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Can't "100% str8" guys be just a little gay?
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If I'm 6'3", and meet another guy who's 6'4". Does that mean I'm not 100% tall?
I have a high IQ, but I've done countless stupid things in my life. Does this mean I'm not a smart guy?
I have two passports. But that doesn't mean that I'm only a 50% citizen of each country? Nope. Each country considers me 100% a citizen.
I sleep most nights in Manhattan. For tax purposes, the city calls me a New Yorker. Do I consider myself a New Yorker? Those arrogant, self-absorbed, self-important, too-cool-to-fart stuffed shirts? Hell no.
I like labels; they're useful. But they're only ever approximate. And generally serve quite a limited purpose. Labels classify you, they don't define you.
Within the box labelled "gay", in which I happily toss myself, I expect to find a great diversity of people with quite distinct sexual tastes. Some of them may have a history with women, including me. Or chimpanzees. Or garden vegetables, for all I care.
But if I want my property to pass on to my partner when I die, I will need to associate with "gay" people, lobby for "gay" marriage, fight for "gay" rights, and work to make sure the label "gay", which I need to wear for a distinct reason, loses its stigma. For his purpose, I'm goddamn gay. The judge ain't gonna look at my LPSG profile and say, OK, he's ten percent straight, he can get hitched.
Lex swings both ways, handily. If he wants to get his rocks off with a guy, does he go to a married bisexual bar? I bet he goes to a gay bar, because frankly, for that night, the gay bit is the defining part of his sexual character. Wear the label. Be gay for a day. He might hook up with a gay guy, a bisexual guy, a straight-but-experimenting-guy, a guy on the down-low, a drunken bridegroom, whatever. Lex will find him in a gay bar. Useful label for a common cause, even if not 100% accurate.
The %age system in LPSG profiles isn't perfect. But I find it useful. When reading a post, it helps to know (very approximately) where the poster's head is at.
People who cling to labels to give themselves an identity, really need to work on their self esteem.
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I have a high IQ, but I've done countless stupid things in my life. Does this mean I'm not a smart guy?
I have two passports. But that doesn't mean that I'm only a 50% citizen of each country? Nope. Each country considers me 100% a citizen.
I sleep most nights in Manhattan. For tax purposes, the city calls me a New Yorker. Do I consider myself a New Yorker? Those arrogant, self-absorbed, self-important, too-cool-to-fart stuffed shirts? Hell no.
I like labels; they're useful. But they're only ever approximate. And generally serve quite a limited purpose. Labels classify you, they don't define you.
Within the box labelled "gay", in which I happily toss myself, I expect to find a great diversity of people with quite distinct sexual tastes. Some of them may have a history with women, including me. Or chimpanzees. Or garden vegetables, for all I care.
But if I want my property to pass on to my partner when I die, I will need to associate with "gay" people, lobby for "gay" marriage, fight for "gay" rights, and work to make sure the label "gay", which I need to wear for a distinct reason, loses its stigma. For his purpose, I'm goddamn gay. The judge ain't gonna look at my LPSG profile and say, OK, he's ten percent straight, he can get hitched.
Lex swings both ways, handily. If he wants to get his rocks off with a guy, does he go to a married bisexual bar? I bet he goes to a gay bar, because frankly, for that night, the gay bit is the defining part of his sexual character. Wear the label. Be gay for a day. He might hook up with a gay guy, a bisexual guy, a straight-but-experimenting-guy, a guy on the down-low, a drunken bridegroom, whatever. Lex will find him in a gay bar. Useful label for a common cause, even if not 100% accurate.
The %age system in LPSG profiles isn't perfect. But I find it useful. When reading a post, it helps to know (very approximately) where the poster's head is at.
People who cling to labels to give themselves an identity, really need to work on their self esteem.
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Well here's my stance:
I'm 100% straight, never done anything with another man, and I have no sexual attraction to them.
I am a gym nut always improving my physique, so I do look at pictures of bodybuilders or look at the arms of a buff guy at the gym, not like "OMG that's hot" lol. It's just comparisson, and to see what results can be obtained and what my goals should be. No sense of arousal comes from it, unlike checkin out a fine booty on a woman.
As for the penis thing, all guys gay or straight compare dicks I think. I never think "oh man I want to blow that guy" it's just like "oh yeah im bigger" or something.
But even as a straight guy I'd definitley admit that watching porn with a big normal looking dick is much better than watching an ugly 5 inch trying to pleasure a woman. I think whats best about seeing a big dick in porn is knowing that the girl is getting it, and how great she'll probably feel.
