Captured!!

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  1. Imported

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    wvalady1968: Take pride in the fact that one of our own posters is a Sgt. stationed in Bagdad right now. On YIM just now, he told me that they're celebrating big time over there. [That's an understatement.]

    Well, hopefully Hussein will live to stand trial for his many crimes.

    [I, for one, have seen WAY too much video of the doctor looking inside Saddam's mouth.]
    :eek:
     
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    All the soldiers fighting terrorism around the world can come and join LPSG.

    Men and women of honor and courage, they all have big dicks as far as I'm concerned.

    WTG, Sarge! Now *rolling up sleeves* who's next?

    Proud Pecker
     
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    wvalady1968: allieb1968: Did you see Pecker's reply to my post about you?
    gushiggins: no
    allieb1968: "All the soldiers fighting terrorism around the world can come and join LPSG.

    Men and women of honor and courage, they all have big dicks as far as I'm concerned.

    WTG, Sarge! Now *rolling up sleeves* who's next?

    Proud Pecker"



    gushiggins: awwww
    gushiggins: post for me that i appreciate everyone's thanks for and pride in the world's best military
    gushiggins: and that i am proud to call the lpsg my home
    gushiggins: and that, after we stabilize this country and get it back running again
    gushiggins: there's going to be one HUGE party
    gushiggins: no pun intended
     
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    andyz: What a load of Yankee clap-trap !

    They have not found 1 WMD in over 230 days !

    Saddam needs justice !
     
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    [quote author=andyz link=board=99;num=1071413553;start=0#3 date=12/14/03 at 10:42:52] Saddam needs justice ![/quote]

    Since when has Saddam worried about justice?
     
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    andyz: Yanks playing GOD again !

    Burger-eating FAT bullies !

    Bloated inbred Mickey Mouse lovers !
     
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    wvalady1968: [quote author=andyz link=board=99;num=1071413553;start=0#3 date=12/14/03 at 10:42:52]  Saddam needs justice ![/quote]

    Oh, that's goal number one in my book.

    I was tempted to delete my posts above because.......

    Well, because that's what I do when things get uncomfortable.

    But that would be an insult to Sgt. Z. and all the other fine men and women from many countries who are sacrificing years of their lives to work to make a difference.

    Regardless of the problems you have with American foreign policies, the individuals serving in the military would say that they are there so we CAN have the freedom to complain. I know, because that's one of the first things Z. told me.
     
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    Inwood: Yes, from certain perspectives this is good news. I hope it does lead to fewer and fewer attacks on our soldiers.

    I am very happy Saddam has been caught. Our soldiers are doing the job they've been ordered to do and doing it to the best of their abilities.

    I also think it's a plus that the Iraqis will be the ones to try him. I just wonder under what Iraqi laws he will be tried under.

    But as mentioned a few posts above still no WMD's have been found. I suppose with this glorious capture that bothersome bit of fluff will be quietly swept away at least here in the states. Which is too bad. If none are found we need to know why we were led to believe they were there.

    However if some are found, coupled with the capture of Saddam, things will look very bright for the current administration.
     
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    str8_nnj: ...so told,about 270 mass graves
    300,000 so far uncovered (bodies)
    ..and thats the ones they know about

    ...the story continues
     
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    Tender: Saddam needs justice?! ???


    :D
    i hope he gets it!

    dish it out to him in the way he served his 'own'.

    it matters not if WMD have been found, he was clearly guilty of torturing many.

    as far as im concerned said 'trial' need only to last as long as it takes to round up the longest rope and find a tree lol...

    Tender
     
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    Hey, what can I say, except--One down, one to go!

    As for what should happen to Hussein, well in a perfect world, he'd be left in a room with mustard gas. Or sent out into the open without armed escort/ protection, and a bull's eye on his back.
     
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    tracksuitboy: [quote author=wvalady1968 link=board=99;num=1071413553;start=0#2 date=12/14/03 at 08:55:18]gushiggins: post for me that i appreciate everyone's thanks for and pride in the world's best military[/quote]
    Oh really? The world's best military?  May I take this opportunity to remind you that the majority of Britains killed in Iraq have been killed by Americans. That was true for the Gulf War too.  So may I suggest that you do not crow about how fantastic your military is when they manage to kill their allies with such alarming regularity.  Yes accidents can happen but the British soldiers were killed in not one incident but several.

