Can Someone Explain The No-fap Nonsense?

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My head hurts after reading just a tiny amount of this no-fap subreddit. What it all seems to come down to is a bunch of people blaming every one of their life problems on jacking off. Most likely they were taught that sexual desires were shameful, sinful, etc. And of course I'm sure a lot of it is just trolling or mentally unstable people. They claim to be such better people and lead far better lives now that they no longer submit to their sexual desires.

I'll just say this. I had to abstain from jacking off and sex for over two months after I got circumcised as an adult. The only thing in my life that changed is how irritable I was during those two months. Of course my life before having to abstain wasn't bad at all. But still, things stayed the same. I didn't have some sudden increase in energy, motivation, and unlimited success like these morons claim. I've always jerked off and have always had a great social life, family life, did well in school, and have been successful.

The problems these people claim to have won't be solved by abstaining. They need a psychiatrist and perhaps some Lithium or Prozac.
 
I agree if you were brought up in an up tight family where it was bad or evil to touch yourself then those are the people trying to push abstinence. For the rest of us it’s normal and has little effect on you but I do notice I’m more relaxed if I do jerk once in a while kinda takes the edge off. Lol. Most people just need to relax and not be so uptight.
 
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I haven't read the Reddit thread, but I think its okay for different people to choose different things for themselves. It is possible to get addicted to masturbation, and its easier for some people to fall into that. If not masturbating helps people in some way, maybe feeling more motivated or whatever, and they want to do that, then why not.

You may be able to masturbate a moderate amount, but some people on that Reddit thread might not be able to. Just like some people can go out an have a few beers and be fine, while that will start other people on a downward spiral. Some people need to abstain from activities that some of us find harmless in order to keep themselves healthy.
 
I haven't read the Reddit thread, but I think its okay for different people to choose different things for themselves. It is possible to get addicted to masturbation, and its easier for some people to fall into that. If not masturbating helps people in some way, maybe feeling more motivated or whatever, and they want to do that, then why not.

You may be able to masturbate a moderate amount, but some people on that Reddit thread might not be able to. Just like some people can go out an have a few beers and be fine, while that will start other people on a downward spiral. Some people need to abstain from activities that some of us find harmless in order to keep themselves healthy.

And that's fine. If they weren't claiming all sorts of things that amounts to nothing more than pseudoscience bs then I wouldn't have given it a second thought.
 
i think like anything doing something too much is not healthy. Im not apart of that movement nor will i ever stop fapping but i can admit ive spent years avoiding relationships by staying inside and fapping. Luckily Im not like that anymore but i still watch porn everyday
 
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I think it no fap November started as a joke/meme and then it turned into every day December as another meme/joke.
But if people are up for the challenge to not jack off or look at porn it's up to them.
 
There is some far eastern teaching that semen retention gives us energy. I don't believe that to be true and I suspect it comes from having experienced the relaxed, maybe even slightly sleepy feeling immediately after cumming and theorising that the semen leaving the body must be taking a significant amount of energy with it. We know now that was is actually happenning is that hormones are released into the blood to create that feeling and that afterwards they are metabolised and the effect wears off. Probably that takes longer in an older man than a younger one and it part of why the refractory period is longer for an older man.

Personally, I find the refractory period is very usefui as this is when I am best able to concentrate on non-sexual stuff such as my job. So far from it being a case of needing to assert my will over my sex drive it is more a case of going with it when there is nothing else I should be doing so when there is something else I need to do, I am able to concenrate on doing it.

As for becoming "addicted", I don't think there is any doubt that some people find they spend a great deal of time masturbating and spend rather less time than they should on the other parts of life such as working, socialising and family life. It is tempting to feel the strong instictive need to cum regularly and say that it is an addication and that, like alcoholism, if only one could resist for long enough the urge would go away but I very much doubt this.

