others.

 

[B_ccc888]

MUSLIMS who reject BURQAS ban should be shown the door back to the SHARIA HELLHOLES they came from..........

Don't live in any Secular Nations...........

 

[Jason]

If there are women who genuinely chose to wear burqas out of their free will they need our help as does an anorexic who choses to starve themselves. The decision indicates a destructive psychological problem. In the majority of cases burqa wearing appears to be enforced by husbands, and in our system is a form of abuse of women by men. It is not a religious requirement. It is a feature of some cultures though not even truly a cultural requirement, rather a cultural tolerance of a veil fetish by some men (I gather it is similar to a bondage fetish - it works because of the control it gives the man over the woman).

If in the UK we were blunt enough to discuss this matter as the fetish it is we would presumably move quickly towards a solution. If nothing else it would shame the husbands that enforce it.

 

[Jason]

If ones can't prove them scientifically, historically and empirically, they should be outlawed for the betterment of humanity.

It is going off topic for this thread, but there is a relevant quote in Dan Brown's "The Lost Symbol":

"What happens when those beliefs that we accept on faith ... are suddenly categorically proven as fact?" (chapter 22)

Dan Brown speculates that it may be possible to prove that the soul exists, that the soul lives after death, that prayers are heard - and lots more. We may be on the verge of proving scientifically and empirically that the beliefs of religious faith are true.

 

[D_Fiona_Farvel]

If there are women who genuinely chose to wear burqas out of their free will they need our help as does an anorexic who choses to starve themselves. The decision indicates a destructive psychological problem. In the majority of cases burqa wearing appears to be enforced by husbands, and in our system is a form of abuse of women by men.

Incorrect.
Burqas, as iconic as they remain, are the veil of choice for a tiny portion of hijab wearing women. Why certain women choose to veil varies, but none point to 'a destructive psychological problem' that requires 'help' or rescue from the outside.

 

[Jason]

Incorrect.

I don't agree.