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  1. TheRenn

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    Like it or not, libertarian politics are growing in both popularity and credibility.

    FOX business is airing a new show, Freedom Watch on Saturdays, Bill O' Reilly has John Stossel on as a regular guest to discuss libertarian viewpoints and Glenn Beck says he's getting "more and more libertarian every day."

    Ron Paul won the CPAC straw poll, his son Rand Paul got elected to the US Senate in Kentucky.

    And all the while, libertarians have been proven right in terms of what the end result of 100 years of deficit spending is: sovereign debt crisis, national insolvency, overextended military operations around the globe, and the government's desire to centralize all the power in the executive in the name of 'saving us.' Think the Health Care Bill with its individual mandate that requires you to purchase health care from 'government approved' insurance carriers and the Financial Reform Bill, which claimed to end too big to fail, but in fact continues the policy and allows the government to monitor any business big or small in order to seize its assets if they are 'at risk' of going out of business. It also allows our credit card statements to be tracked by a whole new government bureaucracy.

    Meanwhile, we've seen welfare for the rich (corporate bailouts) for companies that should have gone bankrupt. The greatest distribution of wealth in the history of mankind.

    Washington D.C. is the only metropolitan area that is reporting job creation. The rest of the country is slipping deeper and deeper into recession and joblessness.

    The Tea party movement is growing by the day and becoming more and more vocal about the lies on both sides, endless spending and the lack of a constitutional government.

    Whether you realize it or not, I'm here to tell you that the Tea Party is here to stay. If we're going to pull ourselves out of this mess, we're going to need every Tea Party supporter out there to step up and decry the outright disrespect of our constitution and ideals of limited government that best serves the people.

    If you don't understand the Tea party or think they're a bunch of 'racists' then I would strongly suggest you reconsider and inform yourself about what the real Tea party is about.

    Read some Ron Paul and Peter Schiff. If you're not willing to do that, you really have no business putting your 2 cents in.
     
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    BTW..........Rand Paul won the Republican Primary for Senate. The election is in November.
     
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    All this talk about a multi party system, yet not a single Tea Party candidate or Libertarian truly running under the umbrella of their own party. What good is all this talk about other parties when in the end they all run under the Republican ticket anyhow, going around talking like they're something new and different yet catering to all of those same old Conservative financial sources to fund their campaigns.

    It's time for a "teabagger", Libertarian, or whatever the cute buzzword of the moment to just talk the big game and actually walk the walk. Run as an independent or run under your own "party". But as long as they run under the (R), they will still be eyed as Republicans regardless of how some of their beliefs may differ.
     
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    But in Beck's case "libertarian" would be code for "delusional and paranoid".


    Had the Tea Party really been fed up with "the lies on both sides", it would have put forward Tea Party politicians, of a "Tea Party", to challenge the Democrat and Republican Parties. But instead these persons must be labeled Republican Party supporters - as they lent support to Republican Ron Paul and other Republican candidates, such as Rand Paul and Peter Schiff.

    Certain lpsg members, being condescending Tea Partisans or libertarians, once manifesting an additional trait of racism, for which they were personally denounced, responded by saying: they weren't racist but libertarian, black people are racist too, Tea Party members are not racist - as if those statements somehow negated or justified their bigotry.
     
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    Bro, I'm getting real tired of the race card being played here. America is getting real tired of it. As a matter of fact, we can't afford to do it anymore. Just remember, people who race-bait are trying to divide up America into ethnic categories and interest groups (for their own political gain, not ours) and that we need to be uniting right now.

    It's all about the constitution and not about parties. When you centralize power the way our government is currently doing, you are actively subverting the constitution and what makes this country great.

    Truth is, the Civil Rights Act was an outgrowth of public sentiment at the time. The government came in and made it legally binding, but the impetus of change came from the people. And I'm not against the Civil Rights Act, but I am against the government dictating the way you run your business. And that's the issue because it sets a precedent that the government can come in and dictate other things. So far, as a result of some of the language 'inside' the Civil Rights Bill, we've had anti-discrimination laws and other such laws that actually make it harder for employers to hire minorities. Why should employers risk discrimination law-suits and the rest of it? And do you really need the government to come in and step into a situation that should be resolved between the two parties involved? All of these laws are actually inflaming racism in this country! And all those other mandated benefits and tax duties are the reason why most businesses hire illegals over American citizens. Because they're cheaper and they don't have to file with the government.

