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- The 1000:100 ratio is not a marketing stat. Businesses are not giving away 90% for free.
- And Game of Thrones was never the most watched show in Australia before it aired, it always aired the day of the rest of the world. It was just pirated an insane amount because the pay service was expensive and difficult to set up.

If I was putting in time and effort to make content and someone came to me justifying posting it for thousands of people to download it for free, and they gave me these stats, I'd probably tell them to shut up too. Onlyfans is supposed to empower the creator. Now the reality of online content being shared is something else, but when we try to justify bad behaviour by saying it for the performer's own good, it's easy to call bullshit.
Ok, correcting myself,
- I didnt say he shold give 90% for free, but he cold not be mad when one or another video show up on pornhub
-I was trying to remember the link between GoT and Australia and it was the country where it was more pirated in the first 24 hours, thank u for the correction. My point is, most people who bought products from the brand didnt have HBO, but HBO was getting the cash anyway. In another way, in this case.
- My point is, he should not be so closed with his content. We are talking about someone who got 1.000 people in his cam4 room, asked a small fortune for for a flash of his soft cock, and people payed. Now people dont go to hes room because there is no free content there (in this case, they wont see a thing if someone else pay) its not worth to wait 3hours for a flash that is not coming. No one will record that flash and the video wont float around and other people with money wont see that and think "holly shit, this guys is super hot, where do I finde more of him?". So, yeah, acting the way he is, its bad marketing.
 
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- The 1000:100 ratio is not a marketing stat. Businesses are not giving away 90% for free.
- And Game of Thrones was never the most watched show in Australia before it aired, it always aired the day of the rest of the world. It was just pirated an insane amount because the pay service was expensive and difficult to set up.

If I was putting in time and effort to make content and someone came to me justifying posting it for thousands of people to download it for free, and they gave me these stats, I'd probably tell them to shut up too. Onlyfans is supposed to empower the creator. Now the reality of online content being shared is something else, but when we try to justify bad behaviour by saying it for the performer's own good, it's easy to call bullshit.

Did you see this guys twitter? https://twitter.com/spartacozz
146.000 followers, and he does not hide his big fat cock. He started doing shows on chaturbate, has a feel free old videos around and gives some free samples.
 

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Ok, correcting myself,
- I didnt say he shold give 90% for free, but he cold not be mad when one or another video show up on pornhub
-I was trying to remember the link between GoT and Australia and it was the country where it was more pirated in the first 24 hours, thank u for the correction. My point is, most people who bought products from the brand didnt have HBO, but HBO was getting the cash anyway. In another way, in this case.
- My point is, he should not be so closed with his content. We are talking about someone who got 1.000 people in his cam4 room, asked a small fortune for for a flash of his soft cock, and people payed. Now people dont go to hes room because there is no free content there (in this case, they wont see a thing if someone else pay) its not worth to wait 3hours for a flash that is not coming. No one will record that flash and the video wont float around and other people with money wont see that and think "holly shit, this guys is super hot, where do I finde more of him?". So, yeah, acting the way he is, its bad marketing.
Look, I'm hearing you want to (sometimes) see his content for free and I think we can all relate to that.

I think there's been this phenomenon where performers have seen Chaturbate and now OnlyFans and thought, shit, people are making so much easy money off this and I don't want to miss out. Then when they start they realise it takes a lot of time and effort. It must be soul crushing to see your content turn up online for free. Even if it does give them exposure (tell an artist you're going to give their artwork away for free but they'll get exposure and they'll smack you) it is still a big loss of power and agency and possibly money.

But, I do hear you.
 
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Look, I'm hearing you want to (sometimes) see his content for free and I think we can all relate to that.

I think there's been this phenomenon where performers have seen Chaturbate and now OnlyFans and thought, shit, people are making so much easy money off this and I don't want to miss out. Then when they start they realise it takes a lot of time and effort. It must be soul crushing to see your content turn up online for free. Even if it does give them exposure (tell an artist you're going to give their artwork away for free but they'll get exposure and they'll smack you) it is still a big loss of power and agency and possibly money.

But, I do hear you.
Dude, its not about me wanting to see it for free. I trully belive he waste to much energy in something that used correctally could make him win more money. You must be american and ok, I know you guys have this way of thinking that piratary is a huge crime. Well, im not american, the way I see it, for him, it is a oportunity for him, if he knows how to use it. I know it must be unconfortable, but running after every leaked photo or video kills the organic marketing. His content its not a book that people will indicate puplically to each other. you will finde it in pornhub
 

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Unwatching this thread. The bickering is boring. There's better, hotter, cheaper and nicer creators out there.. Mansaf thinks he's the bomb with nothing to back it up.
100% agree. There’s no return of investment with this dude. He offers:
- A nice dick that once you’ve seen you don’t really need to see again.
- A boring personality that makes me want to watch the History Channel instead.
- Girl bye.
 
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I shared one photo of him coming on a mirror, he reported it and got his entire main thread deleted. Apart from this one, I'm not sure that he's got an online presence anywhere, so without a BIT of publicity, how does he expect to get followers?

Yeah, sharing EVERYTHING for free isn't a good idea...but just one photo or a short clip, to help people know what they'd be getting. I wouldn't subscribe based on what he puts out there and also, what he puts out there is SO hard to find!
 

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I shared one photo of him coming on a mirror, he reported it and got his entire main thread deleted. Apart from this one, I'm not sure that he's got an online presence anywhere, so without a BIT of publicity, how does he expect to get followers?