The sex drive not like what we usually think of as addictions. To take smoking as an example, whoever felt an instrictive need to smoke cigarattes? I doubt anyone did. The motivation to do so came from other people portraying it as a desirable thing to do, whether in advertising or in person, and it only once having started that it became a real addiction, i.e. where it was hard to stop even after becoming less popular and the numerous health messages. While drinking alcohol is not addictive to most people, for those who do become addicted I suspect it started the same way and the story will be the same for the majority of addictive substances.

The sex drive is different. I'd bet that the majority of guys discovered masturbation completely on their own. They spontaneously becaome much more aware of their penises and instinctively started to touch and investigate and it went from there.

So when someone complains that addiction to masturbating prevents him from doing the other things he should be doing I think it is depression rather than addiction. Getting off, including by masturbating, is fun and, if he has too little motivation to do the normal things in life and doesn't find them to be fun, i.e. classic symptoms of depression, masturbation is probably the only thing he still finds pleasure in and the sex drive may be the only thing to break though his usual inactivity. So I agree with GoingOnABeoing that some help from a professional in the mental health field would be a better bet than trying to stop.
 
And that's fine. If they weren't claiming all sorts of things that amounts to nothing more than pseudoscience bs then I wouldn't have given it a second thought.

Honestly, you probably shouldn't give it a second or even a first thought. You don't need to believe what they believe, you don't even need to be aware of it.

If someone needs to believe something outlandish to help them stop an addiction then let them believe what they need to believe. It really doesn't affect you unless you seek out the information. You wouldn't care about this subject at all if you hadn't sought out the information on Reddit. But now that you have, don't you agree that if someone believed that quitting heroin would eventually give them magic powers then the benefit of quitting heroin would outweigh any negative impact of them believing that they would become magical?
 
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"No Nut November" is right around the corner. See Urban Dictionary.

Ive heard of NoFap. For some, it is serious issue, sex, porn masterbation addiction. Others, no fap could be a radical movement for a myriad of reasons.

Finally, not beating off for a period of time, month or year can be liberating. For instance, how do you show up in other areas of life when masterbation and porn has been taken off the docket? It can a spiritual experience for some. It is not about denying pleasure, but more of showing up differently.
 
"No Nut November" is right around the corner. See Urban Dictionary.

Ive heard of NoFap. For some, it is serious issue, sex, porn masterbation addiction. Others, no fap could be a radical movement for a myriad of reasons.

Finally, not beating off for a period of time, month or year can be liberating. For instance, how do you show up in other areas of life when masterbation and porn has been taken off the docket? It can a spiritual experience for some. It is not about denying pleasure, but more of showing up differently.

I do it before going to sleep. What sort of activity am I missing out on at that time of day? Ejaculation is healthy for the prostate as well. I would be afraid that letting it get backed up for a year would have a negative impact on your health. Growing up with my parents taking me to church it seemed there was always some elderly man with prostate cancer that they were praying for. Knowing how the church preaches any sexual pleasures as a sin you have to wonder if that sort of denial is what put them in that condition.

I agree with Acratopotes. An addiction to masterbation is a symptom of an underlying mental health issue. Professional care is needed in such a case.
 
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I do it before going to sleep. What sort of activity am I missing out on at that time of day? Ejaculation is healthy for the prostate as well. I would be afraid that letting it get backed up for a year would have a negative impact on your health. Growing up with my parents taking me to church it seemed there was always some elderly man with prostate cancer that they were praying for. Knowing how the church preaches any sexual pleasures as a sin you have to wonder if that sort of denial is what put them in that condition.

I agree with Acratopotes. An addiction to masterbation is a symptom of an underlying mental health issue. Professional care is needed in such a case.

Then no fap isn't for you. But for people who do have an addiction then abstinence might be the only way to stop the addiction. Just because it isn't necessary for you doesn't mean it isn't necessary for other people.

A lot of alcoholics can only get over their addiction by completely abstaining from alcohol. The same people (typically) don't call for all people to give up all alcohol, just like people in no fap aren't telling you to stop masturbating.

There is a lot of debate in the medical community about the validity of the idea that frequent ejaculation (not necessarily masturbation) actually prevents prostate cancer. It's still a relatively new idea and while there is some correlation, there is not enough information yet to show causation. And even if it is true, there is no definition of how much ejaculation is enough ejaculation to cause benefit.

