Capitalism: A Love Story

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  1. D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse

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    This is the new Michael Moore documentary. I know locally in my area (southern CA) the release date is Sept. 23, but I also see an Oct. 2 release date. So maybe a few big cities are getting the film before it rolls out nationwide.


    Needless to say, I am a big Michael Moore fan. I don't even care if he slightly smudges a couple facts here or there - or is ideologically biased. The fact is: Moore is practically the only guy out there who is commenting on the BIG STORIES of our day, the important issues, in his medium, in documentaries. There are "little" thinkers, and then there are the guys who think across oceans, on a huge canvas.



    In "Capitalism: A Love Story", we get all the touchstones from last summer and fall: Goldman Sachs, AIG, Wall Street bailouts, bankruptcies, Tarp, Lehman Brothers, Henry Paulson, unbacked credit default swaps, the financial meltdown in real time as Moore has his cameras fixed on Capitol Hill (the financial meltdown officially occurred between 2007-2009, but Moore gets all the congressional dealmaking and power-plays during last summer/fall. We see Moore asking congressmen and others around the capitol, "Can you tell me what a credit default swap is?", "Can you explain a derivative to me?" - as the Bush administration scrambles to put together a multi-hundred-billion dollar bailout of the financial institutions).


    I went to both "Fahrenheit 9/11" and "Sicko" with a heightened sense of reality, of being in the moment. The theater experience is more alive at a Michael Moore film. Coffee tastes better before these movies. Moore's movies are nothing if not beautifully relevant. The preliminary reviews of "Capitalism: A Love Story" suggest that it is Moore's best film to date.



    So enjoy, everyone.

    l'chaim


    YouTube - CAPITALISM: A LOVE STORY - TRAILER
     
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  2. D_Joseba_Guntertwat

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    I like Michael Moore's previous films, you're right that he looks at relevant issues with an irreverent angle, even though he rarely gets beyond the stage of attacking the obvious targets. In this trailer he's just shouting a few questions at people who are trying to ignore him. And it seems he's trying to blame the cliched "greedy bankers" for the current economic crisis. Of course some bankers/banks are at fault, but it's not useful to lump them all together.
    Also by choosing that title for his film he seems to be blaming the capitalist system itself, rather than the failure of some banks to regulate themselves. Is he somehow suggesting that under an alternative system (communism?) we wouldn't have a banking crisis because we would all be poor and happy ;)
    Still I'm looking forward to the film anyway.
     
  3. eurotop40

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    I remember when I was living in NYC and used to take the F train to Queens. I was reading "Stupid white men" with great interest and many African Americans were looking at me in a slightly strange way...
     
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    I love Michael Moore! I went to see Inglorious Basterds (which was great, btw) and saw the preview for Capitalism: A Love Story....defo going to see this when it comes out. Loved Roger & Me, Bowling for Columbine, and Fahrenheit 9/11 (didn't see Sicko)
     
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    I view Michael Moore a lot like I view Keith Olbermann: I generally agree with him, but I find him annoying. That being said, I've seen two of his movies. I liked Sicko, and I wan't able to finish Bowling for Columbine. In the latter, he seemed to have something of a confused message. Alternately stressing that it's our society that's fucked up and generally causes violence, as opposed to widespread gun ownership, and his anti-firearm views just led me to be annoyed at his constant self-
    (semi-)contradiction.
     
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    Socialism keeps bailing out failed capitalism beacuse we have oligarchy not democracy. Capitalism was based on free trade, now it is free trade until the bankers and money pimps get into trouble; then the politicians (you know, big government, have no money but ours) make subventions of our taxes to subsides the wanton failures of the self selected elites of Wall St. The new feudalism, Tell it how it is, Mr Moore.
     
  7. D_Sir Fitzwilly Wankheimer III

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    Michael Moore is an obeese grotesque that should be deported to Canada.
     
  8. D_Sir Fitzwilly Wankheimer III

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    exactly same goes for subsidising industries and companies that are obsolete. i think the illegal drug trade is a great example of capitalism. the bigger the risk the greater the reward. that's the way it's supposed to be.
     
  9. B_Nick8

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    I have rarely seen a more succinct and finely honed summation. :rolleyes:

    I, for one, cannot wait to see the film.
     