Forgot to add: as for telling if other guys are good looking or not, I have no clue. Some movie actors I can see why they're probably good looking but 90% of the time the guys that girls think are hot, I would have assumed were considered ugly.
I'm 100% straight, never done anything with another man, and I have no sexual attraction to them.
I am a gym nut always improving my physique, so I do look at pictures of bodybuilders or look at the arms of a buff guy at the gym, not like "OMG that's hot" lol. It's just comparisson, and to see what results can be obtained and what my goals should be. No sense of arousal comes from it, unlike checkin out a fine booty on a woman.
As for the penis thing, all guys gay or straight compare dicks I think. I never think "oh man I want to blow that guy" it's just like "oh yeah im bigger" or something.
But even as a straight guy I'd definitley admit that watching porn with a big normal looking dick is much better than watching an ugly 5 inch trying to pleasure a woman. I think whats best about seeing a big dick in porn is knowing that the girl is getting it, and how great she'll probably feel.
Forgot to add: as for telling if other guys are good looking or not, I have no clue. Some movie actors I can see why they're probably good looking but 90% of the time the guys that girls think are hot, I would have assumed were considered ugly.
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headbang8 said:
yes, this is actually true. doing stupid things is a telltale sign of un-smartitude.
My face is the only thing thats been verified, i'm not going to post a picture of my cock on here, thats for me and the girlfriend only
I did get some good information thankyou, it was very useful.
Discrimination can happen whenever a person feels negativity towards them because they are in a minority or because of another person's views towards them and their group.
I did get some good information thankyou, it was very useful.
Discrimination can happen whenever a person feels negativity towards them because they are in a minority or because of another person's views towards them and their group.
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This is a difficult post to answer as someone who considers himself 100% straight. I feel like I'm defending my own identity and that it will instantly attract "oh you're just trying to prove it to yourself" type comments, when in reality if the day comes when I suddenly find myself being turned on by thoughts of sex with men I'd happily shrug my shoulders and carry on as I always do- as someone who is happy to be the person I am.
Lex, I don't find this site to be especially gay at all, despite the large amount of openly gay or bisexual people who visit here. I think the nature of this site invites people from all walks of life, says "ok so you have/you like/your partner has [a] big cock, what else you got?". The penis aspect attracts the people, the faces behind the penises, the intelligent people such as yourself keep them here. When I was told about it I thought it must just be a stupid novelty site, how wrong I was. I didn't think for a moment about the guys who it really does cause problems for, but that's human nature isn't it? Seeing things through your own eyes, judging from your own feelings and experiences. It's not hard to see why some of the guys here can't accept that not everyone has a gay element to thier personality.
I come here because the people are intelligent on the whole and that's very rare online (and in real life). I mostly find myself reading the 'et cetera' section because I find some of the debates, discussions and people very interesting. In another thread along similar lines a couple of months ago I remember a guy who classed himself as 100% gay commenting that when he looks at a woman he doesn't see anything that arouses him, when he sees pussy it's purely in a cold and clinical light. I have to say that when I looked through the gallery when I first joined here it was in the same manner.
I also take slight offence to the suggestion that feeling revulsion at the thought of sex with another man is inflamatory. It is absolutely not and to say it is denies the person who feels revulsion any further part in a conversation where they could add something worth opening your ears and eyes to. To put it simply, the thought of kissing another man romantically/ sexually makes me go "eww". Does that mean I am bigoted? I dare you to say yes. Why do I feel it? I have no idea, I just do. Social conditioning perhaps, or maybe I just haven't seen a man I'd like to kiss just yet. (Please, for the love of god, note I'm talking about ME kissing a man, not any of you, it's not meant to be offensive it's just showing you what I see through my eyes and mine only).
Again, Lex, I hope your reply to Funkalicious' original post was a gut reaction and not a considered retort. His comment was flippant but not without cause- to repeat myself a little I'm finding this post very difficult to write, to word correctly and that's mainly because I want to avoid having to tell people "no, I'm really NOT covering anything up". It's a route that threads like this seem to head down more often than not, sometimes justifiably, but it's road that we don't need to cover again. I read your posts with interest and find that you are on point in the vast majority of the things you say. It would be a shame for you to dismiss someone's grievance like that so quickly, however poorly they articulate it.
And to the poster who thinks that being straight and white means that you're never discriminated against- try having everyone that you meet thinking you're far more stupid than you really are just because of your accent. There's a whole heap of things that people from all sides come up against every day and your comments leave a foul taste in my mouth.
