Changing room showers, under 25's

[Mal_the_Wolf]

Fucktard........ Wow, did your debate team scholarship cover room and board or did have to get a part time job in speech writing?
I do honestly apologize for my tone, just frustrated with the topic, I know just my word on it can't mean much but I have no issue with gay men and neither am I close minded about it, I’ve experimented with bisexuality and found it just unappealing, since then I have been in several MMF 3soms and showered with men daily for almost 10 years in the army. I enjoy showing off and couldn't care less who sees me, I love an admiring glance or even a straight forward complement.
Now having cleared that up.......
What I DO have an issue with is first, the B.S threads complaining the “hot young guys” aren’t showering where you can see them is cause you want “brotherhood” and not a free peepshow, come on look where we are whos gonna judge? But FIRST AND FOREMOST I have a problem with you or anyone making some one feel guilty for feeling ANYTHING. Being pissed in not getting what you want is understandable if not even logical but calling them repressed or ignorant for feeling differently than you is NO DIFFRENT than someone outside of an aids clinic with picket signs bibles who tell their kids god is love and made us all but aids is his plague to punish the evil. I always find it no less than the definition of insanity every time when people consider themselves superior by judging some one for being judgmental.
TO BE HONEST, IMO…… I see no reason to have separate sex bath/locker rooms; it would save space and time. But if all locker, dressing and bathrooms were made unisex some people would still avoid it. If a woman didn't feel comfortable using the public rest room because once a drunk girl started groping her and when asked to stop she is called a frigid prude bitch that just needed a woman to give it to her the right way I dunno if I’d call her a homophobe. I MIGHT even understand her not using the shower at the gym if she was once there late night And a guy grabbed the spot across from her and started stroking his hard dick staring at her and when she asked him to stop he told her she was full of herself he was just washing, not every man in the world wanted her JUST cause she's a woman, I doubt I’d call her stunted or close minded. Cause each one of those scenarios happened to me in bath/locker rooms , and I know those are isolated incidents, like when 2 cowards beat up a teenage hustler to show how manly they are. The reason I avoid public facilities is cause they are fucking nasty……. I have had to squat in the jungle and desert and I’d prefer to flush with a shovel than use a quicktrip urinal, but I guess it’s easier to blame my mom than health class

 

[Trekrider]

At least at nude beaches there's none of this silliness. Everyone has the same body parts and gets on with life. I find it so amusing that it's such a big event for so many guys to see a cock or let anyone see theirs. A sheltered upbringing perhaps?

 

[perthjames]

I am currently in Sweden and have been swimming a couple of times at public pools. There seems no apprehension at all - from any age group - about shower room nudity. Yesterday, for example, I shared a shower with a dozen guys ranging from early teens to 100 (joking), all of whom happily went between showers and sauna with no qualms. And penis size didn't seem an issue with sizes ranging from button mushrooms to well hung.

 

[dc46064]

Could be a couple of different situations. When I stayed in Europe for a while, no one seemed to have a problem with being nude, it is even on TV. In the United States, it is different. We have a problem with being nude period. ( The country as a whole not myself) There is the issue of divorce. There are alot of young men being raised by just women. No male figure in the home. It also depends on what part of the country you are in. The midwest is a bunch of prudes. My parents where just silly. I couldnt even change in my room, had to in the bathroom. There was no thing of being naked in my home growing up. But I am from the midwest , with a church on every corner, and that has alot to do with it.

