I guess, citing Truman, there could be something to that, but it is truly hard for me to see how a President that works long-term against the will of the people (because he is in his second term and he can) would ever come to be heralded by historians as a success. I will think on it, however, out of respect for you. When an argument is unconvincing in your mind, it usually has a big hole in it.
Oh, but ff, I absolutely agree. But my post, if I can dig myself out from under my senescence for a moment, strictly referred to your reference to Bush's basement-level poll support. That's all I was referencing.
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Not that there is anything wrong with big holes... )
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(Though the best fun comes when they don't
begin that way.)
Trust me, SR, DADT doesn't come anywhere near DOMA in legislated discrimination. And from what I understand, he didn't so much as threaten a veto, let alone sign one. The "Defense of Marriage Act", which he signed into law, basically gave states the right to ignore the Full Faith and Credit clause of the US Constitution as far as it may relate to gay rights.
I will take your word that he wussed out.
My original post addressed someone's assertion that Clinton was more anti-gay than Bush, which I decided to interpret in personal terms. And I don't believe that Clinton, in personal terms, is anti-gay at all, but I would be surprised if Bush isn't. (I don't really know though ... just extrapolating from everything one hears about his religious beliefs.)
The poster seemed to suggest that DADT was proof of Clinton's anti-gay stance; and I disagreed.
DOMA is a new element in the equation, which I don't know much about.
Clinton didn't even threaten a veto.
Would such a threat from him have carried weight?
Or was the vote in favor already great enough to overcome a veto, if a second vote, following his veto, had been required?
I will trust you, DC.
Because you are smart and love the truth.
And because you are an informed American.
But tell this Canadian a bit more.
200 words.
When you can.