Lex, I don't find this site to be especially gay at all, despite the large amount of openly gay or bisexual people who visit here. I think the nature of this site invites people from all walks of life, says "ok so you have/you like/your partner has [a] big cock
I come here because the people are intelligent on the whole and that's very rare online (and in real life). I mostly find myself reading the 'et cetera' section because I find some of the debates, discussions and people very interesting. In another thread along similar lines a couple of months ago I remember a guy who classed himself as 100% gay commenting that when he looks at a woman he doesn't see anything that arouses him, when he sees pussy it's purely in a cold and clinical light. I have to say that when I looked through the gallery when I first joined here it was in the same manner.
I also take slight offence to the suggestion that feeling revulsion at the thought of sex with another man is inflamatory. It is absolutely not and to say it is denies the person who feels revulsion any further part in a conversation where they could add something worth opening your ears and eyes to. To put it simply, the thought of kissing another man romantically/ sexually makes me go "eww". Does that mean I am bigoted? I dare you to say yes. Why do I feel it? I have no idea, I just do. Social conditioning perhaps, or maybe I just haven't seen a man I'd like to kiss just yet. (Please, for the love of god, note I'm talking about ME kissing a man, not any of you, it's not meant to be offensive it's just showing you what I see through my eyes and mine only).
Again, Lex, I hope your reply to Funkalicious' original post was a gut reaction and not a considered retort. His comment was flippant but not without cause- to repeat myself a little I'm finding this post very difficult to write, to word correctly and that's mainly because I want to avoid having to tell people "no, I'm really NOT covering anything up". It's a route that threads like this seem to head down more often than not, sometimes justifiably, but it's road that we don't need to cover again. I read your posts with interest and find that you are on point in the vast majority of the things you say. It would be a shame for you to dismiss someone's grievance like that so quickly, however poorly they articulate it.
And to the poster who thinks that being straight and white means that you're never discriminated against- try having everyone that you meet thinking you're far more stupid than you really are just because of your accent. There's a whole heap of things that people from all sides come up against every day and your comments leave a foul taste in my mouth.
Ha ha! You stupid!
Sorry Poppa, just teasing, I don't know (or fundamentally care) what you sound like. If you're American, the voice rules. Full stop. (Well unless your surname is Bush anyway).
I'm a self centered chronically introverted git in as far as sexual attitude goes. I am revolted by gay sex (not the concept, but it's like a puke fetish...not for me) and male bodies are NOT a nice thing for the most part. Okay, maybe LEX is an exception. Because he works out and is the only black man who EVER looks good in leather bondage without looking like a slave. "Yo I'm the master now, beeyatch!" Strength and form I do admire, but I do admire strength and health in people as a whole.
Of course, I reckon my own self is the shiznit and me and a camera have become close friends, it's almost closet exhibitionism, but heck, that's as far as my gay side really goes significantly, although some penises are cool to look at, but having sex with it? BLARGH!
I love boobies too much and wanna see Naughty naked! :biggrin1:
Sorry Poppa, just teasing, I don't know (or fundamentally care) what you sound like. If you're American, the voice rules. Full stop. (Well unless your surname is Bush anyway).
I'm a self centered chronically introverted git in as far as sexual attitude goes. I am revolted by gay sex (not the concept, but it's like a puke fetish...not for me) and male bodies are NOT a nice thing for the most part. Okay, maybe LEX is an exception. Because he works out and is the only black man who EVER looks good in leather bondage without looking like a slave. "Yo I'm the master now, beeyatch!" Strength and form I do admire, but I do admire strength and health in people as a whole.
Of course, I reckon my own self is the shiznit and me and a camera have become close friends, it's almost closet exhibitionism, but heck, that's as far as my gay side really goes significantly, although some penises are cool to look at, but having sex with it? BLARGH!
I love boobies too much and wanna see Naughty naked! :biggrin1:
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ORCABOMBER said:
If you're somewhere in London the chances are I was born and raised within 20 or 30 miles of where you're sitting.
Unless that's London Ontario. Then I'm about 5000 miles away.
Why does this issue constantly come up? Why can't people just let a person be who they think they are and go on with it? What twist in the brain keeps this going?
Personally, I like sex with one certain man more than you can measure. He's me. Secondly I like sex with women, so I guess that makes me lesbian. So I'm a heterosexual gay lesbian man. There, did I cover everybody?
Personally, I like sex with one certain man more than you can measure. He's me. Secondly I like sex with women, so I guess that makes me lesbian. So I'm a heterosexual gay lesbian man. There, did I cover everybody?
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On this topic, I am much more of a mind along the lines of Alex8 and Matthew. That being said, I fully admit to being inflammatory and attacking in my very immediate response to Funkalicious. I think that topics that explore orientation (and all that it entails) and the reflection of such (labels, percentages) are exceptional topics and deserve much more than a "oh, here come all the gay dudes to gayfiy us again."
