Bush taking credit?!?!?!?!

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  1. arkfarmbear

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    I was forced to listen to Rush for part of the afternoon. His crowd was trying to spin Obama's death as something Dubya could claim credit for! Bush can take credit for getting us into the mess in the first place, allowing him to escape when we could've taken him out at Tora Bora and for claiming "Mission Accomplished" and inviting our enemies to "bring it on" Texas style.
     
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    I think it's Osama that's dead, not Obama.
     
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    In the memorable words of Anne Richards, "All hat and no cattle."

    To which I'll add, "All bulge and no balls".



    Good point.
     
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    I keep reading where some Republicans are trying to make this a victory for Bush as well as Obama, or to only give the respect to the SEALS that did the heavy lifting and that Obama had nothing to do with it so screw him:squint:


    That's why I've been doing my damnedest to call him Bin Laden, much harder to screw up that way:redface:
     
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    The intelligence lead concerning the courier that led to Bin Laden originated under Bush's presidency, and more specifically, from the waterboarding of KSM 4 years ago. If you turn the channel off MSNBC for a second, you might learn something.
     
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    However, even though I loathe Barack Obama with every fiber of my being, I think he did a great job on this. Though he railed against Bush's CIA during the campaign, once in Office, he saw the wisdom in the elements Bush put in place and continued them.

    Yesterday was a fine day for Obama, the best day by far of his presidency. He deserves alot of credit. His call not to Bomb the compound but to send in seals was a huge risk and im clad to see he has balls. But yesterday would never have happened without the the previous administrations efforts as well.
     
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    You don't even have to watch MSNBC or look up anything on the internet to figure out that this was a line of absolute bullshit. It's already been established that torture didn't give our Military any new information that could have remotely been useable towards the most recent events. I understand your political bigotry and your constant hatred towards liberals prevent you from seeing this. Either way, just come to grips that the killing of Osama Bin Laden didn't happen under the rule of a president you liked and shut up. :rolleyes:
     
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    Ok. You are gonna eat your words.
     
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    Don't be like a politician and make promises you can't keep. :rolleyes:
     
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    Exactly what should we turn ON to see this wonderful piece of information? I'm from Missouri ('The Show Me State'). So show me.
     
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    I agree with you completely. 911 happened under the Bush presidency. Bush failed in his duty to protect America. If he and Connie Rice had looked up from their coloring books for just a second and paid attention to the Clinton security memos 911 would have never happend and as a result neither would have yesterday.

    Democrats were serious about security before 911. Repubs had an agenda and ignored ALL of the Clinton intelligence. Then lied to start a war with Iraq.
    Bin laden was a Saudi royal family member Bush was all cozy with the Saudi royal Family they were invited to his ranch in Texas for
    bar-b -ques...hell, there are even pics of him hugging Saudi family members. This is Obama's victory All Obama. Bush was simply too inept to pull this off.
     
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    It has been reported that Osama Bin Laden's assassination was made possible after a vague lead that was received by US intelligence in August. If the previous administration's efforts are to be counted here, then someone will have to connect the dots and illustrate how. No random report or blog post from a some so-called "credible news source" will do here. A distinctive path of historical facts from the Bush Administration, to the lead received in August, ultimately to Obama giving the word to go ahead with action is the only acceptable news here. Everything else is a deflection from the subject matter.

    Anyone of the Bush supporters care to do this for us? You know, since anyone who watches MSNBC don't know a thing and we need to be taught something. Please, make the connections... and make it good!
     
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    Did you not notice my comment that I had been forced to listen to Rush? It was similar to being in a car with a smoker who "cracks" his window so as to not make the rest of us breathe smoke. Listening to Rush probably causes brain cancer.
     
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    Will the New York Times do?

    Timeline of the Intelligence Work Leading to Osama Bin Laden's Death - NYTimes.com

    Or how about the Former CIA director Michael Hayden?

    http://johnkingusa.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/02/intelligence-that-led-to-bin-laden-death/

    Anything else?
     
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    Oh really? Its been 28 hours since the "most recent events" and this has already been "established? Established by who? Where? Please share your sources on this.
     
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    Why do you make this so easy?
    Copied/pasted from your own source: Four Years Ago: American intelligence for the first time uncovers the name of Bin Laden’s trusted courier but cannot locate him.