    [quote author=Inwood link=board=99;num=1071413553;start=0#7 date=12/14/03 at 17:18:03]still no WMD's have been found. I suppose with this glorious capture that bothersome bit of fluff will be quietly swept away at least here in the states. [/quote]
    From what I've seen and read on this board and elsewhere, the fact that Your Glorious Leader is a lying  bastard seems not to be headline news in the USA.  At least in the UK we have had the Hutton Enquiry which has shown Our Glorious Leader to be as much a liar as yours.  The fact that Saddam has been captured will, inevitably, become the raison d'etre for the the war and the fact that Bush lied to the world about Iraq's WMDs will be conveniently forgotten, especially as 2004 is an election year.  I have made reference to The Project for the New American Century before on this board which proves that the war in Iraq was planned in the 90's by Bush, Cheney, Rice and others but note that no American has commented on it either through lack of knowledge of that group or because it does not fit into the America-as-Gung-Ho-Saviour-of-the-World image.

    [quote author=Tender link=board=99;num=1071413553;start=0#9 date=12/14/03 at 20:14:34]Saddam needs justice?! ???


    :D
    i hope he gets it!

    dish it out to him in the way he served his 'own'.

    it matters not if WMD have been found, he was clearly guilty of torturing many.

    as far as im concerned said 'trial' need only to last as long as it takes to round up the longest rope and find a tree lol...

    Tender [/quote]
    There is a saying that you should judge a country not by how it treats its friends, but how it treats its enemies.  You criticise Saddam for denying human rights by denying him human rights; a slight double-standard there I feel.  The prisoners at Guantanamo Bay are manacled and shackled and denied human rights including the right to an open trial and legal representation.  So the ability of America to take the Moral High Ground is well and truly fucked.

    May I also remind people that when it suited the US America financed and armed the man and sold him chemical weapons; fucking Rumsfeld went to Baghdad in person to do it!  The Reagan administration knew that he was an unstable dictator but you still sold him these weapons and then you're surprised when he uses them!.  For fuck's sake wake up America!

    I am not an apologist for Saddam; he was an evil tyrant who was up there with Hitler and Stalin in the list of Evil Ones and shooting him would be too good (better the bastard rots away to the end of his natural life in solitary confinement in a grotty Iraqi jail).  But no one in the West complains when we do business with Dictators who deny human rights and democracy to their citizens when it suits us - we deal with the likes of the Saudis all the time. We don't rush in to Zimbabwe to oust Mugabe because it doesn't suit us to because they haven't got oil but the Saudi's have.

    It's great the Saddam has been caught and I look forward to him being found guilty by an Iraqi court and being sentenced to death but I really think that we in the free world should look a little more carefully into why this has all taken place.
     
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    As I put on my new glasses (the ones designed and guaranteed by the Nostradamus Seeing-eye Lens Co., Ltd., of Italy) I look deep into the year 2025 and see the last of the world's terror cells captured and brought to justice.

    Peace and satisfaction at last? Not likely. Too many liberals still harping, "But where are the WMD's?"

    Pecker

    (What would I do if I found out I had only six months left to live? I'd type faster.)
     
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    hawl: [quote author=tracksuitboy link=board=99;num=1071413553;start=0#11 date=12/15/03 at 02:22:19]  I have made reference to The Project for the New American Century before on this board which proves that the war in Iraq was planned in the 90's by Bush, Cheney, Rice and others but note that no American has commented on it either through lack of knowledge of that group or because it does not fit into the America-as-Gung-Ho-Saviour-of-the-World image.
    [/quote]I won't try to prove it with pictures, but I am an American :D! I long ago started an entire thread on neoconservatism! I think the PNAC is mentioned only briefly once by name in that thread's linked articles, but that's a little like saying The Communist Manifesto is mentioned only once in a thread on Lenin. "Et Cetera, Et Cetera" has the second # of posts on the board. We were discussing the Plame story in July! As Pecker surely agrees, there's only so much we can do without completely overrunning the board and being obnoxious :D! Wander if you dare through the legendary 5-page "WMD's" thread! I was just wondering where to put this new article on the current state of the ongoing war between the intelligence community and the neoconservative wing of the administration-www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/9562. I'd update the "Bob Novak" thread, but then the last 3 posts would all be mine! My question about Saddam is usually: during all this hunting for a deposed Third World despot, whatever happened to talking about "Osama Bin Forgotten" and his fluid international network? Anyone else notice that the ruler of Pakistan, who really does have nukes, was yet again nearly assassinated by likely his own people? His travel around his own country has long been about as safe as Bush's or Wolfowitz's visits to Iraq. Do you think John Ashcroft is a smart, realistic guy who can protect this country against international terrorists who have access to the latest technology and are willing to die for their cause? Ashcroft spends his time prosecuting bong-makers and pornographers! In a similar vein of "Do you feel safer?", it still surprises me that the Democrats don't use New York City as an example of Bush's problems in dealing with a real "war on terror". Bush has a 63% disapproval rating in the city that contains "Ground Zero". Are those residents unrealistic, or masochists, or do they perhaps have a more focused perspective on preventing future 9/11's?  How about so many of the other urbanites throughout the U.S and the world who live every day in very inviting terrorist targets and who oppose Bush, Ashcroft, and the neoconservatives? I don't pretend to have all the answers, but aren't these serious questions for Bush and so many of his rural supporters? Hey, I just wanna stay alive.
     