 

[Mal_the_Wolf]

I am currently in Sweden and have been swimming a couple of times at public pools. There seems no apprehension at all - from any age group - about shower room nudity. Yesterday, for example, I shared a shower with a dozen guys ranging from early teens to 100 (joking), all of whom happily went between showers and sauna with no qualms. And penis size didn't seem an issue with sizes ranging from button mushrooms to well hung.

this morning i was at the gym sauna with a man, me in a towel and him totally nude, we talked for 2 hours, he even commented on my penis. my rule is look, don't touch, comment and chat but respect my boundries. i've even let a little n'sync looking twink put his hand around it once all because he was respectful. I have no issue with male nudity and enjoy attention, but alot of people has self image issues, security issues and even homophobia issues, but even the latter case isn't WRONG or beneath me or you cause of it. The just have to bring a towel and be grimy on the drive home

 

[gymfresh]

IMO, the issue of modesty bordering on the ridiculous has most to do with present-day society's broad accommodation of the individual. Some of this has to do with the fact that we can accommodate so much more with modern technology (you want to pick the day of the month your credit card bill is due? that can be customized for you) or just the luxury of heightened sensitivity (where were transgendered rights a generation ago? activism heightened awareness and made inroads).

And so it is with modesty. I guarantee that if anyone had put our 7th-grade showering to a vote, it would have gone down in flames. Out of 2 classes totaling probably 60 of us that showered together, about 10% of us -- a few überjocks -- were honestly comfortable with the idea around 1972. But we were TOLD that we would change in front of each other, then the next week TOLD that we would all have to put on jock straps in front of each other, and at the end of the third week of the first semester of 7th grade TOLD that we would start showering after gym class. If you balked, you got a stern lecture. If you remained intransigent, you got punished. I would sooner have waived any chance of going to college rather than get naked in front of anyone, but it really wasn't my choice.

My family didn't have private bathrooms for everyone at home, but there was no trace of nudity or undress. I've never seen my dad or brother nude; maybe not even without trousers or a swimsuit. Nor did I ever want to. So, while many kids today are indeed coddled with huge bedrooms and bathrooms of their own, I don't think that in and of itself is the root of pathological modesty.

Instead, it's society's indulgence of Precious Junior's wishes. But which is instinctive: to not care about skinnydipping or showering with your friends, or to not wish to be seen? Is modesty innate or acquired/taught? Are its roots in shame of some kind? And when does simple modesty cross over into ridiculous behavior?

I did realize it at age 12 and couldn't articulate it for a decade or more later, but I honestly do think that social nudity is a very healthy thing. It is the only way for many people to understand that folks come in all shapes, sizes and ages and that underneath our textile or attitudinal exteriors, we're all basically the same animals. For some the experience is bonding, for others liberating, for others merely instructional. I understand that for some it's terrifying, but THAT behavior is the one that has its roots in a problem.

The greatest social belligerence seems to come from those who also abhor the body. Political fights, international distrust, aberrant social behavior -- all seem to be at their extreme in people and societies that obsess about hiding the body. Yes, I think nudity prevents wars.

The American Christian (formerly Moral Majority) ideal seems to be for today's youth to never see another nude body until after marriage, and then only your spouse or your own infant children. Talk about unhealthy! This leads to anxiety and misconceptions about one's own body and inflated ideas about one's own personal space. They need to get over themselves.

My rule of thumb: my body parts are sexualized only during sex. At the gym or the beach, or an impromptu pool party, I could care less who sees my nose, my dick or my knees. Maybe that's how we should raise our kids, too. I wish my parents had.

 

[mariamluvsEMbig]

i would like to have sex in a changing room shower...

 

[Mal_the_Wolf]

My rule of thumb: my body parts are sexualized only during sex. At the gym or the beach, or an impromptu pool party, I could care less who sees my nose, my dick or my knees. Maybe that's how we should raise our kids, too. I wish my parents had.

i agree with quite a bit of what you said 100% and say again, I have no problem what so ever being naked around men at all and see no reason why we don't have unisex everything, but thats you, and thats me...... just because i am OK with 2 guys getting married, having sex and drinking or doing drugs provided they don't drive doesn't make the chunky third grader wrong for not wanting people to see him naked, but it is wrong to force him. and even if you put it after a "maybe", no good comes from the word "should"..... especially when its applied to good intentions to others.

 

[Mal_the_Wolf]

i would like to have sex in a changing room shower...

i work out at 11:30 on thursdays, i'll bring towels

 

[mariamluvsEMbig]

i work out at 11:30 on thursdays, i'll bring towels

tsk tsk...no protection...where's your sense of responsibility???

