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I lived outside of the country for 10 years. A man I knew cheated several times on his wife. His wife found out, perhaps not every time, but at least a few of the times. The economic situation of the family was such that she and the children were totally dependent on him and, except for the cheating, he was a good husband. So far as I know, the wife, even though the cheating greatly disturbed her and affected the children, never considered leaving him although she did what she could to stop the cheating. In that country, such behavior is common and many women don't even expect their husbands to be faithful.

It seems to me that it is the responsibility of the wife to decide how to deal with a cheating husband. A woman in that situation many have many factors to consider and, unless there is intolerable abuse, it is inappropriate for anyone to tell her what to do, although it may be appropriate to suggest options IF ASKED. Not every woman would handle the situation in the same way.

As for cheating just once, I see forgiveness as appropriate. After that, not necessarily.

So strange. We have a good friend whose father passed away a couple of years back. They were somewhat estranged, though. The father was a rogue of the worst sort. He had more than a couple of mistresses all known by his wife. His wife had more than a couple of consorts, too. They rarely went anywhere together and they both had escorts when they went separately. It was well-known that he stepped out, so to speak, but less well known that she liked the young guys.

However, they were very wealthy and both comfortable with the lifestyle. Their home was a mansion and they kept separate lives even there. The daughter, our friend, didn't speak with either of them, and still isn't close to her mother. That makes me so sad to know. If I didn't have my Mum to talk to I'd be lost.
 

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I think what some people don't realise is when someone cheats on you or abuses you. You may not always have a choice to leave. It always seems so simple for those on the outside looking in. There is always more to every situation than meets the eye.
 

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Ellie, go to court. The money is for your children; he should support them. You should not let him off the hook, at their expense. Put your state or a private service on his case. You may be fortunate to be with a new man who accepts those responsibilities; but that is still no excuse. Sorry to sound harsh.
what the kids need more than a few £ a month is a happy, stable mother.
if court is going to cause stress and disruption to her and her family then maybe dropping it is the right choice for her.

whatever, nobody has the right to make that call but her.
she knows what's best.
 

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I was recently cheated on by a guy I was totally in love with. I witnessed it happening and I cracked.

I was absolutely devastated. ComPLETELY heart broken with suicidal thoughts over that fuckhead. :(

I think that if you cheat on someone, you should never...ever...be trusted with someone's heart again.

He was the only reason I hadn't moved to california. That was all it took and I moved. Best thing I ever did for myself. Only been here for 3 months but I LOVE it. It still hurts like crazy but there is plenty here to keep my mind occupied.
 

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Dolfie, it is her call. But that is how men escape their responsibility. If there is a court ordered support payment, then he is in violation of the law. That is why I said to put the state on his case. If the authorities don't know he is in violation, they can't prosecute. The state can garnish wages and he has no choice. Private services can force collection for a percentage. All she needs to do is inform the courts. I am not judging Ellie. I am judging the father who is a jerk.
 

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I totally agree with you. Ultimatums are just threats to me. A relationship's fidelity is based on love and trust not threats of ending things...to me, it's what helps make a relationship unhealthy, leads to lying and a "I don't want to get caught for this" mentality...all ultimatums do is cause the lines of communication to close up.

I've seen so many people be in relationships that revolve around so many lies and little communication...and that's no way to live for your health or the relationship's health.

I'd rather "rock the boat" and communicate openly than live with a someone and still be lonely and alone with a man I barely know or talk to. I've done that before with someone who wouldn't talk to me openly because he was brought up to avoid confrontation, it was a horrible way to live, I'd never go back to it.

To me cheating is a symptom of a deeper problem in the relationship, if it's not just a teenager who's misguided like in your situation. Either the relationship has a rocky foundation, the person is comfortable but too afraid to leave the relationship that is already long gone, whatever the reason...it's about the deception and lying that bother me the most.

I see a lot of people staying in relationships out of fear and comfort...they get this idea they don't want to be alone, so instead of being single and "alone" they'd rather have someone and stay in an essentially "dead" relationship. They don't want to leave their current relationship because they're comfortable in the relationship even though they're not happy. They might care about the person they're with but there's no love there anymore. They basically are more lonely than if they were single because they can't be out there finding someone to truly be happy with. They end up rationalizing their behavior as "this is just the way it is..." or "who I am" etc. It doesn't do that person or the person they're with any good. It just leads to more lying, deception, loneliness and puts you deeper into a feeling of not wanting to leave the relationship you're in for fear of being "alone"...whether it's consciously realized or not.

