Cheney Spills His Guts

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This is good. The man has no class and doesn't know when to shut-up. It's worth reading the entire article. Cheney's book should be good and I'm hoping to read it if I can find a way to do so without putting a royalty in his pocket.

In his first few months after leaving office, former vice president Richard B. Cheney threw himself into public combat against the "far left" agenda of the new commander in chief. More private reflections, as his memoir takes shape in slashing longhand on legal pads, have opened a second front against Cheney's White House partner of eight years, George W. Bush.

Cheney's disappointment with the former president surfaced recently in one of the informal conversations he is holding to discuss the book with authors, diplomats, policy experts and past colleagues. By habit, he listens more than he talks, but Cheney broke form when asked about his regrets. -The Washington Post
 
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This is good. The man has no class and doesn't know when to shut-up. It's worth reading the entire article. Cheney's book should be good and I'm hoping to read it if I can find a way to do so without putting a royalty in his pocket.
I believe he speaks very highly of you though!!
 

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The man has no class and doesn't know when to shut-up. It's worth reading the entire article. Cheney's book should be good and I'm hoping to read it if I can find a way to do so without putting a royalty in his pocket.

<sarcasm>I feel for him.</sarcasm>:rolleyes:

Cry a river, Dickie Boy. Cry a river.



 

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He is just pissed because he could not get his butt boy Scooter a full pardon and that baffles me , his butt boy W. usually did what he was told to do. This will sell books to the left though.
 

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......... Dick Cheney's one scary entity. George Bush is, quite simply, not awfully bright. When Cheney's daughter Mary was on Letterman speaking of her father's view on gay marriage versus Bush's she was very eloquent. Yet all the while she supported the then-administration's decision to go to war against Iraq.

I've always found it remarkable how one's beliefs change according to what they've personally experienced.

Nick8 said:
I know, right? I don't want to enrich that asshole by one penny but I still want to know what goes on in that evil mind.

Hear hear ...now there's the rub!
 
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Cheney's guts spilled is a thing I wouldn't mind seeing.

As for his memoirs... I think I just threw up a bit in my mouth.
 

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At least we know Libby took the fall for Cheney and Cheney was pissed that Bush didn't pardon Libby. Interesting to know that he times his memoir release when the expiration of the statute of limitation. This guy makes Nixon look like a Saint.
 

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He's a very impressive human being who went down a few wrong paths and got walled into the momentum of his own folly. Good motives in many ways, but a very narrow range of positive values animating him.
He will be seen as a much more tragic figure than Dubya, who should never have become president.
I think the book will probably show enormous stubbornness of viewpoint and no small degree of self-deception.
But I'm sure it will be a very good read.
 

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Looks like many of the rumors are true. I'd like to read this book, but like so many others here, I don't want to buy it. I'll download the eBook.

I find it ineresting that he was frustrated when he started to lose his grip on Bush in his second term. Should a VP really have that kind of control over the President? Should the President ever have to rely on their advisors as much as Bush did? I guess that Bush, being a moron, had no choice; Cheney is a smart cookie.
 

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At least we know Libby took the fall for Cheney and Cheney was pissed that Bush didn't pardon Libby. Interesting to know that he times his memoir release when the expiration of the statute of limitation. This guy makes Nixon look like a Saint.

There really isn't a legal statute of limitations. It's a euphemism in the context of the article. I find it obscene that Cheney has complained for ages about tell-all memoirs that divulge private information and now decides to do the same. The man's a hypocritical megalomaniac, angry that he's not above the law.
 

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He's a very impressive human being who went down a few wrong paths and got walled into the momentum of his own folly. Good motives in many ways, but a very narrow range of positive values animating him.
He will be seen as a much more tragic figure than Dubya, who should never have become president.
I think the book will probably show enormous stubbornness of viewpoint and no small degree of self-deception.
But I'm sure it will be a very good read.

"Tragic," implies a moral need to apply sympathy. I don't have that here. The man circumvented law and unjustly killed others while harming the reputation of this country and spilling the blood of its youth. He's a shit. The only tragedy is that we elected him twice. I hope to heaven he's haunted for the rest of his days.
 

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Looks like many of the rumors are true. I'd like to read this book, but like so many others here, I don't want to buy it. I'll download the eBook.

I find it ineresting that he was frustrated when he started to lose his grip on Bush in his second term. Should a VP really have that kind of control over the President? Should the President ever have to rely on their advisors as much as Bush did? I guess that Bush, being a moron, had no choice; Cheney is a smart cookie.

Quite a few presidents have had to rely on advisers. After Wilson's stroke, his wife essentially ran the Cabinet. When Reagan began to lose his marbles, he too had to rely on advisers and he was already a heavy delegater.

I think that a president can be free to rely on advisers. It really is impossible for a president to know everything required of every situation that he's responsible for. The president must rely on advisers. What a president cannot rely on them for is internal guidance and direction. This is where Bush made terrible mistakes. He was handled from the very beginning of his career, being told to listen to others and do what they say. He had no inner compass of his own until late in his administration when he realized that the country would blame him for all the failures of his underlings. Maybe he came across Truman's, "The Buck Stops Here," plaque in a closet. Whatever happened, I think it began to dawn on Bush that he was Cheney's pawn and history never remembers vice presidents. Cheney would skate and Bush's legacy would be marred forever. It was only then that Bush began to put his foot down, openly defying Cheney (who couldn't resist backbiting and bitching) and feel his oats by denying Libby a pardon, though by then it was way too late.
 

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"Tragic," implies a moral need to apply sympathy. I don't have that here. The man circumvented law and unjustly killed others while harming the reputation of this country and spilling the blood of its youth. He's a shit. The only tragedy is that we elected him twice. I hope to heaven he's haunted for the rest of his days.

Well, he was too much of a true believer and it greatly narrowed his peripheral vision.

He couldn't see that his subversion of American values to protect America did the work of the nation's opponents with an efficiency they could never hope to equal.

Was he a shit? Perhaps.

But I think what he mostly was, was a demonstration of the self-deluding effects of over-coagulated belief.

He thought he, nearly alone, really saw where the national interest lay.

So you take a man of considerable gifts, with a mission (in his eyes) of impeccable virtue, add an inadequate and manipulable president, a fair amount of bad luck, some blinding arrogance, and you get ... in my opinion, on any reasonable scale, a tragedy.

But I don't ask anyone to agree.

Your view differs from mine but it makes perfect sense.
 

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Well, he was too much of a true believer and it greatly narrowed his peripheral vision.

He couldn't see that his subversion of American values to protect America did the work of the nation's opponents with an efficiency they could never hope to equal.

Was he a shit? Perhaps.

But I think what he mostly was, was a demonstration of the self-deluding effects of over-coagulated belief.

He thought he, nearly alone, really saw where the national interest lay.

So you take a man of considerable gifts, with a mission (in his eyes) of impeccable virtue, add an inadequate and manipulable president, a fair amount of bad luck, some blinding arrogance, and you get ... in my opinion, on any reasonable scale, a tragedy.

But I don't ask anyone to agree.

Your view differs from mine but it makes perfect sense.

I don't disagree with much of your summation at all and I think it's well put. But I think that much of what you say could also be applied to mega-maniacal dictators and, indeed, fanatical religious leaders as well.
 

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I don't disagree with much of your summation at all and I think it's well put. But I think that much of what you say could also be applied to mega-maniacal dictators and, indeed, fanatical religious leaders as well.

I'm sure.
But you're not saying he was, say, a Hitler, I hope.
And I think many of those people are tragic anyway.