  10. D_Mylor Mentallydaft

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    A movie against the only proven system of finance to ever be proven to work, by a multi millionaire who has made several movies against companies he was a share holder in and "smugged" facts or "edited" interviews to suit his desired message........must me gripping…….. the man is one step below jesse jackson or al sharpton. race profiteers only effect one group, a crisis profit is a carpet bagger of suffering, effecting all people he uses and profits off of.

    Below is the definition of "documentary"

    doc·u·men·ta·ry
    adj.
    1. Consisting of, concerning, or based on documents.
    2. Presenting facts objectively without editorializing or inserting fictional matter, as in a book or film.
     
  11. D_Stanford Dedwillie III

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    This individual can tell a great story on film. The story is generally a lie, but its a great story.
     
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    Do you know what a ideologue is?

    Ideologue: Smug and self satisfied in their certitudes, Ideologues opinions are merely a loose collection of intellectual conceits, and are genuinely astonished, bewildered and indignant that his views are not universally embraced as the Truth. He regards the opposing point of view as a form of cognitive dissonance whose only cure is relentless propagandizing and browbeating.

    To bad that we cant be more factually based then ideologically based.
     
  13. DaveUSADAV

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    Perhaps I can paraphrase John Maynard Keynes since I can't quote him from memory:
    " Capatalism is the extrordinary and mythical belief that the nastiest of men for the greediest and most selfish of reasons can somehow work for the benefit of us all."
     
  14. Wyldgusechaz

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    How about this one:

    Irving Kristol: his book,""Two Cheers for Capitalism,"" asserts that capitalism, or more precisely bourgeois capitalism, is worthy of two cheers: One cheer, because "it works, in a quite simple, material sense," by improving the conditions of people. And a second cheer, because it is "congenial to a large measure of personal liberty." These are no small achievements, he argues, and only capitalism has proved capable of providing them. But it also imposes a great "psychic burden" upon the individual and the social order as well. Because it does not meet the individual's "'existential' human needs," it creates a "spiritual malaise" that threatens the legitimacy of that social order. As much as anything else, it is the withholding of that third cheer that is the distinctive mark of neoconservatism, as Kristol understands it.[13]
     
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    I have been inspired by the political posts on this board. So, instead of seeing the Michael Moore Movie....

    I will save my $9 and either:

    1.) Give it to someone to buy health insurance with.

    2.) Give it to someone to supplement their education voucher to pay for their kid's education

    3.) Donate it to a "free abortions for mothers who change their minds" clinic

    4.) Donate it to Joe Wison's opponent in the next South Carolina election

    5.) Give it to a couple of black panther's to stand outside a polling place "doin' nuthin' "

    6.) Buy some bleach to clean up Robert Byrd's yellowing Klan uniform in the Smithsonian.

    7.) Sign it over, along with the rest of my paycheck, to the Obama Administration to do what is best for me.
     
  16. wallyj84

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    He didn't say that Moore was an ideologue, he said that Moore was ideologically biased. There's a big difference between the two.
     
  17. DaveUSADAV

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    I apologize to wyldgusechaz for mis-spelling Capitalism in my JMK quote...I had fair amount of brandy that evening. Great answer Guy. The real story is to realize there are now 9-11 countries with standard of livings exceeding that of the US- all of them Socialistic, a combination of government and private capital.
     
  18. D_Stanford Dedwillie III

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    hahaha. And which countries are those?

    hilarious
     
  19. B_Enough_for_Me

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    I feel like a mosquito at a nudist colony, I just don't know where to start!

    1) He doesn't "slightly smudge" a "couple of facts". He rewrites entire newspaper articles to say what he wants. He makes up events that never happened, or edits them to have meaning they never had. Then presents them to the viewer and claims them to be facts.

    2) Moore, by his own words, does not make documentaries. Documentaries take integrity and honesty; of which he lacks both. He uses his movies to push movies that make him filthy stinking rich. Of course, after making hundreds of millions of dollars off capitalism, I can't believe the irony of him lashing out against it. Further, socialism is so great why isn't he giving away his immense fortune? Thats what I thought.

    3) Moore isn't a 'thinker'. He adds nothing to the debate. He doesn't write philosophy, nor does he understand it. Moore makes movies, that is it. He takes the running national commentary and puts it on film. His only purpose in life is to interview people who know more than he does.



    Seriously, this is the second one today, you need to check your integrity man.
     
  20. B_Enough_for_Me

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    Ha, good call. I openly laughed at that one, too.
     
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