I've seen so many friends in relationships like that...and it's sad and infuriating at the same time to see them feel so helpless and unhappy. What they don't understand is their fear of being alone is irrational...they already are alone romantically and they just don't see it that way.

i know 5 women in that situation right now.the excuses that they and the men they are with make up to stay together is crazy! they don't even sleep in the same room! it makes me so mad that i either walk away from them, or hang up the phone on them when they call me.
 

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PrincessTasha and SubmissiveGirl83, I'm so sorry that both of you went through things like that! Thank you for sharing your experiences. It can't be easy writing about them publicly like this.

EllieP, I don't think I would have taken him back either!

I totally agree with you. Ultimatums are just threats to me. A relationship's fidelity is based on love and trust not threats of ending things...to me, it's what helps make a relationship unhealthy, leads to lying and a "I don't want to get caught for this" mentality...all ultimatums do is cause the lines of communication to close up.

I've seen so many people be in relationships that revolve around so many lies and little communication...and that's no way to live for your health or the relationship's health.

I'd rather "rock the boat" and communicate openly than live with a someone and still be lonely and alone with a man I barely know or talk to. I've done that before with someone who wouldn't talk to me openly because he was brought up to avoid confrontation, it was a horrible way to live, I'd never go back to it.

I don't believe that someone who once cheated would do it again. That's like saying that someone who once did anything immoral is bound to do it again, or that someone who has never cheated before never will. Neither are true. My first love still feels so guilty over having hurt me, the last time he apologized to me over it was a few weeks before Christmas, 2009. It's been about two decades, and he still hasn't forgiven himself even though I forgave him a very long time ago.

There are many reasons why someone might cheat. How I would react would have to depend on the man, my relationship with him, and the circumstances of the cheating.

As far as saying, "If you cheat on me, it's over" that's the same thing as saying, "If you really love me and you don't want to lose me, make sure that I never find out that you cheated on me." You're setting yourself up for a situation where the more your partner fears losing you, the less likely it will be that you will ever learn that he/she has cheated on you!

When I said that my health depends on learning about cheating, I was talking about STDs. If he's too afraid to tell me that he's cheated, to use a condom when we have sex with one another, to tell me that he needs to get tested, and I might need to get tested, then I've created a scenario in which I've just put my own health in danger.

I would have also created a scenario where we won't be working on whatever issues need to be worked on in our relationship that led to the cheating, and I won't have the option of choosing to stay with him and work it out, or decide to separate. I won't be able to choose anything because I made that ultimatum.
 
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PrincessTasha and SubmissiveGirl83, I'm so sorry that both of you went through things like that! Thank you for sharing your experiences. It can't be easy writing about them publicly like this.

EllieP, I don't think I would have taken him back either!



I don't believe that someone who once cheated would do it again. That's like saying that someone who once did anything immoral is bound to do it again, or that someone who has never cheated before never will. Neither are true. My first love still feels so guilty over having hurt me, the last time he apologized to me over it was a few weeks before Christmas, 2009. It's been about two decades, and he still hasn't forgiven himself even though I forgave him a very long time ago.

There are many reasons why someone might cheat. How I would react would have to depend on the man, my relationship with him, and the circumstances of the cheating.

As far as saying, "If you cheat on me, it's over" that's the same thing as saying, "If you really love me and you don't want to lose me, make sure that I never find out that you cheated on me." You're setting yourself up for a situation where the more your partner fears losing you, the less likely it will be that you will ever learn that he/she has cheated on you!

When I said that my health depends on learning about cheating, I was talking about STDs. If he's too afraid to tell me that he's cheated, to use a condom when we have sex with one another, to tell me that he needs to get tested, and I might need to get tested, then I've created a scenario in which I've just put my own health in danger.

I would have also created a scenario where we won't be working on whatever issues need to be worked on in our relationship that led to the cheating, and I won't have the option of choosing to stay with him and work it out, or decide to separate. I won't be able to choose anything because I made that ultimatum.