Yeah, sharing EVERYTHING for free isn't a good idea...but just one photo or a short clip, to help people know what they'd be getting. I wouldn't subscribe based on what he puts out there and also, what he puts out there is SO hard to find!
Have none of you guys ever heard of word of mouth?

Also, if he gets 10 subs paying 100 each then that’s the same as getting 100 subs paying 10 each, but the marketing strategy for the 10 subs is very, very different. Mansaf has always positioned himself as expensive and seems to be content to have a smaller audience who pay more. If he needed more money he could just as easily start doing teaser videos, etc. He’s not stupid after all.
 
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Have none of you guys ever heard of word of mouth?

Also, if he gets 10 subs paying 100 each then that’s the same as getting 100 subs paying 10 each, but the marketing strategy for the 10 subs is very, very different. Mansaf has always positioned himself as expensive and seems to be content to have a smaller audience who pay more. If he needed more money he could just as easily start doing teaser videos, etc. He’s not stupid after all.

Who's talking about him though and to whom? Without a thread like this and a photo here and there, there's no one to talk to! I wouldn't go up to a stranger on the street and say, "You should really join Mansef's OnlyFans". I don't know ANYONE in the real world, or actually my online world, who I'd recommend an OF to.
 

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I find it amazing how many people think about this guy. yes he looks good and is a horny guy. when i saw him for the first time i fell for him too and wanted to see more of him. I've been watching him on chaturbate and cam4 for a while and quickly realized that he shamelessly rips off his fans. on CB his last account was blocked again, presumably because of his behavior towards the viewers. i have never seen on CB or cam4 that he offers at least one ticket show for his fans. i wonder what he would do if all the fans turned their backs on him and stopped giving him money......there are enough of them other guys who look at least as cool as he does and behave more friendly to their fans. give and take, he only takes........
 

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I find it amazing how many people think about this guy. yes he looks good and is a horny guy. when i saw him for the first time i fell for him too and wanted to see more of him. I've been watching him on chaturbate and cam4 for a while and quickly realized that he shamelessly rips off his fans. on CB his last account was blocked again, presumably because of his behavior towards the viewers. i have never seen on CB or cam4 that he offers at least one ticket show for his fans. i wonder what he would do if all the fans turned their backs on him and stopped giving him money......there are enough of them other guys who look at least as cool as he does and behave more friendly to their fans. give and take, he only takes........

Some people love a bastard. They're grateful for what they can be, happy to be mistreated...but that is a small demographic. I don't see why anyone who does "porn" can't, even if they're a horrible person in reality, but on a good show of being a nice guy, provide great content and charge accordingly! If he delivered on what he charges for and didn't keep shutting down the threads about him, then live and let live.
 
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I find it amazing how many people think about this guy. yes he looks good and is a horny guy. when i saw him for the first time i fell for him too and wanted to see more of him. I've been watching him on chaturbate and cam4 for a while and quickly realized that he shamelessly rips off his fans. on CB his last account was blocked again, presumably because of his behavior towards the viewers. i have never seen on CB or cam4 that he offers at least one ticket show for his fans. i wonder what he would do if all the fans turned their backs on him and stopped giving him money......there are enough of them other guys who look at least as cool as he does and behave more friendly to their fans. give and take, he only takes........
I've only ever seen him be really friendly with people.
 

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Dude, its not about me wanting to see it for free. I trully belive he waste to much energy in something that used correctally could make him win more money. You must be american and ok, I know you guys have this way of thinking that piratary is a huge crime. Well, im not american, the way I see it, for him, it is a oportunity for him, if he knows how to use it. I know it must be unconfortable, but running after every leaked photo or video kills the organic marketing. His content its not a book that people will indicate puplically to each other. you will finde it in pornhub
He's doing just fine. He doesn't need anyone worrying about his marketing strategy.
 

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He's doing just fine. He doesn't need anyone worrying about his marketing strategy.

Well, he might be doing fine, but as part of the viewing audience...I'm not that happy with the way he conducts himself. He needs to ALLOW us to talk about him just a little. I wish LPSG wouldn't be so quick to side with him and shut down entire threads. The last one had been running for years and he'd actually participated in it himself...but now that's gone. Erased, even the if content had been removed, at least the conversation could have stayed :-/
 

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Well, he might be doing fine, but as part of the viewing audience...I'm not that happy with the way he conducts himself. He needs to ALLOW us to talk about him just a little. I wish LPSG wouldn't be so quick to side with him and shut down entire threads. The last one had been running for years and he'd actually participated in it himself...but now that's gone. Erased, even the if content had been removed, at least the conversation could have stayed :-/
LPSG were not quick to shut it down. As you said it was around for years.

You have free reign to discuss him.
 

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LPSG were not quick to shut it down. As you said it was around for years.

You have free reign to discuss him.
It puts you off a bit though, that you might suddenly get banned, or bring an entire thread down with one post :-/ SO many of the guys who the threads are about (and that get taken down) actually participate! Mansaf used to follow and respond regularly to posts in the old thread and I enjoyed the interaction...but not the censorship. I know that some people's opinions might be ugly or even offensive, but let the discussion not just be one-dimensional.

If Mansaf is following this one, I wish he'd post a photo or a clip just to prove that he's a good sport and to encourage subscribers...not hide in the shadows and sneakily report posts :-/