Canadian MPs vote to not revisit same-sex marriage issue

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  1. rob_just_rob

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    globeandmail.com: House votes not to reopen same-sex marriage issue

    Putting aside all the politicking behind this motion, I'm glad this issue has been finally put to rest (...sort of - see bolded text above). Bigots like McVety are on their way out, thankfully.
     
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    Canada rox.
     
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    One of the great things about this is that time is on our side. The longer that same-sex marriage rights are the status quo, the harder it will be for the bigots to argue that the sky will fall if men are allowed to marry men and women are allowed to marry women.

    People in Canada are already more accepting of same-sex marriages than they were a single year ago! Another decade, and they'll be taken for granted the way heterosexual marriages are. :smile:

    And maybe, just maybe, observers in other countries will see that the sky didn't fall in Canada, and be able to use that argument in getting the necessary legislation passed in their own countries.
     
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    The motion may have passed to continue with gay marriage but it wasn't the free vote promised since the bloc and NDP "whipped" their members making it not really a free vote. If the bloc and NDP had not forced their members to vote the party line it would have been more legit.
    I would bet that if the members had voted on a secret ballot it would never pass. However, an election is forthcomming probably in the spring or summer and MP's are already concerned more about being re-elected than voting what the real silent majority wants and are catering more to the vocal minortiy that get the press.
     
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    But the result would have been the same - the NDP and Bloc would largely have voted against the bill anyway.

    It will be amusing to see the bigots try to pretend that 25 votes from the NDP and Bloc would go the other way in a free vote, when both the Bloc and NDP are strongly for SSM (albeit with different reasons for their respective stances).

    You do realize that the key feature of parliamentary systems is that all votes are public (as in, not secret), right? A secret polling of MPs is about as feasible an event as Chuckles McVety being named Ayatollah of Canada.

    The "real silent majority" that conveniently never gets polled by Ipsos-Reid or the major newspapers? The "majority" that insists that most Canadians are opposed to SSM, when all recent polls indicate the opposite?

    Yeah, right.:rolleyes:
     
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    Sounds like *somebody* has some anti-gay bias?

    I ask you, Miss Bigdick, what damage does gay marriage do to this "silent majority"?
     
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    It damages their fragile heterosexual psyches. See, as long as they can pretend that comething is wrong with gay ___________, they can continue to repress themselves. The more they have to accpet that we are as normal as they are, the less comfortable they can feel in thier own skin.

    Sad.

    Go Canada.
     
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    Canada is a great place. People need to understand that Canada is ahead of alot of other places (cough*The US*). Especially when it comes to this particular situation.

    I am not really sure where you get your information, Lovebigdick. From what I know( with friends in 2 of the parties), there is no "whipping" involved. The vote was the choice. End of story. Why not climb back under your bridge and dream of attractive homosexual men.:rolleyes:

    BTW, I am confused. You are a "male", you dislike homosexual marriage, and you claim to love big dick. I am rather confused.
     
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    Uhm... pardon me, but, isn't "repression" usually considered to be damaging? Especially in cases where one is repressing one's self, right? So, wouldn't that mean that NOT having gay marriage is more damaging to the str8s than HAVING gay marriage?

    (Good gods i hate when logic gets in the way!)
     
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    If they're knee-jerking again then bugger `em. They shouldn't be armed with logic lest they shoot themselves in the foot.
     
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    A closeminded friend of mine was bitching about how he didn't think tax dollars should go toward gay marriage!? When it was explained to him that tax dollars don't pay for het marriages either and that the only waste of funds was paying for politicians to sit around trying to debate the issue he ran out of steam.

    Another friend of mine, much more intelligent, entrenched himself with the naysayers with his own protest that a law about gay marriage shouldn't be passed. He felt that gay couples should not be forced to marry(heavily tongue in cheek). When the naysayers said that it wasn't mandatory he would assume a look of relief and say "So what's the problem then?"
     
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    OOOOOOohhh! I like this!!! I shall have to use this one in the future! Thank you muchly Gillette!! *smooches*
     
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    For those of you unfamiliar with the Canadian political scene, there was a fair bit of irony in the background to this motion. The current "Tory"* minority government promised to have a free vote on reopening the same-sex marriage issue in the last election campaign. This was a sop to their social-conservative grassroots supporters (I'm sure those of you in the USA are familiar with the type), but it was also a big red warning sign to the centrist majority in Canada. Many MPs in the current government have expressed interest in not only repealing same-sex marriage rights, but also in criminalizing abortion and generally turning the clock back to the 1950s. So, there is a school of thought that while Harper was bringing the motion forward to revisit the same-sex marriage issue, he was secretly hoping the motion would fail, because he doesn't want a long, divisive debate over social conservative issues which would alarm the electorate and possibly kill his chances in the next election (which will almost certainly happen in 2007).

    So in a nutshell, nobody's shedding any tears over the failure of this motion other than the hardcore social conservatives, who are a fairly small minority here.

    The further irony is that any attempt to constrain marriage rights, directly or indirectly, would almost certainly be brought before the courts and struck down as unconstitutional. And getting around the Supreme Court would require steps that no federal government here is willing to take. So even if the motion had passed, and even if following a bitter debate, same-sex marriage was prohibited again, any law to that effect would be struck from the books within weeks anyway. So the "Tory"* government wouldn't waste the effort.



    *I use the word "Tory" in quotes because the current Conservative Party of Canada isn't the same animal as the defunct Progressive Conservative Party (the Tories). The former is a lot more conservative than the latter.
     
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    So, when is Canada going to annex Delaware?
     
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    The anschluss is being drafted as we speak. :tongue:
     
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    Eww, I vote No on Delaware.:tongue:
    I need a bribe.
     
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    *whispers in Jeff's ear*

    how about if i give you a blow job, bopperbaste with you a bit, bear your child, and call you 'your highness'?


    What do you think?
     
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    I'll have to run it by the Committee when we meet in a few days.:rolleyes:
     
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    I have long wished Alaska could secede from the US and join the only civilised country on the continent. We have BC's coastline, would that be enough of a sweetener?

    At the revolution the loyalists (after being tarred and feathered and dispossesed) went to Canada, the indians who were driven off their lands and hunted down went to Canada, during the vietnam war young men who refused to be made to kill other young men went to Canada, in the last few years many gays are moving to Canada, where they can live permanently with a lover who is from a third country.

    If the US had a parlaimentary system, We wouldn't have to suffer 2 more years of the person who is the greatest embarrassment in the countries history. Nancy Pelosi would be the head of government.

    Alaska's supreme court last December, as the result of an ACLU case, ordered the state, and other government employers to offer domestic partner benefits to same sex couples. (the university system has had it since 1995) The state is still heel dragging, (the city and school district have complied) the legislature recently wasted a quarter million on a special secession called specifically to try to avoid it. That is probably more than the cost of the program for many years.

    With a secret ballot, a person can and does vote prejudice they cannot rationally justify. A judge has to present a reasoned argument. Our judges are more professional than our legislators.
     
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    (I don't see the 'edit my own post option' for some reason)

    I left out the africans who went to Canada to escape slavery in the US.
     
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