While you make a very good point, I have to say that stealing something from a corporation...while immoral...is far different than emotionally scarring the person you are supposedly in love with. Finding out that someone stole a bike from you is not something to cry about...but seeing the guy I wanted to have my babies fucking someone else was incredibly traumatizing. I could never look at him the same. He disgusts me now.

I am now afraid that it will happen again. I distrust guys now. I don't know if I'll ever be able to give all my heart to anyone now.

I think even joining this site is subconsciously a way for me to heal and see that there are "better" men and that he wasn't good enough for me. :( I need to get out of this thread.
 
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Ahh Petite,i'm ok to talk about it now though i missed out the really violent parts of it and the mind games and the things he said to my kids about me.

He even stole my sons savings from his room when my son was in HDU after being knocked down and left crippled.That is the sort of C my ex is.

I always say 'what goes around,comes around' and it's true.He got his just desserts eventually...........sat in a bedsit like a hermit with nobody to give a S about him.
 

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While you make a very good point, I have to say that stealing something from a corporation...while immoral...is far different than emotionally scarring the person you are supposedly in love with. Finding out that someone stole a bike from you is not something to cry about...but seeing the guy I wanted to have my babies fucking someone else was incredibly traumatizing. I could never look at him the same. He disgusts me now.

Oh, it's phenomenally painful! One of the most painful experiences of my entire life.

Like I said, though, I can't generalize from one person's experience to another person's experience. They're all different.

Part of the reason why I was able to forgive him and take him back was how guilty and horrible he felt about himself. He was self-flagellating and very sorry and deeply guilty over having hurt me. He did not take my pain lightly. We were apart long enough that I felt sure that his feelings were sincere, both his love for me and his feelings about himself, about his regrets and guilt over his cheating behavior, that I felt confident about taking him back. I was sure that he would never do it to me again. I wasn't wrong about him, but that relationship and that man was different from any other one I've ever had. They've all been very different, every man, every relationship I've ever had. A different man and a different relationship and I would have done something different.
 

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I don't advocate cheating under any circumstances but it's not always a clear cut black and white affair. In the case of a single instance of cheating, depending on the circumstances, I think the possibilities of understanding and forgiveness can and should be considered.

I've seen firsthand the damage that cheating can do to people, the first guy I dated was left a broken and emotional wreck after his fiancée cheated on him multiple times. She eventually dumped him and informed him of yet more cheating in a truly hideous and very public way that damaged him even further.
Even while we were dating, his continuing love for her and the despair he felt over the situation was evident. He kept photo albums containing only pictures of her and him all over his house, would show me them frequently and tell me about the future he planned and wanted with her. Then he'd leave the room to cry whilst I sat there staring at their frozen history, not knowing what the fuck to do or say.

She was such a charming girl. She deliberately kept in contact with him, always phoning up with a question or quirky comment, leaving cute little messages on his answering machine with references to things they'd done in the past. She'd also find out from his friends if we were going out and would just happen to be in the same place. She once did that whilst we were out clubbing, literally grabbed him on the dance floor and started slutting all over him.
Best part was that she didn't know who I was, so when she marched into the toilets later with a gang of her friends, declaring loudly "he's got a new girl, if I find her, I'll fuck her up" it was a genuine pleasure to introduce myself. I don't do violence but I'm damn good at threatening to.
She left him alone for several months after that but it was clear that he didn't want to move on, the spaces he'd made for her in his life and heart were never going to be filled by anyone else. I tried my best to help him but at that time I was very young and totally unequipped to deal with someone so determined to bury himself in a past he couldn't return to and a future he couldn't have.
So we broke up and I thought to myself, if anyone ever cheats on me - it's over.

Easy to think that, not so easy when it actually happened.

I met a guy through an internet community and set of chat rooms I frequented, he lived up the country from me and hadn't had a girlfriend before. The first year and a half of the relationship was long distance, maintained through phone calls, internet chatting and two visits.
At the time I was working for the ISP who provided the chat service and he was studying at University, we were both online a lot and part of a large group of internet friends/people/associates who would chat, do quizzes and behave in an extremely silly fashion in the evenings.
It was a close knit group and there were a few oddball outsiders who'd drift in and out, also some real nutcases of the type made popular in the media "internet psycho" warning stories.
One of the drifters was a girl with a reputation for cybering anything that had a remotely male nickname, sometimes very publicly.
The guy I was dating was extremely extroverted and comical online, the complete opposite of how he was in real life, that particular girl was very predatory and drawn to his online persona. Even though she knew we were dating, that we'd met in real life and had plans together, she pursued him at full force. Outrageous flirting, dirty talking, begging him to cyber her and to meet her.

