Are you kidding?
Let me share a story with you, Phil. A [close friend] of mine works for the DOD - anti-terror unit. Their small unit, located in the Midwest, has apprehended hundreds of terror cells in the last 7 years. Their best means of intelligence - 'pulling trash.' When they have a suspect, they pull the trash on garbage night and replace the trash with a dummy bag of trash.
Total utter, and unrelenting BULLSHIT, Star.
Not true. not one word of it.
Easy to SAY... but because there are no rules of evidence... no trials, and court, its all just crap people SAY to justify their actions.
IN FACT, only a HANDFUL of terror cells have been "uncovered". Ony a few actually tried.
ONLY 1 convicted, and that conviction was overturned and the 'terrorists' released- BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT that convicted them.!
EVERY SINGLE "TERROR PLOT" the Bush Admisnitration has CLAIMED was unconvered has turned out to be utter bullshit. Exaggeration and lies.
The only REAL terror plot to REALLY be thwarted was the one thwarted by BRITISH intelligence and police, who DO NOT use torture, and who DID try their suspects in open court without denying them rights to attorneys.
What do they find? Intricate drawings of explosives, phone numbers of financiers, bank statements, plans, names, about everything. Ya know how old these people are? Between 18 and 23. Kids. Goddamn kids.
BULLSHIT.. the most famous and best supported case was the Detroit terror cell case.
The "drawing" of supposedly US installations? examined by multiple experts they are UNIDENTIFIABLE as anything whatsoever. Scribbles that US 'terror experts" CLAIM to be something they are obviously not.
ANd- BTW , it was the Detroit terror cell that Ashcroft LET GO because the Bush administration wanted to destroy the career of the republican prosecuter, MORE than they wanted terrorists in jail.
WHY? Because he COMPLIED with a senate subpoena to testify in DEFENSE of the justice department, when he was TOLD to NOT comply ( which is a crime)
One kid, when verbally threatened with life in jail literally shit and pissed his pants and gave up his entire cell.
Really? Some kid shit himself when he was threatened with JAIL!!!!- Sounds like a case hardened
martyr to me.....
Bullshit... terrorists do not shit themselves when threatende with JAIL- they are willing to blow themselves up fer Christ sake.
Sounds tome like some really harsh techniques elicited the Kid to say ANYTHING fucking thing that they wanted to hear...
THAT is why the police are not allowed to interrogate you in this fashion, Star... because it elicits false confessions from innocent people... and REAL criminals are not impressed and won't give up nothing.
And its why BUSH and CHeney do NOT want lawyers to have access to detainees and why they have denied them due process.
MOST detainees have NEVER been told what the evidence against them is, and those who HAVE gotten lawyers... Their LAWYERS are not allwoed to see the evidence agasint them...
Know why? Because their ISN'T any fucking evidence against them, that's why.
Some kid... I swear, you are such a tool of propaganda... wake UP.
If there were evidence, there would be TRIALS... in real courts.... with evidence..
y'know the kind of evidence that convicted the original WTC bombers?
What if he hadn't been subjected to an interrogation, and had Robert Shapiro there keeping him quiet? What would his cell have done...bombed Wrigley Field and killed 70,000 people?
OOOHHH I am so frightened of the
make believe enemy committing
make believe attacks that I will gladly forego any ACTUAL evidence of guilt! We need no real proof! Someone SAID that somene told them that this might have happened...
Please... not one serious plot discovered by US interrogation. Trust me, if they had, they would have
Crowed about it it as loudly as they have about the FEW plots that cursory investigation shows to have been bullshit.
FACT IS you get BETTER intel by NOT torturing people. The units that did not torture got MORE information and better quality information than those that tortured and mistreated prisoners.
Ah, in the interests of national security some things happen that you don't want to hear about. Its probably better that way.
I know libs don't want to hear that, but you don't protect national security with holiday cards. Sorry, politically correct doesn't work in this arena.
Spoken like a true fascist.
Government security forces acting in secret without oversight or accountability because the public can't handle the truth....
Fuck that shit. That is NOT the United States of America. This is an OPEN Govenrment run by LAW, not fiat and secret tribunal say so.
If a person is guilty then there is EVIDENCE demonstrating that fact.
SHOW the fucking evidence.
People like you don't deserve to live in a free society, because you do not support the principles that underlie freedom.
Sorry... but your friend in the DOD is a fucking liar.
I KNOW he's a fucking liar because he CAN NOT SHOW EVIDENCE.
Here's a hint on how to spot a fascist... he the dumb fuck CLAIMING that he has evidence condemning someone , but that he can not SHOW you that evidence for reasons of 'security'.
When those with the power of THUMBSCREW tell the people that showing them the proof of the prisoners guilt will make them less 'safe'...
That ALWAYS means they have no such proof.