Funkalicious can not know that I have spent years on this site, exploring and uncovering my own orientation (from 100% straight to 50/50 to here and now). When I got here, I had never had a male-male experience and was a married father of two--how gay could I be, right? Right. These percentages mean different things to different people and have no system of rules and that causes dissonance.
BigPoppa being 100% straight and Hickboy being 99% straight means different things to each of you. Neither has sex with men, but both are open-minded. For HickBoy, he represents that with his 1% gay. Big Poppa does that through his thoughtful posting patterns. Both ways are greatly appreciated. I don't think that either of you (or anyone) should have to feel as if they must "defend" their orientation--it is what it is and it is what you say it is as you are comfortable to say so.
What makes this place so awesome is the opportunity we, each of us, have to learn from each other through open, honest, and sometimes painful dialogue. We discuss verything from lust, to sexual abuse, to racial tensions to homophobia and back to lust again. During these discussion, each of us will, at some point, feel as if we have been caled to the witness stand. Imagine if I got defensive everytime someone asked a question that probed into the African American experience in America.
In the end, I woud rather discuss these things than have people assume. And part of that discussion would mean being able to stand in the spotlight while someone questions your percentages (or your post) -- Thanks, BigPoppaFury.
Funkalicious can not know that I have spent years on this site, exploring and uncovering my own orientation (from 100% straight to 50/50 to here and now). When I got here, I had never had a male-male experience and was a married father of two--how gay could I be, right? Right. These percentages mean different things to different people and have no system of rules and that causes dissonance.
BigPoppa being 100% straight and Hickboy being 99% straight means different things to each of you. Neither has sex with men, but both are open-minded. For HickBoy, he represents that with his 1% gay. Big Poppa does that through his thoughtful posting patterns. Both ways are greatly appreciated. I don't think that either of you (or anyone) should have to feel as if they must "defend" their orientation--it is what it is and it is what you say it is as you are comfortable to say so.
What makes this place so awesome is the opportunity we, each of us, have to learn from each other through open, honest, and sometimes painful dialogue. We discuss verything from lust, to sexual abuse, to racial tensions to homophobia and back to lust again. During these discussion, each of us will, at some point, feel as if we have been caled to the witness stand. Imagine if I got defensive everytime someone asked a question that probed into the African American experience in America.
In the end, I woud rather discuss these things than have people assume. And part of that discussion would mean being able to stand in the spotlight while someone questions your percentages (or your post) -- Thanks, BigPoppaFury.
I do think your right Lex, topics such as this may need to be explored, however I think their wording should be chosen with care as it is very easy to cause offence.
I would find it hard to believe that noone would feel that they have to justify themselves if I (for example) started a topic titled "Cant 100% gay guys just be a little straight?" and talk about looking at breasts and wanting to feel a nice pussy now and then (sorry for making that sound derogatory).
Yet again I reiterate, by all means have an epistemological discussion about these subjective issues, but also be mindful of how others may feel in your wording.
I would find it hard to believe that noone would feel that they have to justify themselves if I (for example) started a topic titled "Cant 100% gay guys just be a little straight?" and talk about looking at breasts and wanting to feel a nice pussy now and then (sorry for making that sound derogatory).
Yet again I reiterate, by all means have an epistemological discussion about these subjective issues, but also be mindful of how others may feel in your wording.
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I too was married and had a child. I had two more relationships with women, not because I wanted to or was attracted to them but because I was afraid of the alternative. Did I enjoy sex with women? No. But I was able to perform in order to please them. That's where the 10% straight comes in and thinking about it now is probably not really the case. I guess I "chose" to be straight for a short period of my life.....well, more than half of it unfortunately. I think this is the only time I can believe that someone has a choice in their sexuality. You can "choose" to be someone you are not, I don't believe you can "choose" to be who you really are.
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To me, it is very 'straight' :wink: and simple: I am sexually attracted to women, not men, so I am straight. I have no sexual attraction to men; I am not in the least bit curious about trying sex with a guy; so I am 100% straight. The vast majority of people I know are 100 percenters, whether they are straight or gay/lesbian.
Got that straight?:biggrin1:
Got that straight?:biggrin1:
You know, I don't care if someone is revolted by the thought of being sexually intimate with someone of the same gender (or opposite gender--or transgender, for that matter). That's what they feel. They know by that feeling of revulsion that that form of sexuality is not for them. So what?
