Can Russia really be blamed for the Flight MH17 tragedy?

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i am convinced the Russian trucks left the Ukraine after they had delivered there humanitarian aid, just in case there was a thought of an invasion
so much for gratuitous thanks from Kiev ..


112 trucks carrying German humanitarian aid enter Ukraine (VIDEO)

http://rt.com/news/193976-german-aid-enters-ukraine/

Earlier Russia delivered its humanitarian aid for people of Donbass (Donetsk and Lugansk regions in southeastern Ukraine). There have been three convoys (about 200 trucks each) sent to Ukraine, of which the last arrived in Donetsk on September 20.

On September 13, and on August 22 Russia delivered humanitarian aid to Lugansk. A total over 4,000 tons of supplies were delivered to the crisis-stricken city.


On both occasions Kiev refused to clear the cargoes and accused Russia of invading Ukraine. Moscow for its part accused the Ukrainian authorities of deliberately stalling the relief missions to crisis-torn areas.
 

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Anti-Russian propaganda... it's sad to see Amnesty International stoop so low.

Oh my GOD!!! You mean a journalist was killed? Holy shit, that's never fucking happened outside of Russia right?

Is she any different than Michael fucking Hastings? Michael was killed in a more high tech fashion than Anna but they are essentially the same.
 

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Everything is anti-russian propaganda. Russia is perfect (that's why you live there right?) and Putin is the saviour of humanity. :biggrin1:

Ahhh... just because I defend Russia doesn't mean that I am some Russia-fanboi. lolz!

Russia is not perfect but it isn't any different than Western countries as far as how evil or corrupt it is... this has always been my contention.
 

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Ahhh... just because I defend Russia doesn't mean that I am some Russia-fanboi. lolz!

Russia is not perfect but it isn't any different than Western countries as far as how evil or corrupt it is... this has always been my contention.

Right, so Russia has all the same freedoms as western European Liberal Democracies??? Same gay rights, same free elections, same free press, same people invading sovereign nations, shooting down commercial aircraft, same genocides. Russia is obsessed with being European and it currently clearly is not. I suggest you take a few trips back.
 

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Right, so Russia has all the same freedoms as western European Liberal Democracies??? Same gay rights, same free elections, same free press, same people invading sovereign nations, shooting down commercial aircraft, same genocides. Russia is obsessed with being European and it currently clearly is not. I suggest you take a few trips back.

Genocides? Thats the European Union's territory... ask Germany and Turkey about that.

Free Press? Gay Rights? How the fuck as an American is any of this my concern? Those anti-gay laws have widespread support from the largely homophobic Russian population.

What the fuck do you propose to do? make Russians go through gay friendly re-education camps?

You as a non-Russian citizen need to learn to butt the fuck out of other countries business.

Georgia had what was coming to them and there never was any Ukrainian invasion... Ukraine was never as stupid as Georgia.

What alternate form of history do you live in where the Nazis were the good guys and the Russians were the bad guys? You clearly have the defeat of the Nazis from Russian hands... without Russia, you probably would have been exterminated and would have never existed. Germany would have surely come to kick your British asses at some point.

But you are a smug and thankless Western citizen who persecutes the ONE goddamn country who stood between you and Hitler's Nazi Utopia.

I spit in your direction.
 

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Free Press? Gay Rights? How the fuck as an American is any of this my concern? Those anti-gay laws have widespread support from the largely homophobic Russian population.

What the fuck do you propose to do? make Russians go through gay friendly re-education camps?

You as a non-Russian citizen need to learn to butt the fuck out of other countries business.

Problem solved. :sigh:
 

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Criticising any aspect of Russia makes you a nazi sympathiser.

Being a Russophobe makes you a Nazi sympathizer... you don't have ONE kind word to say about the people that sacrificed MILLIONS defeating an enemy that wanted to grind your country up and shit all over it.

Worse, yet, you demonize Russia as it is responsible for most of the evil's of the world while ignoring your own country's disastrous effect on the planet.

You should be kissing Russia's ass but you would rather vilify them. Churchill was a Russophobe... your whole goddamn country is Russophobic to the fucking CORE. ENgland has been making life HELL for Russians for hundreds of years. English people are sadists of the highest order. You want all of the world's wealth and don't give a FUCK who suffers.

Dude, leave the vodka alone and read up on Circassian.

