California: Prostitution Illegal, filming adult movies, legal. Ironic? Hypocritica

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  1. joeice345

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    Isn't being an adult pornstar the same as being a prostitute. The only real difference is the camera. So why is it legal to make adult movies in someplace like california, yet illegal to pay someone for sex without a camera? Isn't that both ironic and hypocritical?

    Is it legal to shoot XXX films in every state? Your thoughts?
     
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    I'm pretty sure it is illegal in Utah. But people can do anything they want with a video camera. Post them for free in a dozen places, including this forum.

    You want to pay someone for sex or shoot an adult video, or both?
     
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    It's not so much hypocrisy, and it certainly isn't irony, as much as it is just plain stupidity and prejudice.
     
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    They're not the same thing. Nobody ever caught a disease from a movie.

    Modern prostitution prohibition laws had entirely logical beginnings, starting (at least in Europe) in the sixteenth century. The Age of Explorations ushered in a vast increase in commerce and trade, the rise of modern financial institutions, and new disease vectors. They didn't know exactly what caused diseases in those days, but they had some pretty shrewd ideas about how they were spread. Controlling sailors would have had serious economic repercussions, so they controlled prostitutes instead ... with limited success.
     
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    I don't think laws from the sixteenth century count as modern. *Actual* modern prostitution laws are puritanical horseshit nonsense that have nothing to do with concern over the spread of diseases and everything to do with people worrying too much about what other people do with their genitals.

    Additionally, while it's true it might be hard to catch a disease watching a pornographic film, the OP wasn't posing a question about the legality of watching pornographic films. The act of making a pornographic film is what he was comparing to prostitution, and he's right, they are very much the same thing.
     
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    I think BD said originated in, not were still as. They were a result of puritan reform but there was a public health element as well. Prostitution was legally protected in much of Europe until the 16th Century. The 16th Century was a volatile period in many ways, religious morality being one.

    As for modern laws having nothing to do with the spread of disease I think that's superficial. Neither are they entirely about concern over the activities of people's genitalia. There are issues around prostitution that when taken at face value have little or nothing to do with health or puritanical nonsense but everything to do with what's right and wrong; the growth of sex tourism being one and human trafficing another - both involve prostitution, albeit often involuntary. Sex tourism has a rather fuzzy illegality to me, until it involves minors and/or coercion.

    I think prostitution should be legal, if for no other reason that I don't believe the state should have a right to dictate what any consenting adult does with their body whether for financial gain or not provided no other crime is committed and no harm is done.

    As for Porn movies constituting prostitution by proxy, I suppose one could see it that way. I'd lay odds catching some form of disease from a porno house wasn't outside the realm of possibilty.
     
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    Except perhaps the unprotected actors and actresses in them.
     
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    Yes, "nobody" was too strong a word. I should have mentioned something about "wholesale lots".
     
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    that is totally wrong
    more than one pornstar was infected with HIV while working in front of camera
     
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    See posts #7 & #8. :biggrin1:
     
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    Which he contracted from the movie, or from another actor? Big difference - one's two-dimensional and nothing but a shadow, the other is a proper disease vector.

    C'mon, folks; read first, then grouse.
     
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    A fair smattering of posters here appear to think in two dimensions and as for reading, well, hardly at all. What did you expect?
     
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    What are you all talking about? Prostitution is and always has been legal. Case in point: I went out with a girl paid for movies, dinners, lunches, jewlery, etc. Most of those times she resipricated in sex. Am I missing something here?
     
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    Nope.

    You nailed it.
     
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    Well, I did actually get a nasty "paper cut" while changing a film reel once. It gave me a slight infection, but you're right, not really a disease, so, um, nevermind. :tongue:
     
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    Film???
     
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    Yea, it doesn't seem complicated:

    Scenario #1: Pay a girl to have sex with you = illegal
    Scenario #2: Pay a girl to have sex with you and have a camera in the room = legal
     
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    I am not clear about the laws in different states but what is clear from what i have seen, and i can only speak from my own experience, there is a world of difference between prostitution and adult film workers....

    do prostitutes have verifiable health certificates from the last three months issued by a clinic or Dr? are they tested every 30 days? Do they provide 2 forms of photo id, do they sign a model release? Is everyone tested on the day of the shoot for HIV1&2, and if anybody is suspected of been under the influence of drink and drugs they are not allowed to work.

    On a typical film shoot there are any number up to 10 people doing various jobs. The actors are just that actors, there is nothing that is intimate and sexually gratifying, the actors are just doing a job. Now i am not saying this happens in all porn, afterall if a guy can get a woman and use his mobile phone then he can upload a clip, send it to his mates with or without her consent and knowledge!

    Oh and licensed companies pay taxes!

    Prostitution is one person wanting to pay for sexual gratification and release, the prostitute is offering that service, now the laws exist to stop any exploitation.
     
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    First of all, those things that you are listing ARE in fact true of prostitution in Nevada and many other places where it is legal. That's a bit like asking why the FDA isn't regulating quality control in the Cocaine business......IT'S ILLEGAL.

    Are you saying that when a male "actor" is fucking a beautiful woman and climaxing in her or on her that it is in no way "sexually gratifying"??? Are you assuming that female prostitutes are constantly sexually gratified because there is no camera present?

    In Nevada where prostitution is legal, they pay a tremendous amount of tax because it's legal, taxed, and regulated.

    I've seen enough porn to know that often times it's just a dude with a camera. I'd suspect there are plenty of male "actors" who work for free.

    I'm sticking to my original premise........the main difference here is a camera.
     
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    There is a reason, at least in California, for the distinction. In a court case, it was found that the actors were being paid to be in a movie, not to have sex, at least not under the strict interpretation of the state's laws prohibiting prostitution. Because of this court case, producers of pornography haven't had to worry about being prosecuted for soliciting prostitution, although the feds still occasionally go after them for obscenity.

    This case is a major reason why the pornographic film industry is so concentrated in California. And the proximity to the mainstream film and television industries tends to concentrate it even further in the Los Angeles area.
     
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