I just don't want someone to project that feeling onto me and thereby try to limit what I think feels good (applies to consenting adults only, people!). That "eww" reaction shouldn't spill over into decisions made about human rights.
*quickly steps around gay marriage soapbox; saves it for a later thread*
Speaking as a gay man, I'm not sure what the original poster was trying to do. And I know for damned sure I'd be pissed if some straight person tried to tell me that I was hiding my heterosexual inclinations and if I could only get myself drunk and into some luscious woman's wonderful wet vagina, I'd end up being at least partially heterosexual and therefore no longer hiding what I "really wanted."
So yeah, I understand why a lot of straight guys who really are 100% straight are pissed at those of us gay guys who play out our fantasies of making it with a straight guy by asking questions like these: "Are you sure you wouldn't like it? Have you tried it? Don't you think it would feel/taste good? Maybe you need just one good experience...." And so on.
I think what gets me are the game players. The flirts. The cockteasers of either gender or orientation. The guys who say "I'm straight" after enjoying real intimacy and affection with another guy, maybe even a relationship, but who feel so constrained by societal pressures that they can't be honest even with themselves regarding what they really want.
Were those the guys you were talking about, BIGdkluver, when you started this thread? The guys who piss us gay men off because they're not honest with themselves or others about who they really are yet gain all the benefits of full U.S. citizenship because they identify outwardly as 100% heterosexual? Because if you are, this becomes a different issue--one of honesty and accurate self-representation, not "100% straight"-ness.
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I just don't want someone to project that feeling onto me and thereby try to limit what I think feels good (applies to consenting adults only, people!). That "eww" reaction shouldn't spill over into decisions made about human rights.
*quickly steps around gay marriage soapbox; saves it for a later thread*
Speaking as a gay man, I'm not sure what the original poster was trying to do. And I know for damned sure I'd be pissed if some straight person tried to tell me that I was hiding my heterosexual inclinations and if I could only get myself drunk and into some luscious woman's wonderful wet vagina, I'd end up being at least partially heterosexual and therefore no longer hiding what I "really wanted."
So yeah, I understand why a lot of straight guys who really are 100% straight are pissed at those of us gay guys who play out our fantasies of making it with a straight guy by asking questions like these: "Are you sure you wouldn't like it? Have you tried it? Don't you think it would feel/taste good? Maybe you need just one good experience...." And so on.
I think what gets me are the game players. The flirts. The cockteasers of either gender or orientation. The guys who say "I'm straight" after enjoying real intimacy and affection with another guy, maybe even a relationship, but who feel so constrained by societal pressures that they can't be honest even with themselves regarding what they really want.
Were those the guys you were talking about, BIGdkluver, when you started this thread? The guys who piss us gay men off because they're not honest with themselves or others about who they really are yet gain all the benefits of full U.S. citizenship because they identify outwardly as 100% heterosexual? Because if you are, this becomes a different issue--one of honesty and accurate self-representation, not "100% straight"-ness.
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Oh yeah a Hot naked guy, there is nothing better.
Even a not hot guy with a huge dick does it for me.
This post in itself looks a little stupid, but it was in response to someone who asked if a gay guys REALLY get turned on by naked guys.
Of course we do.
(I'm new here and trying to figure this posting thing out.)
Even a not hot guy with a huge dick does it for me.
This post in itself looks a little stupid, but it was in response to someone who asked if a gay guys REALLY get turned on by naked guys.
Of course we do.
(I'm new here and trying to figure this posting thing out.)
I don't have much time, so I'll try to be quick about it...
I've heard that one of my ex's gay friends said about me, "He's so nice, so sweet, and soooooo straight."
I've had plenty of opportunities to explore gay sex, but have never felt like pursuing it.
I don't need to see another guy's cock in porn; when I do, I imagine that it's really me on that screen. Same thing if I'm perusing online stores for skimpy male swimwear.
I can't imagine engaging in a MFM threesome. Even the idea starts to make me flaccid.
I figure that I'm lucky I'm not turned off by my own cock and can still masturbate.
I don't mind at all that other people have gay sex; it's just not for me.
I've heard that one of my ex's gay friends said about me, "He's so nice, so sweet, and soooooo straight."
I've had plenty of opportunities to explore gay sex, but have never felt like pursuing it.
I don't need to see another guy's cock in porn; when I do, I imagine that it's really me on that screen. Same thing if I'm perusing online stores for skimpy male swimwear.
I can't imagine engaging in a MFM threesome. Even the idea starts to make me flaccid.
I figure that I'm lucky I'm not turned off by my own cock and can still masturbate.
I don't mind at all that other people have gay sex; it's just not for me.
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