All addiction is the result of a mental issue, whether its masturbation, nicotine, cocaine, caffeine, food, checking your stove over and over to make sure its turned off. A lot of people are able to cope with and resolve these issues without professional help. I used to be addicted to smoking cigarettes, I cured myself of that addiction without professional help. There are people who overcome food addictions and become healthy. There are examples of people overcoming all of these addictions without professional help, and one example is people who are addicted to masturbating forming a support group in which they all abstain from masturbation.

It's actually very similar to alcoholic anonymous, and AA is loaded with mysticism and spirituality while lacking actual professional help. However, it still works for some people. If no fap helps people with their addiction then why have a problem with it.
 
NoFap is like Lent for your dick. It's about abstaining from one thing to refocus on something else.

Well said. I think for a lot of guys NoFap is a personal challenge. They just want to see how long they can go without masturbating and watching porn. They find they have more time to focus on other areas of their life.
 
I just skimmed many of the REDDIT posts -wow.
Guys can get hung up on whether they masturbate too much. But for me it's not how many times you masturbate in a week (or day) that really matters. It's how it fits into your life.

If you masturbate many times a day and have a healthy, satisfying life, good for you. But if you masturbate many times a day and you're missing work or giving up on sex with your partner because of it, perhaps there is an underlying issue.

Even then, there's nothing specific about masturbation that's the problem. Compulsive masturbation is like any behavior that disrupts your life -- whether it's compulsively playing poker or checking your social media every other minute. Just my 2 cents. :)
 
Then no fap isn't for you. But for people who do have an addiction then abstinence might be the only way to stop the addiction. Just because it isn't necessary for you doesn't mean it isn't necessary for other people.

From what you say here I think you're working with a different definition of addiction to me. You seem to mean "something that someone finds it hard to stop doing". To me an addiction is something that, once started, alters the balance of chemicals in your brain such that it is then distressing to attempt to stop. You mentioned smoking tobacco and that is a case in point. Your brain adapts to the level of nicotine it is receiving. If you withdraw that nicotine it is now out of balance and objects, i.e. you get withdrawal symptoms. But, given time, the brain will adapt back again and thus abstinence can work.

The desire to cum regularly is not like smoking tobacco though because is doesn't come from putting a drug into your body from the outside. Instead it is caused by testosterone acting on your brain. That is something that happens in any male who has reached puberty and doesn't have deficient testosterone production and is very much a case of things working as they should.

As I said earlier, I believe that if masturbation is taking the place of other activities it is better to address why the person is avoiding those other activities and filling the time with masturbation, rather than blaming masturbation as the problem.

I am not saying people are not free to abstain from cumming if that's what they want to do. That's one area where I believe people should have the freedom to do exactly what they want, but that doesn't mean it is responsible to promote abstinence as something the population at large would find helpful.
 
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I think it comes down to the fact that whilst for most people masturbation is a normal and healthy part of their lives, for others it can be a source of untold distress particularly if it's done to excess and takes over like some form of addiction. From what I understand, the no-fap movement isn't about people saying masturbation is wrong or stopping it for good, so much as trying to reset their bodies so they can have a healthy relationship with the instinct to do it and get back in control of their lives.
 
From what you say here I think you're working with a different definition of addiction to me. You seem to mean "something that someone finds it hard to stop doing". To me an addiction is something that, once started, alters the balance of chemicals in your brain such that it is then distressing to attempt to stop. You mentioned smoking tobacco and that is a case in point. Your brain adapts to the level of nicotine it is receiving. If you withdraw that nicotine it is now out of balance and objects, i.e. you get withdrawal symptoms. But, given time, the brain will adapt back again and thus abstinence can work.

The desire to cum regularly is not like smoking tobacco though because is doesn't come from putting a drug into your body from the outside. Instead it is caused by testosterone acting on your brain. That is something that happens in any male who has reached puberty and doesn't have deficient testosterone production and is very much a case of things working as they should.