All of the above, she did in the main chat room where everyone could see. I thought if she was that open about it, there wasn't any serious danger. That she was role-playing for attention and fun, really didn't think she'd be like that in real life.
A few mutual friends started to make comments about her behaviour and his responses to her, a couple of my closer friends said I should be worried and I didn't listen, didn't think I had a need to and even had a go at them for saying that kind of thing about someone I trusted.
To this day, I've never known if he wanted to get caught or if he was just fucking stupid. I suspect the latter as he obviously intended to reply to one of her emails and sent it to me instead, included was a really interesting set of pictures and all the previous email history with explicit details. From that point it was easy to work out dates and times, note all the inconsistencies and find the lies.

I was devastated and confused. Ashamed because I felt like it was my fault, I blamed myself and I cried my fucking heart out before I got properly furious. Then I felt confused again and considered the options. Most of all I wanted to know and understand why he'd done it and how it had come to that when things had seemed to be going fine.
If I'd have ended the relationship right then without talking, aside from the betrayal of trust, the not knowing why would have been the worst thing for me.

So we talked and talked, with crying on both ends of the phone. As I listened and thought about things, I could understand why he'd done it. It didn't excuse it and he had the grace at least, not to try to.

Time apart, physical loneliness, sheer distance, never having had a girlfriend before so never having had anyone or anything to compare current feelings or physical reactions to, uncertain about commitment, unsure of timing, about the future, wanting the chance to experience variety and experiment before settling down, wanting something free and easy that required no maintenance or work, wanting a casual encounter for the chance to have fucked more than one woman in a lifetime, wanting to feel attractive and desired, wanting to feel eligible/available and not limited in options or choices, thinking too much, not really thinking, the appeal of a beautiful woman (whatever I think of her, I saw pictures and she was physically stunning), pride, ego, machismo, lust...

Many, many reasons, there were more I haven't listed and am not going to because they're extremely personal. So yeah, I could put myself in his shoes, empathise and understand why he did what he did. It was a mistake and people make them. As long as something is learned and the mistake isn't repeated, it's possible to move on from it.

If I'd have been aware of how he felt at the time, I would have told him that we needed to take a break from the relationship. I have no problem with someone wanting to live life for themselves when they've not had the opportunity to do it until that point. I'd rather someone be as certain as is possible, with as much experience as is possible to make a choice wisely than to rush into something with unvoiced doubt and uncertainty that can later lead to much worse things happening than breaking up for a while so that when it comes down to wanting something, you know damn well that you want it and will stay with it and you're not going to regret agreeing to have a monogamous relationship with it, get engaged to it then give into temptation when it emails naked pictures of itself to you.


That guy and I broke up a long time ago. We didn't work out for a lot of reasons but the incident of cheating wasn't one of them. I firmly believe that if you're going to forgive someone, it has to be done properly, you don't store a mistake for ammunition the next time you're pissed, you let it go and it stays gone.

Odd to look back and find it almost amusing now, especially the girl. She plowed through the other men in that community like a combine harvester until they started talking amongst themselves and realised they shared some common symptoms. At least three of them were married, two no longer are. Karma can be such a bitch.
I've had the dubious pleasure of having predatory female friends before and they're a very interesting breed but akin to Wolverines. Kinda fun to watch from distance but if they get close to you or those you care about, hit them with a bloody big stick.

So from personal experience, I can see why cheating sometimes happens, that it's something you can move forwards from and how damn important good communication is in a relationship. I can also see the occasions where it's inexcusable, completely unacceptable, unforgivable and hideously wrong.
Giving someone a chance isn't such a bad thing to do, giving someone multiple chances is. Unless you're in a relationship or marriage of convenience where both parties know and don't give a shit, so it's vaguely OK.

And in the case of domestic abuse and violence against both men and women, there is never an occasion where that is acceptable. Ever. Though I'm fully aware that it's easy for me to say that on principle as it's very different for the people who are trapped into being victims of it.
 
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Keleios, a thoughtful and well-written post as usual!

Ahh Petite,i'm ok to talk about it now though i missed out the really violent parts of it and the mind games and the things he said to my kids about me.