    Just remember, you can't fool the free market. And that's the bottom line.


    So far, Ive heard no one say they've read Ron Paul or that they can critique his views. Until you can do that, you don't really get it.
     
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    fuck all the politics,special from fox,republicans assholes!!!!!!!!1
     
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    The Teabaggers are not Libertarian: they would fight tooth and nail to retain Medicare and Social Security.
     
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    Yes please mainstream your batshit ideas any way you can. Getting out of the UN and going back to the gold standard are great ideas. So is forcing everyone to be Christian so we don't even need a government.
     
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    Wow, I have not heard ONE decent argument rebutting me yet.
     
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    You don't deserve one. :rolleyes:
    Why should anyone here provide a well crafted and though out rebuttal for your obvious rant? The Tea Party is nothing more than a socially reconfigured figment of the Republican Party.
     
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    The anti-Obama fervor of the Tea Party is exactly that: anti-Obama fervor, mixed in with the annoyance over taxes. People don't want to pay taxes, but I bet they'd fight tooth and nail to preserve medicare and social security among other tax-funded benefits.

    Social conservatives, like those at Fox News, are not libertarians. Libertarianism, by definition, is very socially liberal, so don't cite Fox News as a source of "libertarian" viewpoints; they're Republican viewpoints designed to make Obama look bad.

    ...and Pat Robertson won the Iowa straw poll when he was running for president. Those on the far ends of the political spectrum tend to do well in primaries, straw polls, and other polls of that nature. Oh, and Rand Paul won the primary, not the Senate seat (and proceeded to promptly shoot himself in the foot).

    Libertarians are hardly the only critics of things like that. They're only part of a rather large segment of the American populace whose views conflict on those matters. Don't try to paint libertarians as a group of brilliant economic prophets more in tune with the economy than everyone else.

    Care to provide a source?

    Methinks they won't complain anywhere near as much if Republicans take power. That's just my hunch.

    Duh. There will always be angry conservatives, much as there will be angry people on end of the political spectrum.

    I hardly consider the movement itself as racist, and I view it as a group of right-wing politicians exploiting outrage over slow economic recovery.
     
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    Yeah stop benefits for everyone, unless *I* get those benefits. I think that sums up the tea party beliefs. :smile: Those signs saying "Hands off Medicare" "Keep your hands off my Social Security" are RAMPANT at the the tea party demonstrations. They are all too willing to tell other people not to do something but when it comes down to it they are NOT willing to give up anything.

    If the TeaParty freaks were libertarian they would be calling on a total elimination of Medicare and Soc. Sec. but I have yet to see placards and signs saying THAT.

    If you really want to libertarianism go look at Somalia. It functions so well :rolleyes: Nothing happens there unless you directly pay for it. Libertarianism is an ideology that hasn't been shown to work for any country.

    It works great in utopian idealism though.
     
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    Rand Paul is HARDLY a libertarian. He's against gay marriage and against legalizing marijuana. No true libertarian is going to win in Kentucky- they're too socially conservative. Classic conservative Republican? Yes. Libertarian? No. I'm not going to address your idea that businesses should be allowed to discriminate based on race, etc. Good luck running with that idea.
     
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    I wouldn't hold my breath ...
     
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    Speaking of Rand Paul...

    The Associated Press: Rand Paul flips, seeks money from bailout senators
     
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    I have many Republican associates, most of them dyed-in-the-wool types who are nervous as 600 sheep as they await Sharon Angle's coming out of the GOP chrysalis in the next couple of weeks. As a member of the Nevada Assembly she's famous for being out spoken on issues such as:

    1. Make alcoholic beverages illegal. Although her personal "spokesperson" (not Angle, herself) has emphasized Sharron does not want to bring back Prohibition.

    2. Putting fluoride in city water systems is a communist ploy to control minds.

    3. She believes that the U.S. Department of Education should be eliminated.

    4. She believes in United States withdrawal from the United Nations, saying it is a bastion of liberal ideology and "the umpire on fraudulent science such as global warming.

    5. She wants to see the gradual phasing out of Medicare and Social Security, and moving towards privatization, citing their current insolvency.