As I said earlier, I believe that if masturbation is taking the place of other activities it is better to address why the person is avoiding those other activities and filling the time with masturbation, rather than blaming masturbation as the problem.

I am not saying people are not free to abstain from cumming if that's what they want to do. That's one area where I believe people should have the freedom to do exactly what they want, but that doesn't mean it is responsible to promote abstinence as something the population at large would find helpful.


No, I'm working with the same definition as you. The problem is a lack of understanding of what happens in the brain when you satisfy a need like that.

When I smoked a cigarette it triggered a release of dopamine. When you have an orgasm it triggers a release of dopamine. When a heroin addict injects heroin it triggers a release of dopamine. When a food addict eats it triggers a release of dopamine.

It isn't in the same amount for all of these activities, and it isn't the only thing that is happening, but the release of dopamine is the cause of addiction, its how our brains give us a sense of reward. It's why you can see people addicted to something that seems repulsive to most people, its because their brain has been trained to release dopamine in that scenario. In the case of cigarettes, the addiction is not to the nicotine itself but the release of dopamine that the nicotine triggers.

Also, I'm not saying everyone involved in no fap is addicted to masturbation. All I am saying is that if you are addicted to a behavior, or its very difficult to stop and having a negative impact on your life, then telling yourself that not partaking in that activity benefits you in some way that it probably doesn't is less harmful than the addiction itself.

What I think actually is harmful is deriding people who are trying to overcome an addiction just because you don't like some aspect of it. Again, the heroin and magic example. If your friend was addicted to heroin but was able to trick themselves out of addiction through a belief that they would eventually develop magical powers, wouldn't it be less harmful to let them have that belief than it would be to shame them out of a belief and back into their addiction just because you think that belief is silly or that it wouldn't work for you?

If you think that people aren't addicted to masturbation and don't experience withdrawal then I would suggest that you read the OPs original post.

I had to abstain from jacking off and sex for over two months after I got circumcised as an adult. The only thing in my life that changed is how irritable I was during those two months.

I don't think he is addicted, but he describes the characteristics of someone going through withdrawal in his example. When I quit smoking I was irritable during the process as a result of the change, just like the OP.

My whole point is posting here is that the OP is being pretty calloused towards people who might have an addiction, and his only solution is for them to give up what is working for them and start taking medication. He doesn't recognize that while he might not be addicted to something, or might be less susceptible to addiction, that others don't experience something different. And dismissing the benefits that people experience from a supportive group is irresponsible.

I do not see anything stating that people involved in no fap are trying to promote this to the population in general. They may offer assistance to other people in situations similar to theirs, but I don't see any attempt to proselytize.

Here is an article from AddictionResource specifically regarding masturbation:

Masturbation Addiction: Psychology, Effects, Statistics and Treatment

You don't have to agree that masturbation addiction is a real thing, but the professionals do. Dismissing and insulting people who are trying to cope with an addiction to a behavior that is harmful to them is cruel, unnecessary, and doesn't really benefit anyone.

Then again, some people get their dopamine release from being cruel to others when it really isn't called for, and from the original post and the topic of this thread it is clear that this was just meant as an insult to people trying to cope with their problems.
 
Ok, when you go and compare sex and jacking off to smoking, alcohol, and drugs it's obvious there is no point in continuing the conversation. Anyone used to a regular and healthy sex life is going to be upset if they have to abstain from it for an extended period. And it isn't a harmful thing like excessive alcohol or drug abuse. Sexual stimulation was made to feel good. If it felt bad mentally or physically then the Earth would be severely underpopulated because no one would want to engage in it to reproduce.

People can do whatever they want. But the idea is harmful to impressionable young people who follow cancerous douchebags like Aaron Marino on social media. That's where I first heard of no-fap. He has hundreds of thousands of followers and has told them that masterbation makes you a weak man. He should look in the mirror. He pumps himself full of all kinds of chemicals and his body is probably made up of more silicone and plastic than actual skin. Have a look at his criminal history as well. But he is peddling his nonsense and his products to young people looking for guidance. They are comparing themselves to him and if they don't fit in his mold then they think they are inadequate. It's quite sad reading the comments on his videos.
 