He even stole my sons savings from his room when my son was in HDU after being knocked down and left crippled.That is the sort of C my ex is.

I always say 'what goes around,comes around' and it's true.He got his just desserts eventually...........sat in a bedsit like a hermit with nobody to give a S about him.

That's terrible! I'm not surprised that karma got him eventually. He sounded like he burnt plenty of bridges and made few friends.

Well congrats, petite. I wish you both the very best in moving forward. Hopefully I can too...with someone else. :)

You'll find someone who treats you the way that you deserve to be treated.
 

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I just read all the responses and while I can quote so many people and give little remarks, I will just thank everyone for sharing their stories, especially the tragic ones. It really does help my situation. The girl I was in a relationship with decided to go back to her ex who has cheated on her and got caught multiple times, after lying to her face about it when she suspected it. Of course she believed him until she found evidence. As for the abuse, her broke her wrist while she was pregnant with twins, from him, of course. Well, she eventually left him and was with me for awhile. But he was able to talk her back, convincing her that he's changed. Meanwhile, only 3 weeks earlier, he had called her sister demanding to know her phone number, threatening to kill her sister's husband if he didn't get the information he wanted.

It's been a month since she left me and up until now I've been taking it out on myself, thinking "How bad can I be if a cheater and abuser gets picked over me?" But now I see that she has a serious issue with self-respect. As much as I still want to be the one she calls a boyfriend so she can be with someone safe; I realize that I did nothing wrong in the relationship. Yes, it's unfair and that hurts, but at least now I can see that what I lost was someone with, like I say, a lack of self respect. Not someone I'd want to deal with.

So, thanks again for all the responses, it's much appreciated!
 

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I just read all the responses and while I can quote so many people and give little remarks, I will just thank everyone for sharing their stories, especially the tragic ones. It really does help my situation. The girl I was in a relationship with decided to go back to her ex who has cheated on her and got caught multiple times, after lying to her face about it when she suspected it. Of course she believed him until she found evidence. As for the abuse, her broke her wrist while she was pregnant with twins, from him, of course. Well, she eventually left him and was with me for awhile. But he was able to talk her back, convincing her that he's changed. Meanwhile, only 3 weeks earlier, he had called her sister demanding to know her phone number, threatening to kill her sister's husband if he didn't get the information he wanted.

It's been a month since she left me and up until now I've been taking it out on myself, thinking "How bad can I be if a cheater and abuser gets picked over me?" But now I see that she has a serious issue with self-respect. As much as I still want to be the one she calls a boyfriend so she can be with someone safe; I realize that I did nothing wrong in the relationship. Yes, it's unfair and that hurts, but at least now I can see that what I lost was someone with, like I say, a lack of self respect. Not someone I'd want to deal with.

So, thanks again for all the responses, it's much appreciated!

It takes more than one try for most women to leave an abuser for good. It would be good of you to show you care for her by not turning your back on her if she needs you because you feel hurt now. It isn't easy. Many women don't leave because they don't have anyone to turn to. You should decide to be there for her when she decides to leave him. She'll need support.

If he's the father of her children, it probably makes it harder for her. She doesn't just have a relationship with him, she has a neurological bond with him that makes her feel a great loyalty. Pregnancy, childbirth, and breastfeeding cause the release of neurotransmitters such as oxytocin that make her trust him and create a strong loyalty. That has nothing to do with you.
 

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I just read all the responses and while I can quote so many people and give little remarks, I will just thank everyone for sharing their stories, especially the tragic ones. It really does help my situation. The girl I was in a relationship with decided to go back to her ex who has cheated on her and got caught multiple times, after lying to her face about it when she suspected it. Of course she believed him until she found evidence. As for the abuse, her broke her wrist while she was pregnant with twins, from him, of course. Well, she eventually left him and was with me for awhile. But he was able to talk her back, convincing her that he's changed. Meanwhile, only 3 weeks earlier, he had called her sister demanding to know her phone number, threatening to kill her sister's husband if he didn't get the information he wanted.

It's been a month since she left me and up until now I've been taking it out on myself, thinking "How bad can I be if a cheater and abuser gets picked over me?" But now I see that she has a serious issue with self-respect. As much as I still want to be the one she calls a boyfriend so she can be with someone safe; I realize that I did nothing wrong in the relationship. Yes, it's unfair and that hurts, but at least now I can see that what I lost was someone with, like I say, a lack of self respect. Not someone I'd want to deal with.