 

[Mal_the_Wolf]

tsk tsk...no protection...where's your sense of responsibility???

I ALWAYS have protection ....i'll have my waterproof composite body 40cal automatic, we'll be safe



lol

 

[Florida Boy]

This is probably the most succinct and accurate statement on this subject I have seen in any of the myriad of posts about changing room behavior. So true.

I presents a new window opening to me.

 

[mariamluvsEMbig]

haha ok

I ALWAYS have protection ....i'll have my waterproof composite body 40cal automatic, we'll be safe



lol

 

[D_Cateryke Cheesysmell]

Do some gyms really have to have signs saying that you can't fuck in the showers? I mean is it that big a turn on that you simply cannot restrain yourselves? I don't think it's asking that much...

warning signs are outside steam rooms!

 

[slvrstud]

In junior high school (early 70's), before swimming class, the entire class had to line up naked to get their swimsuits from the gym teacher. No suits distributed until everyone was in line. This was a large, suburban, public school. As far as I know nobody gave it a second thought.

 

[shanehall]

I graduated in 1982. Went to school in Orange County California. It was required to shower after gym class from junior high through high school. Yes we were all a little modest at first.
The teacher stood in the locker room and made sure EVERY ONE showered. We all got the lecture as freshmans that we are all men and bodies came in all shapes and sizes.
I appreciate that our teacher took the time to break the ice about nudity, no big deal. A cock is a cock is a cock.

 

[223790]

The hostile responses that go back and forth between str8 men and gay men on these threads is tired.

Even between straight men. I'm 100% straight. I've never had sex with a man in my life, nor do I ever wish to. This is not simply a straight versus gay issue. Just because I support open same gender nudity doesn't mean I'm gay and want to have sex with guys. I can certainly appreciate a well built guy because I know how difficult it is to obtain and maintain a great physique, and lets face it, a fit looking guy is far nicer to see (not gawk at but see) than an overweight guy. Just because I'm secure enough in my sexuality to say that looking at a young fit attractive guy is more pleasant than looking at an old out of shape ugly guy doesn't mean I want to have sex with the guy. Maybe this explains why you don't see old out of shape ugly guys in advertisements that are aimed at all guys (straight and gay). Any guy who can't admit that another guy is good looking has issues and doubts about their own sexuality in my opinion.

 

[D_Harry_Crax]

Do some gyms really have to have signs saying that you can't fuck in the showers? I mean is it that big a turn on that you simply cannot restrain yourselves? I don't think it's asking that much...

No, the signs say you can't suck or jerk in the showers......

 

[Uncutpete]

Get real. Don't blame people who comment or even look. The problem is with our media-soaked, commercialized culture.

People have always checked each other out in clothes. People have always checked each other out naked. That is a fact of social life. The question is why do younger people feel so self-conscious about their naked bodies. I think it has partly to do with the fact that all of American body life has been turned into fodder for media and sales. Some people who are victims of this culture feel that they don't come up to the ideal Abercrombie model body, or that their cock size is not "big" like everyone on every show says is so important. As men are more and more sexualized in advertising and television, like women are, boys also feel more like sex objects.

When I was in college, all men swam naked by regulation. And that was everyone because we all had to pass a strict swimming test. Changing rooms everywhere were open as were all showers in every gym and public pool. There were guys who checked other guys out, there were erections, there was some teasing when we were younger. (I got it because I had my foreskin), but it was all part of life and almost everyone just changed and showered and got on with it.

Later, many of us went to nude beaches, which fairly numerous on both coasts and some lakes and rivers. There was a bit of looking and sexuality but it was easy going and easily avoided if you wanted to. Now the stress of the commercial world has entered the locker room and forced us all to compare, and be sexualized, even when we don't want to.

 

[D_Thyrnebeck Wrinklebeast]

Having spent a good deal of my life living in Japan, communal bathing is as normal to me as is breathing. It is such a good time to be social. There should be more of it in the West.