Catholic church outdated?

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    Is anyone with me that the catholic church is largely outdated and obsolete? I'm of the opinion that the purpose of a religion is to serve the purpose of the society it was created in. Once that society has passed on in favor of a new one, shouldn't a specific religion conencted with it also pass? The advantages and disadvantges of our current society and completely different than those of the society the catholic church was created, are they not? Whacha think people? Yea with me?
     
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    People have always created gods to answer the unknown. When people didn't know how rain happened, there were rain gods. Explain that volcano eruption: wrath of an angry god.

    There will always be a church as long as we have unaswered questions. And with an institution such as the Catholic Church, it's designed to self-perpetuate.
     
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    Considering how many Christians there are in the world and all these MEGA churches going up in the midwest I would have to say it's obviously not outdated. People seem to need and cling to it. I don't agree w/all their edicts but most humans seem to need something to cling to and believe in. Now if i could figure out a sytem like that and have millions of dollars of priceless art in the basement I prob. would too. :D
     
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    If the purpose (as you say) of a church is in fact to "serve the purpose of the society it was created in" I suggest the Roman Catholic church has been outdated for just over two thousand years.

    It's a business as I see it. Nothing more. Nothing less.
     
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    the purpose of the roman catholic church was to control the masses was it not? I believe some of the lessons and rules of the roman catholic church are meaningless for the scoiety we live in today. Wasnt the human population dangerously in the balance at the time of it's creation, at which point discouraging homosexuality is obviously helpful. Stronzo, thats my overall point. I believe the catholic church in practice today is essentially different from its original form. I think people who practice it's original form are extremely old-fashioned to make up for it...
     
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    I'd have to say I agree w/part of that as I posted. Ya know those gowns aren't cheap!:biggrin1:
     
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    are you calling the catholic chruch somewhat of a disease...haha thats funny. I in no way doubt the reasons in the belief of a higher power. I'm talking about the specifics included in religions. the rules and specifications for whats appropriate and why and what would happen if one disobeyed said appropriate behaviors.
     
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    Having been brought up a catholic but broke away at the age of 19 years old I have to agree it is outdated and fill with dogma. I have been a Buddhist for the past six years and can say that it is a belief based on facts and not blind faith as is the Catholic faith. It is one you can put to the test and see for yourself that it works. Buddhism accounts for on fifth of the world population and contiunes to grow.
     
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    haha, sweet pic btw
     
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    It's like Stronzo said: all the pomp and circumstance are great marketing and sales tools.

    As for specific behaviours which are Church-dictated, at some point there may be more pressure to evolve. Will they open up the priesthood to allow marriage? Will they have to back away from their more obvious anti-gay rhetoric? We'll see. You gotta fill them churches or there is no church.
     
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    I find it funny though, becuase if you want anything to survive from one time period to the next, it's got to adapt to whats changed in order to do it. The church obviously has to follow this rule, but the religion itself doesnt change when this adaptation occurs and that is the reason I feel has fucked up the church SO much, you get what I'm sayin?
     
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    The ignorance of this post is almost beyond comprehension!
     
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    oh? How so, give me your arguement (that was the purpose of this thread after all)
     
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    I think part of the reason the church is so slow to evovlve is because if they do they'd have to admit they were wrong before and is only doing it to change w/the times. Alot of religions is set in stone. All ten commandments of them and then some.
     
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    Catholic priests were allowed to marry up until 1054 AD. It's part of the reason there was a split between the catholic and the orthodox churches. Outside of the religious reason for passing such a law, there was also a political reason. The church was losing too much wealth due to the families of priests inheriting what initially belonged to the church.

    Even a millennium ago, it seems as if the church was a business.
     
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    Well.

    If nothing else it makes for a good floor show eh? :cool:
     
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    I personally think it's stupid to create something that's set in stone if you want it to last for all time. I suppose to adapt to how the world is changing, they would have to do that. Maybe thats part of the reason I'm not religious. It's kinda obvious one changes a lot over time, so why make a commitment that you are going to be doing the same things in the same way for your entire life? Isnt that what you're odoing by joining a religion such a the roman catholic church?
     
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    it'd be hilarious if the church stopped continuing to exist smply because it went bankrupt HAHAHA
     
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    Well obv. there are factions and groups that branched off and formed other organizations w/in the church. Much like the reform jewish movement. If the main church would evolved now they'd have to let a woman potentially become the pope, gays be priests and bishops. And I mean OUT priests and bishops and that is NOT going to happen.
     
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    If the faith suits some people then clearly it isn't outdated. Few countries have no religious freedoms and none of them are Catholic so it's not like anyone has a gun to their heads to be Catholic as they did for close to 1700 years in some nations.

    There is no standard for the use of faith. By its nature, faith cannot be judged against what is practical or scientific or even healthy for us. If a faith is outdated then it falls away into history, if it's not then it survives or is even revived as society sees fit as with Asatru or Wicca.

    The Vatican collection isn't worth millions. It's worth billions, and if some historians who have gained access to the archives (not just the art) are correct, the value would be in the trillions. It is literally a priceless collection. Rather like the British crown holdings though, they can't really sell it so putting a price on it is a bit useless.
     
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