Ok, when you go and compare sex and jacking off to smoking, alcohol, and drugs it's obvious there is no point in continuing the conversation. Anyone used to a regular and healthy sex life is going to be upset if they have to abstain from it for an extended period. And it isn't a harmful thing like excessive alcohol or drug abuse. Sexual stimulation was made to feel good. If it felt bad mentally or physically then the Earth would be severely underpopulated because no one would want to engage in it to reproduce.

People can do whatever they want. But the idea is harmful to impressionable young people who follow cancerous douchebags like Aaron Marino on social media. That's where I first heard of no-fap. He has hundreds of thousands of followers and has told them that masterbation makes you a weak man. He should look in the mirror. He pumps himself full of all kinds of chemicals and his body is probably made up of more silicone and plastic than actual skin. Have a look at his criminal history as well. But he is peddling his nonsense and his products to young people looking for guidance. They are comparing themselves to him and if they don't fit in his mold then they think they are inadequate. It's quite sad reading the comments on his videos.


I don't know who that person is and I don't see them mentioned on what you linked to.

I'm not comparing sex, masturbation, or a healthy sex life to an addiction to smoking, alcohol, or drugs. I also wouldn't compare addictions to sex or masturbation, neither of which would full under a healthy sex life, to the use of tobacco, alcohol, or drugs that is not representative of addiction.

Sex addiction and masturbation addiction are real things and they are harmful to the people who experience them. If you felt compelled to masturbate with a frequency that interrupts your ability to live a normal life, then yes, that can be as harmful as other addictions. I included a link that backs this up. But you seem to feel the need to make childish attacks against people who are just trying to improve their lives through the support of other people with similar problems.

Abstaining from masturbation and following whoever Aaron Marino is are not the same thing. If you want to criticize Aaron Marino then do that, but don't make attacks against people who are just trying to improve their lives.

Again, you don't have to look into things that you don't agree with or that you think are nonsense. You couldn't ignore it, move on with your life, and be happier without presenting yourself as someone who can't keep their nose out of other peoples business at the expense of those people.

Please let us all know when no fap has taken over and the human population is at risk.
 
I'm not comparing sex, masturbation, or a healthy sex life to an addiction to smoking, alcohol, or drugs...

To be fair it was me who introduced the comparison, but then you went on to say that there is a common mechanism to all addiction in dopamine levels.

I'm still sceptical that the issue with too much masturbation is that masturbation draws someone's attention away from the other things they should be doing even if it may seem like it at first. I still think it is the other way around, that people who find little pleasure in the other things in life are likely to indulge more in the one thing they still find to be fun. That means the best route out would not be to abstain from that one thing but to work out why the other things are not fun and fix that. I didn't suggest just taking antidepressants. Unless there is something structurally wrong with someone's brain that just seems like a kind of papering over the cracks.

Even so I have no objection to people trying abstinence and if it works for them, great. The problem with a little white lie to help with compliance isn't with the person trying to abstain, though, but when it is published on the Internet for the public at large to read and is presented as fact where it will be picked up by those who have no problem with masturbating to excess and cause them unnecessary concern. Sexually activity for fun in general, and even more so masturbation, have been demonised over the years, primarily by religion but also by scientists who had a more primitive understanding than we have now.

We have had people misinterpret the story of onan and have us believe that a god could be responsible for designing a reproductive system that is wasteful in that millions of sperm are ejaculated to create one baby even when we successfully impregnate a woman but would then get upset because we choose to ejaculate and not create a baby, whether by using contraception or by masturbation.

We've has scientists observe people in mental institutions masturbating and conclude that it must be doing that that caused them to become patients in the first place whereas we now know what was observed was a combination of boredom and lack of inhibition. The only difference between those asylum patients and normal people is that normal people do it in private.

So many of us want to break away from that past and in particular to have young people unafraid to enjoy themselves, thus we are wary of anything that could act to, or even be an attempt to, turn the clock back.
 
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