    Going by the timeline, that is the only portion that can be linked to the previous administration. And it was already speculated on back then that he could be residing in Pakistan, just like many of the other high profile terrorist suspects since the wars started. This four year old "intelligence" (received in 2007) is the equivalent of saying that a tree grows in Brooklyn. It did nothing to locate Bin Laden, which by that time Bush had already stated that he wasn't concerned about Bin Laden and the war in Iraq was in full swing.

    All one has to do is put together the dots. Pay attention:
    First, it was established long ago by many different people that torture doesn't work, utilizing links you can find on Google that date back as far as 2005. Here are a few of them right now:

    Army Col. Stuart Herrington, a military intelligence specialist who conducted interrogations in Vietnam, Panama and Iraq during Desert Storm, and who was sent by the Pentagon in 2003 -- long before Abu Ghraib -- to assess interrogations in Iraq. Aside from its immorality and its illegality, says Herrington, torture is simply "not a good way to get information." In his experience, nine out of 10 people can be persuaded to talk with no "stress methods" at all, let alone cruel and unusual ones. Asked whether that would be true of religiously motivated fanatics, he says that the "batting average" might be lower: "perhaps six out of ten." And if you beat up the remaining four? "They'll just tell you anything to get you to stop." - link

    Here's Matthew Alexander, which happens to be the pseudonym for a 14 year veteran of the U.S. Air Force. As theleader of an elite interrogations team in Iraq, he conducted more than 300 interrogations and supervised more than 1,000. He served in three wars and was awarded the Bronze Star Medal in 2006. - "My extensive experience demonstrates that we can effectively interrogate without using torture and abuse. We do not have to choose between terror and torture. We are Americans and we are smarter and better than that." - link

    Former FBI Interrogator Jack Cloonan explains that regular interrogation tactics work well on even the worst terrorists, that there's no such thing as a "ticking timebomb" scenario, and that waterboarding has done much more harm than good. - link

    Plus, here's a blog that has gathered MANY MORE quotes and links that support the belief that torture doesn't work - Top Interrogation Experts Agree: Torture Doesn't Work → Washington's Blog


    Secondly, since Obama has taken office, beyond a few unproven claims from the fringe the current administration has not endorsed or called for the use of "enhanced interrogation techniques" on prisoners. He stated this back in 2009 when his term began that he would not do such a thing and it still rings true today. Obama: US does not torture | Video | Reuters.com


    Thirdly, as I stated before (and is also verified in the very link you provided as a counterargument), early intelligence-gathering efforts which lead to the killing of Osama Bin Laden came to fruition in August where a vague tip led to a possible lead to his location.

    Here is the article where I sourced that - link

    And here is the portion of the timeline from your very own link that verifies this:
    August 2010: American intelligence locates the brothers’ residence, a compound about 35 miles north of Islamabad in the city of Abbottabad. The compound is so large, secluded and secured that analysts conclude it must shelter a higher-value target than a courier.


    Sometimes you don't just need one link to create an argument. You can use various sources and put together a stance that has much more relevance. And in some cases, I can even borrow my opponent's links to use to my own advantage. Got anything better to bring to the table, or are you going to do your usual thing of dismissing without reading, deflecting due to your political bigotries, and ranting about "dem dayum libtards"?

    What about him? He was no longer the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency as of February 2009 so logically he wouldn't have known about any intelligence the administration received from the CIA in August 2010. So beyond a video clip on CNN and an opinion that you're now trying to twist to be Gospel all because it's on a news site that leans to the left, his words have very little to no relevance as to whether or not Obama operated on intelligence gathered by the Bush Administration.

    Next! :rolleyes:
     
  19. B_24065

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    Uncovering the name of the courier 4 years ago that led American Intelligence to Bin laden "did nothing to locate bin laden"? Are you serious?

    You asked for someone to provide evidence that the intelligence strand leading to Bin Laden's death originated during the Bush administration. I obviously provided you with information that you were not aware of yet. And that's fine Vinyl. Hell, we are only 30 hours into this whole thing. But instead of flopping and rolling like a fish out of water to deflect the fact that I corrected you, just for once say "oh, ok, i wasnt aware of those facts yet."

    This just shows that being "right" is more important to you than the truth. Sad.

    As for your diatribe on the enhanced interrogation methods and intelligence, You wasted your time there. Its gonna come out soon that the name of the courier was given by KSM and other detainees during waterboarding 4 years ago (under the Bush administration).
     
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    I think everyone involved, especially the press, would be better served not making this a Bush thing or an Obama thing - its an American thing, with obvious International implications. Does anyone really think Obama or Bush masterminded this? lmfao.
     
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