So, thanks again for all the responses, it's much appreciated!

It's not only the lack of self respect for herself but the fact that when someone has endured the mindgames,being forced to believe she/he isnt worth having someone nice and kind and caring they tend to believe it.

Feeling mentally weak and 'ground down' and thinking "F it,this is the life i am stuck with so i had best get on with it" is the way that alot who are abused think.I know i did but it took some very drastic (which i am not divulging on here as its way too personal) to make me escape that sh*ttened life,well it wasnt a life,just an existance really.

One day,hopefully when it isnt too late,she will realise that she is worth more than what she has got.Of course by then you may have moved on and found someone to love and settle down with but there will be someone else decent for her.Though she will need 'me time' to work through all the traumas,possibly through professional help.
 
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I read the original post and felt 'I can't get a girl, and yet there's all these women who have partners who cheat, and they prefer those men to me!'. I might have been wrong, but that's the feeling I got.

I have cheated, and my wife knows and isn't particularly fussed. When I pressed her about this a little, she replied that she thought that's the sort of man I am. Which was another way of saying that's why she was attracted to me, why we got married, and why we're together. It's a 'nice guys finish last' thing. But I don't do abuse, quite the opposite, which is main reason why we're together.

For those who haven't cheated, it is possible to have a long-term affair and it doesn't have any affect on either relationship at all. You can love someone, and you can love someone else, and you have enough love for both. It's not either one or the other, or possession, it's additive. It's not even indicative of relationship problems! It's just the way we are, or some of us are.

Stats vary from survey to survey, but for long-term relationships the percentages are around 40% of men and about 30% of women. That's an awful lot of individuals, and even more relationships.
 

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I just read all the responses and while I can quote so many people and give little remarks, I will just thank everyone for sharing their stories, especially the tragic ones. It really does help my situation. The girl I was in a relationship with decided to go back to her ex who has cheated on her and got caught multiple times, after lying to her face about it when she suspected it. Of course she believed him until she found evidence. As for the abuse, her broke her wrist while she was pregnant with twins, from him, of course. Well, she eventually left him and was with me for awhile. But he was able to talk her back, convincing her that he's changed. Meanwhile, only 3 weeks earlier, he had called her sister demanding to know her phone number, threatening to kill her sister's husband if he didn't get the information he wanted.

It's been a month since she left me and up until now I've been taking it out on myself, thinking "How bad can I be if a cheater and abuser gets picked over me?" But now I see that she has a serious issue with self-respect. As much as I still want to be the one she calls a boyfriend so she can be with someone safe; I realize that I did nothing wrong in the relationship. Yes, it's unfair and that hurts, but at least now I can see that what I lost was someone with, like I say, a lack of self respect. Not someone I'd want to deal with.

So, thanks again for all the responses, it's much appreciated!

I hate to say this because it's not your responsibility, but maybe one day she's going to want to leave him and she might turn to you. It's hard to explain the way an abuser makes you feel. Like your worthless, beneath their feet, pitiful, small, helpless. And even if you feel self confident at one time they change that. They make you feel as though no one else would want you that this is how everyone is going to treat you because that's what you deserve. And what a lot of people don't understand is that once they established themselves in yourlife and make you rely in them, they have you. I was definately a "it will never happen to me" person. And I'm sure she never told you half of what he did to her. I'm sure she's scared of him and thinks you'll leave her and she'll be alone.

That he will come and get her... or hurt you. I lived in fear of telling my father because I knew he would help me and I was so scared for him. And it took two very good friends to get me out of the situation, you need someone to lean on if you really want to escape. I can't imagine being in the situation of being married and having children with someone like that. I was lucky that I was able to get out of the situation before it got worse and when in month's of the first time. It did change me and it's doesn't mean she's weak or half of a person. She's doing what she feels is best, which I hate. If I could come help her I would, but I can't, you can. Just be her friend.
 

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i don't do forgiveness.
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But what if he comes clean? What if he feels so bad, that he comes clean? what if he feels so bad that you can see he is feeling like shit?
I`m just asking, because I dont support cheating, and I would never take a cheater back....but I kinda started thinking about it...