    6. She is for a comprehensive audit of the Federal Reserve, eliminating the complete Internal Revenue Service code and abolishing Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Note: She purchased her first home through Housing and Urban Development. Cute, no?

    7. She opposes legalizing marijuana.

    8. She has frequently stated: "I'm a clean-air proponent. I don't, however, buy into the whole man-caused global warming, man-caused climate change mantra of the left. I believe that there's not sound science to back that up."

    9. She wants to repeal regulations that prohibit offshore drilling, drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and development of American-owned petroleum resources. In the Nevada State Legislature, she led efforts to reduce Nevada's high gas tax, which was the second highest in the nation. She would also have supported the installation of three coal-fired plants in Ely, Nevada, helping pollute the pristine air of Utah's famous National Parks: Zions, Bryce, Canyon Lands, and Natural Bridges. Note: Despite Nevada's high gas tax, gas and diesel are less expensive in Nevada than neighboring Ewetaw, Idaho, and California. She's unable to explain why.

    10. Second Amendment / Rights to Form a Militia
    During her primary campaign she insisted: "What is a little bit disconcerting and concerning is the inability for sporting goods stores to keep ammunition in stock ... That tells me the nation is arming. What are they arming for if it isn't that they are so distrustful of their government? They're afraid they'll have to fight for their liberty in more Second Amendment kinds of ways? That's why I look at this as almost an imperative. If we don't win at the ballot box, what will be the next step?"

    Asked to comment on the issue, Angle spokesman Jerry Stacy was quick to issue via email: "Sharron Angle does not advocate a revolution. Her goal is to go to Washington with other like-minded elected officials who understand the proper role of the federal government as already defined by our Constitution."

    And, of course, she has made no secret that she thinks gays are evil/sinful and a serious threat to the home and family, which "logically" leads to a weakened United States. She pro-life. Anti same sex marriage. Would love to see an amendment in the Constitution making marriage legal only between a man and his woman.

    Oh, and she supports The Church of scientology's Second Chance drug rehabilitation program and would like to implement it in all of Nevada's prisons (we've got bunches of prisons for such an unpopulated State). Go figure.

    The source for all of this is the Vote for Angle hand out I received in my post office box before the primary election. I basically just retyped the flyer. You can also find the same stuff by reading The Las Vegas Sun on-line. If you don't like balanced news reporting, you can find the exact same stuff on-line at the Las Vegas Review Journal. The Review Journal is a lot like FOX News Network, but somehow crankier.

    And she's a Southern Baptist. :smile: The Senate wants her for a sun beam. :smile:

    Currently, casino odds are Angle winning 50% to Harry Reid getting 39%. But that will change once the GOP helps Sharron get in touch with her inner beauty queen, hires a stylist to dress her, and follows her around during the upcoming campaign with a bevy of "handlers" who try to help her avoid putting both feet in her mouth.

    While nothing in life -- and especially politics -- is certain, Harry Reid thinks he just may have a chance to retain his office. But I'm not a betting man.
     
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    To aid my credibility, I'll note that I've met and spoken at length with Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, and Bob Barr. They're nice people, but I've since moved away from Libertarianism and towards the only logically and morally sound position. Now on to my rant:

    It's too little, too late.

    When America was founded, we intended an ideal state which limits its actions to those which are moral on an individual level (as opposed to the doctrine of European nations, where murder and robbery were considered immoral, but wars and massacres were justified).

    After two and a half centuries of unjust wars, genocide of Natives, slavery, suppression of States' rights, eminent domain, segregation, and most recently, the requirement that all citizens buy health insurance (because that surely affects interstate commerce!) the conclusion is simple:

    Just government is impossible. Every nation, no matter how lofty and noble its aims, will devolve into a bloated, corrupt bureaucracy that suppresses the rights of individuals and siphons wealth to its ruling elite. America has failed. My advice: withhold your vote, thereby diminishing the legitimacy of our government, and doing your part to quicken the eventual demise of Leviathan.
     
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    Nice read midlifebear. I will never understand how someone can be pro life and pro weapons that are build to end life. It just does not make sense to me.
     
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    WTF?!

    I can tolerate abolishing the Dept. of Education, and openly supporting armed resistance against federal authority. I can even tolerate her complete lack understanding of science or the art of analytical thinking.

    But opposing legalizing marijuana?
     
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    You have to put forth an argument worth rebutting first.
     
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