So... this is somehow on par with what Germany and Turkey did? I'm not even fucking mentioning the MILLIONS killed by the Ottoman empire.

England never hurt a hair on anyone's head right? England never saw a brown skinned person they didn't want to subjugate. England is responsible for the deaths of millions of innocents too.

How many Russians died because England was too chicken shit to take the Germans head on in land battles? Fucking MILLIONS.

As an Englishman... YOU have the blood of millions of dead Russians on your hands.

Circassians? What the fuck ever, it's meaningless... the US killed more Native peoples... goddamn EU's own Italian douchebag Columbus killed more native peoples.
 

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“Pardon Us For Our Country’s Existence in the Middle of Your Military Bases” – Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov’s Speech at the UN

By Carla Stea
Global Research, October 14, 2014
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“Pardon Us For Our Country’s Existence in the Middle of Your Military Bases” – Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov’s Speech at the UN | Global Research

In a courageous and brilliant speech to the United Nations General Assembly on September 27, 2014, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov pierced the veil of obfuscation that characterizes too many speeches at the United Nations, and delivered a scathing denunciation of Western imperialism, imperialism that can only be accurately described as global theft. Lavrov, on behalf of the Russian Federation implicitly warned that US/NATO is risking global war in embarking on its campaign to seize and dominate huge territories, while inexorably and ruthlessly determined to conquer and subjugate Russia, having learned nothing from the historic reality that Napolean’s effort to dominate Russia led to the collapse of Napoleonic France, and Hitler’s attempt to subjugate Russia led to the obliteration of his Third Reich.

Perhaps this third attempt to conquer and subjugate Russia may lead not only to war encompassing huge territories of the globe, but, dialectically, may be the catalyst leading to the ultimate decline of capitalism, an economic system which thrives almost entirely on imperialism, and is undergoing a possibly terminal crisis, as described by the French economist, Thomas Piketty in his best-selling work “Capital in the 21 Century.” In desperation, dysfunctional Western capitalism is lashing out recklessly and irrationally, unwilling and unable to preclude the disastrous consequences of its myopic policies. And one possible consequence of current US/NATO policies is thermonuclear war.

Lavrov stated: “The U.S.-led Western alliance that portrays itself as a champion of democracy, rule of law and human rights within individual countries, acts from directly opposite positions in the international arena, rejecting the democratic principle of sovereign equality of states enshrined in the UN Charter and trying to decide for everyone what is good or evil.”

“Washington has openly declared its right to unilateral use of force anywhere to uphold its own interests. Military interference has become a norm – even despite the dismal outcome of all power operations that the U.S. has carried out over the recent years.”
 

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Even if i wouldnt agree with lavrov on everything, but in some cases he is right.

The extreme form of capitalism is quite equal to colonialism. Where a few live on the cost of many.
Also does the usa/nato really believe that they dont have to care for international law...

But he didnt mentioned that russia cares even less for International law or the uno - at the end does no superpower cares for the opinion of others
 

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does this sound like the mad bad bastard that EVERYONE makes him out to be??
sounds like she took a more diplomatic approach than her big mouthed PM mouthing off ..


Foreign Minister Julie Bishop meets with Vladimir Putin for talks over MH17 site access
During the conversation, Ms Bishop told Fairfax Media, Mr Putin agreed to use his influence on the rebels in eastern Ukraine, to help teams return to the crash site.
He also agreed to co-operate fully with the investigation into the causes of the crash.

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop meets with Vladimir Putin for talks over MH17 site access
 

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Foreign Minister Julie Bishop meets with Vladimir Putin for talks over MH17 site access

Aussie FM praises Putin .. must be true because i heard it on SKY a Western medias trusted news source
dont forget EVERYONE says any Russian news sources have propaganda by default next to it duh!!!
about time someone did, took a woman to be realistic and honest!


Foreign Minister Julie Bishop meets with Vladimir Putin for talks over MH17 site access

of course shithead UK PM Cameron trying to divert attn from Ukraine to Ebola ..

UK Prime Minister David Cameron said Mr Putin had "said very clearly he doesn't want a frozen conflict, he doesn't want a divided Ukraine".

In that case he had to get Russian troops and heavy weapons out of Ukraine, and recognise the result of next weeks' parliamentary elections.

Mr Cameron also called for countries other than the US, the UK and France to do more to tackle the Ebola crisis at its source in Africa.