Carly Fiorina--your thoughts?

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THIS is what will sink her.

My thoughts? Interesting read on the first several posts. Always funny to go back and read these things, sort of Monday monring quarterbacking. Who knows where she and this will go. Still early.

But hey, she's a woman. How many have said "it's 'bout time for a woman." That's how we vote these days in this country.
 

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Here's an article on her in Fortune magazine concentrating on what she did at Lucent before she fucked over HP:
http://fortune.com/2010/10/15/carly-fiorinas-troubling-telecom-past/
She doesn't represent the American people, the people of California rejected her (for good reason in an unsuccessful senate run), she represents big business.
 

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Because she is a woman, I believe the RNC has designated Carly as the attack dog to go after Hillary (no claims of sexism when a woman harshly criticizes another woman). By declaring her candidacy, Carly gains media attention for her role as RNC attack dog (even if she is not a viable candidate).

Perhaps you're right; she certainly comes out swinging. Which is another reason I don't think she can win: the U.S. is still too sexist to elect a woman who seems so angry.
 

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I don't think she can win: the U.S. is still too sexist to elect a woman who seems so angry.
As a presidential candidate, I agree with you. Nobody wants to elect an angry, disagreeable person (of either gender). They always say you vote for the person you would want to have a beer with.

But Carly is really campaigning for Vice President. The role of VP during a campaign is to be the attack dog so that the presidential candidate can remain above it all and look presidential. I have already resigned myself to the fact that Carly will be the the VP candidate for the GOP. They would be foolish not to use her in that way. People vote for the top of the ticket - not based on the VP candidate. In the position of VP, Carly's anger will be an asset, not a liability.
 

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As a presidential candidate, I agree with you. Nobody wants to elect an angry, disagreeable person (of either gender). They always say you vote for the person you would want to have a beer with.

But Carly is really campaigning for Vice President. The role of VP during a campaign is to be the attack dog so that the presidential candidate can remain above it all and look presidential. I have already resigned myself to the fact that Carly will be the the VP candidate for the GOP. They would be foolish not to use her in that way. People vote for the top of the ticket - not based on the VP candidate. In the position of VP, Carly's anger will be an asset, not a liability.
I'm not too sure. In 2008 I feel that a number of people who voted for McCain did so because of Palin. They seem to be the ones who still think what she says is smart and important. A great deal of people didn't vote for him because of his VP pick. I feel that because of that, who is picked to be VP now is more important.
 
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I know that among "conservatives" and the TEA party types they keep trying to make the case the SP gained JM votes but point to a single state where JM won that he would not have won anyway. You can include Alaska on that list, JM was going to win that state no matter who the VP was.

But you can make the case that she cost him a decent shot at more than enough states to have made the difference.

I have sister who lives in FL. a pretty reliable R voted for GWB twice and I "talked" to her a week or so prior to the election and she said she was not voting for JM and the reason why was because he had picked SP and she said she knew more that a few people that felt the same, now if she and those others voted for the president or just stayed home I do not know.

I always felt that provided he agreed to be on the ticket the best choice he could have made would have been Tom Ridge. He would not have turned off people like my sister so who knows maybe he wins FL. He was a popular long time member of the house a popular two term Govenor of PA, The R version of Ed Rendell so he most likley delivers PA, maybe not by much but just enough and maybe just next door OH. maybe even enough to make the difference in Virginia and Indianna.
 
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I don't disagree with any of those comments about Sarah Palin. She was (and is) a polarizing figure. In 2008, her persona eclipsed John McCain (a big no-no for the VP candidate), so that contributed to folks voting for/against her instead of the person at the top of the ticket. I contend that Palin was a rare exception in that regard.

I guess it remains to be seen if Fiorina becomes that polarizing/significant in this election cycle. It's hard for me to imagine anyone making a movie about Carly (i.e. Game Change).

http://www.hbo.com/movies/game-change
 

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I don't disagree with any of those comments about Sarah Palin. She was (and is) a polarizing figure. In 2008, her persona eclipsed John McCain (a big no-no for the VP candidate), so that contributed to folks voting for/against her instead of the person at the top of the ticket. I contend that Palin was a rare exception in that regard.

I guess it remains to be seen if Fiorina becomes that polarizing/significant in this election cycle. It's hard for me to imagine anyone making a movie about Carly (i.e. Game Change).

http://www.hbo.com/movies/game-change
In my opinion the Palin effect is still influencing McCain. He went from being a figure that even most Democrats could see themselves voting for to being the opposite. As the GOP base became more enamored of the Palin type McCain saw that in order to have a future in politics one either needed to follow suit or risk being eliminated.
Carly seems much smarted than Palin but if you listen to her and check out her record then you might see that she says a lot but doesn't really say anything worthwhile.
 
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Fiorina was a failure as a CEO; Trump's ventures barely had more hits than misses; Carson's high-profile surgeries all resulted in deaths. From the way they tout themselves, you wouldn't know how unsuccessful they all are. Jeb Bush is turning out to be a disappointment (he's very passive against Trump), but at least he's not claiming to be something he's not.
 
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Fiorina was a failure as a CEO; Trump's ventures barely had more hits than misses; Carson's high-profile surgeries all resulted in deaths. From the way they tout themselves, you wouldn't know how unsuccessful they all are. Jeb Bush is turning out to be a disappointment (he's very passive against Trump), but at least he's not claiming to be something he's not.

From my perspective, Fiorina, Trump, Carson, or whatever, are all the same to me, as long as they all essentially tout the same ideologies. And that's because (as I've explained here during the last two presidential elections) when it comes to congressional or presidential elections, MY vote is based upon the candidate's platform and the kind of constituency that supports it.

As such, I'll NEVER vote for candidates whose ideologies are founded upon concepts and values diametrically opposed to those I hold dear, and will vote for their opposition just to keep them from gaining a foothold.
 

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She's a liar. In addition to her distortions about her business career, she lied about the video of the fetus flopping around on the Planned Parenthood abortion table. And she doubled down on that lie by posting to Youtube, a video montage of her "winning" the last debate and scenes of the fetus.

The Center for Medical Progress, which produced the Planned Parenthood exposé, edited in stock footage from The Center for Bio-Ethical Reform for that scene. CBER has released the full 13 minute video and it was not filmed at a Planned Parenthood clinic. Furthermore, doctors are saying that it is footage of a miscarriage, in a hospital, not an abortion.

Carly gets a Pantsuit on Fire rating for this whopper.
 
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Fiorina was a failure as a CEO; Trump's ventures barely had more hits than misses; Carson's high-profile surgeries all resulted in deaths. From the way they tout themselves, you wouldn't know how unsuccessful they all are. Jeb Bush is turning out to be a disappointment (he's very passive against Trump), but at least he's not claiming to be something he's not.

Agreed but Jeb is claiming to be 'I am my own man' but it turns out he's a carbon copy of his big brother. Expect GWB: The Third Term if he is elected.
 

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I want to like her, but don't see that she's got anything special about her. Same probably goes for all of them.
 
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She is a living example of "if you can't say something nice about someone, you probably shouldn't say anything".

I ain't talking