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    Tender: [quote author=tracksuitboy link=board=99;num=1071413553;start=0#11 date=12/15/03 at 02:22:19]
    There is a saying that you should judge a country not by how it treats its friends, but how it treats its enemies.  You criticise Saddam for denying human rights by denying him human rights; a slight double-standard there I feel.  
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    i see no double standard there.
    I believe in justice, not revenge.
    he has killed many, and for that he deserves to die himself, thats how it works.
    feed and water the rat until then, fine, but i see no reason to draw out any longer than necesary- his fate; as the whole world has seen the way he has killed others.
    i say do it quickly and be done with it.
    by the way in my book he does not qualify as a mere
    'enemy', he is a murderer. big difference, you can be an enemy without murdering.

    As far as our military being the 'best' in the world, i wouldnt be so quick to say that myself.

    Tender
     
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    tracksuitboy: Tender my dear, if I have mis-interpretted your post then I apologise. Your use of quotes around the word trial implied that you were ready to string Saddam up without having a trial. Yes we know that a trial will be a total waste of time and money as the whole world knows that he was a murderer and torturer to the nth degree, but, as we live in a "civilised world" (the jury's out on that one!) we must treat all people the same and the bastard is entitled to a trial. In the UK at the moment, a man is on trial for the murder of two ten year old girls; he admits burning their clothes and bodies but denies murdering them. Even Blind Pugh in a particularly heavy bout of dense fog can see that the defendant is as guilty as sin but we have to accept that he is entitled to his trial.

    As for Saddam being executed, in principle I cannot agree with that as I am totally against the death penalty. I see your reasoning for wanting him executed and part of me agrees but I cannot apply a principle here and not apply it there. Saddam has had 30 years or so of luxurious living with tremenedous wealth so I feel that spending the remainder of his life in solitary in a grotty Iraqi prison living on basic sustinance will punish him more.
     
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    tracksuitboy: [quote author=andyz link=board=99;num=1071413553;start=0#5 date=12/14/03 at 11:14:57]Yanks playing GOD again !

    Burger-eating FAT bullies !

    Bloated inbred Mickey Mouse lovers ![/quote]
    Andyz dear I think you need to calm down a little! I have been known to have a rant to two on this board as Ms Tender and Mr Pecker will vouch. But even I think your post is a smidge over the top!
     
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    str8_nnj: ....lets have a beer,and blame the french.


    the story continues
     
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    wvalady1968: [quote author=str8_nnj link=board=99;num=1071413553;start=0#17 date=12/15/03 at 13:56:18]....lets have a beer,and blame the french.


    the story continues[/quote]

    :D
     
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    Tender: [quote author=tracksuitboy link=board=99;num=1071413553;start=0#15 date=12/15/03 at 08:26:30]
    As for Saddam being executed, in principle I cannot agree with that as I am totally against the death penalty.  I see your reasoning for wanting him executed and part of me agrees but I cannot apply a principle here and not apply it there.  Saddam has had 30 years or so of luxurious living with tremenedous wealth so I feel that spending the remainder of his life in solitary in a grotty Iraqi prison living on basic sustinance will punish him more.
    [/quote]

    i am not a big fan of the DP either, however,
    i beleive in some cases it is best because then no one has to worry about the person having as much influence as if he were still alive.
    keep in mind also that he still has plenty of loyal followers that will make plans to 'free' their leader, and other outbreaks, moreso than if he were dead.
    no one can bring him back to life lol!
    but as long as he lives he is a threat, even if just in symbol.

    you are right in that the best REVENGE for him would be to lock him up for the rest of his life.
    but we are not after revenge, we want to do whatever is smartest and safest.
    that is to be rid of him.
    Tender
     
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